Angrysk8r's Turbo 3400 Dyno

Shock24Z · 01-08-2008, 12:10 AM

Dyno:

I don't know what numbers the dyno guy was going buy but he said "it would make around 230 on a dyno jet" and "it should be putting around 280 at the crank" ... Call bs if you like, I didn't come up with those numbers... but the guy does own a dyno. Also, this pull was done in 2nd gear (to reduce stress on drivetrain) which i'm told makes less power than in 3rd. Feel free to use your own numbers and discuss why they're correct as I would like to hear discussion on it. Ricer excuses aside, this car is already faster than LOTS of grand am's will ever be, and was done so with just 1200$. I personally feel this feat should be noted by the rest of the community so people realize that there is some potential in a 3400 (without spending a lot).

angrysk8r · 01-08-2008, 12:27 AM

ha downshift fail!

but yea, the guy there said there is generally a 20% or so difference from the mustang dyno and the dynojet dyno that happened to be closed that day (apparently he's dyno'd several cars on both dynos and averaged it). Factor in that and then assume 80-85% drivetrain efficiency and I should have an estimated 280 ft/lbs torque and 250 hp at the flywheel. I may take it to the dynojet eventually and see what the difference is. low budget builds ftw!

update from dynojet pulls

AaronGTR · 01-08-2008, 05:19 AM

Nice numbers. Yeah, I've heard mustang dyno's typically are a little lower than dyno jets, but didn't think it was a 20% difference. Drivetrain loss is typically 18-20% so that's right. He should have dyno'd in third gear though. Drivetrain stress??? WTF is he talking about? It won't harm the drivetrain any more in third than it would in second, and third gear gives a longer pull for more resolution and accuracy, and is generally just easier to calculate since it's a 1:1 ratio. Next time have him dyno it in third.

xonelith · 01-08-2008, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

, and third gear gives a longer pull for more resolution and accuracy, and is generally just easier to calculate since it's a 1:1 ratio.

Agreed, but I do think it depends on your shift points. My initial dyno's were done in 3rd gear but WOW... it took forever to hit 6800 rpm. After comparing a few 3rd vs 2nd gear pulls, I only saw about a 1-2hp difference. 3rd is optimal and also allows you to see (easier) any possible fueling issues. I personally don't like 3rd due to the amount of time it takes to get to my desired rpm.

Gratz on the results! Very impressive for such a low budget!!

-xon

Bryan · 01-08-2008, 10:14 AM

Nice job man.

angrysk8r · 01-08-2008, 11:06 AM

Thanks for the advice, when I get a chance to go to the dynojet I'll definitely do a 3rd gear pull, I wasn't too sure about the drivetrain stress but I was running low on time and had to get to work so I took him at his word.

I guess that 20% difference between dynos is something he said he went and tested himself with a couple different vehicles. I honestly have no idea if that's accurate or not, although I did look around online and found that depending on the mustang dyno you should see anywhere from a 10-20% difference.

GTsuper · 01-08-2008, 12:01 PM

have u got 1/4 mile times

Shock24Z · 01-08-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GTsuper

have u got 1/4 mile times

No, and kearney is a long drive.

Rich · 01-08-2008, 01:04 PM

nice stuff. way to rep the SE's. looking forward to seeing what you run at the track.

SpyhunteR · 01-08-2008, 01:45 PM

tyte...... Can you get a scan of your ENTIRE dyno sheet by chance?

silvergtjrad · 01-08-2008, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpyhunteR

tyte...... Can you get a scan of your ENTIRE dyno sheet by chance?

bigstribs · 01-08-2008, 05:13 PM

nice

1200 thats not bad at all....if u dont mind me asking what all did u get for that?

SpyhunteR · 01-08-2008, 06:56 PM

I'm curious at what points you were going lean.

angrysk8r · 01-08-2008, 08:55 PM

I don't have a camera w/ me atm, but I was lean near the very beginning at 3200 rpm when I first started going wot, then the afr got more rich as the rpm's and boost went up. Basically just a way to battle the KR. Soon I may get a meth injection and do some wideband tuning so I can have a little more consistent afr, but as long as I'm running rich instead of lean I'm not too worried.

as for bigstrib's question, the 1200 accounts for basically everything in the build. The turbo, intercooler, intercooler piping, exhaust piping, flanges, oil lines, bov, injectors, etc. You can really get the most out of your money when you know how to weld and tune and do the entire build yourself.

Depending on if I have time I should be able to head to the dynojet thursday and do a few baseline runs. Another thing I noticed today when driving to work was that the coupler attached to the turbo was coming off and I've been leaking boost. I'm not sure if it started coming off when I was doing my dyno runs but I'll have that back on for the dynojet. I'll also try to remember to take the powrtuner and log the run so you guys can take a look at it.

Sprucegagt · 01-09-2008, 07:05 AM

Your actually running way to rich. 10:1 ratios don't help anything, in fact they will contribute to KR due to carbon buildup.

SpyhunteR · 01-09-2008, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprucegagt

Your actually running way to rich. 10:1 ratios don't help anything, in fact they will contribute to KR due to carbon buildup.

on ****ty pump gas I'd say 11.5:1 - 12.0:1 would be something to shoot for.

Shock24Z · 01-09-2008, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprucegagt

You're actually running way to rich. 10:1 ratios don't help anything, in fact they will contribute to KR due to carbon buildup.

Narrowband tuning FTL

WeibSunder · 01-09-2008, 11:24 PM

Damn...$1,200 for a 5hp increase. You could have gotten at LEAST a 20hp increase with a "Turbo" badge and a couple NOS stickers.

Vegeta · 01-10-2008, 02:17 AM

They dyno 140-145 stock, on mustang dynos anyway. Eddy current dynos are more consistant (I have seen .3 hp between runs MAX before). WHP is not Crank HP, or advertised HP.

I don't believe its 20% between mustang and dynojet. Well, not between the equipment anyway. The operator is another story. I would say your car needs some work to hit its full potential. That is about 10whp more power than an 11:1-11.5:1 3400 with 75mm TB, 3500 upper, .539 lift 230s duration cammed 3400 makes. Your paper looks identical to the ones I have scanned from the local speed shop.

angrysk8r · 01-10-2008, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeibSunder

Damn...$1,200 for a 5hp increase. You could have gotten at LEAST a 20hp increase with a "Turbo" badge and a couple NOS stickers.

fail

01-08-2008, 12:10 AM	#1
Shock24Z GAGT - Member AKA: Andy Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Lincoln, NE Age: 32 Posts: 371 Vehicle: 98 Grand Prix GTP	Angrysk8r's Turbo 3400 Dyno Dyno: I don't know what numbers the dyno guy was going buy but he said "it would make around 230 on a dyno jet" and "it should be putting around 280 at the crank" ... Call bs if you like, I didn't come up with those numbers... but the guy does own a dyno. Also, this pull was done in 2nd gear (to reduce stress on drivetrain) which i'm told makes less power than in 3rd. Feel free to use your own numbers and discuss why they're correct as I would like to hear discussion on it. Ricer excuses aside, this car is already faster than LOTS of grand am's will ever be, and was done so with just 1200$. I personally feel this feat should be noted by the rest of the community so people realize that there is some potential in a 3400 (without spending a lot).

01-08-2008, 12:27 AM	#2
angrysk8r GAGT - Member AKA: Luke Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lincoln NE Posts: 331 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	ha downshift fail! but yea, the guy there said there is generally a 20% or so difference from the mustang dyno and the dynojet dyno that happened to be closed that day (apparently he's dyno'd several cars on both dynos and averaged it). Factor in that and then assume 80-85% drivetrain efficiency and I should have an estimated 280 ft/lbs torque and 250 hp at the flywheel. I may take it to the dynojet eventually and see what the difference is. low budget builds ftw! update from dynojet pulls Last edited by angrysk8r; 01-13-2008 at 11:21 PM.

01-08-2008, 05:19 AM	#3
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	Nice numbers. Yeah, I've heard mustang dyno's typically are a little lower than dyno jets, but didn't think it was a 20% difference. Drivetrain loss is typically 18-20% so that's right. He should have dyno'd in third gear though. Drivetrain stress??? WTF is he talking about? It won't harm the drivetrain any more in third than it would in second, and third gear gives a longer pull for more resolution and accuracy, and is generally just easier to calculate since it's a 1:1 ratio. Next time have him dyno it in third. __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

01-08-2008, 10:14 AM	#5
Bryan GAGT - Junkie AKA: Bryan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sterling Heights, MI Age: 32 Posts: 4,269 Vehicle: '09.5 G6	Nice job man. __________________ CarDomain (Updated 10/9)

01-08-2008, 12:01 PM	#7
GTsuper Lett loose the juice AKA: justin Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: WALBRIDGE Age: 34 Posts: 229 Vehicle: 02 GAGT	have u got 1/4 mile times __________________ port and polished upper lower 26# injectors full 2.5 inch header back exhaust into flowmaster 40 drilled slotted rotors all 4 corners white faced gauges

01-08-2008, 11:06 AM	#6
angrysk8r GAGT - Member AKA: Luke Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lincoln NE Posts: 331 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	Thanks for the advice, when I get a chance to go to the dynojet I'll definitely do a 3rd gear pull, I wasn't too sure about the drivetrain stress but I was running low on time and had to get to work so I took him at his word. I guess that 20% difference between dynos is something he said he went and tested himself with a couple different vehicles. I honestly have no idea if that's accurate or not, although I did look around online and found that depending on the mustang dyno you should see anywhere from a 10-20% difference.

01-08-2008, 01:04 PM	#9
Rich Moderator AKA: Rich Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toledo, OH Age: 36 Posts: 4,513 Vehicle: 2001 2.4 Grand Am	nice stuff. way to rep the SE's. looking forward to seeing what you run at the track. __________________ "The news isn't so depressing when you're surrounded by bubbles." fquick

01-08-2008, 01:45 PM	#10
SpyhunteR #1 hater AKA: Rob Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Las Vegas Age: 38 Posts: 4,968 Vehicle: 01' 2.4T GA / 08 TBSS	tyte...... Can you get a scan of your ENTIRE dyno sheet by chance? __________________ Hey kids going to Vegas? Let me help you help me help you! Shoot me an email or PM for all your Vegas Night Club bottle hallucinations & strip club desires! FACEBOOKFACE! "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you."

01-08-2008, 05:13 PM	#12
bigstribs Bimmer Baby AKA: mike Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toledo Age: 39 Posts: 819 Vehicle: 1992 BMW 325is	nice 1200 thats not bad at all....if u dont mind me asking what all did u get for that?

01-08-2008, 06:56 PM	#13
SpyhunteR #1 hater AKA: Rob Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Las Vegas Age: 38 Posts: 4,968 Vehicle: 01' 2.4T GA / 08 TBSS	I'm curious at what points you were going lean. __________________ Hey kids going to Vegas? Let me help you help me help you! Shoot me an email or PM for all your Vegas Night Club bottle hallucinations & strip club desires! FACEBOOKFACE! "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you."

01-08-2008, 08:55 PM	#14
angrysk8r GAGT - Member AKA: Luke Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lincoln NE Posts: 331 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	I don't have a camera w/ me atm, but I was lean near the very beginning at 3200 rpm when I first started going wot, then the afr got more rich as the rpm's and boost went up. Basically just a way to battle the KR. Soon I may get a meth injection and do some wideband tuning so I can have a little more consistent afr, but as long as I'm running rich instead of lean I'm not too worried. as for bigstrib's question, the 1200 accounts for basically everything in the build. The turbo, intercooler, intercooler piping, exhaust piping, flanges, oil lines, bov, injectors, etc. You can really get the most out of your money when you know how to weld and tune and do the entire build yourself. Depending on if I have time I should be able to head to the dynojet thursday and do a few baseline runs. Another thing I noticed today when driving to work was that the coupler attached to the turbo was coming off and I've been leaking boost. I'm not sure if it started coming off when I was doing my dyno runs but I'll have that back on for the dynojet. I'll also try to remember to take the powrtuner and log the run so you guys can take a look at it. Last edited by angrysk8r; 01-08-2008 at 09:00 PM.

01-09-2008, 07:05 AM	#15
Sprucegagt Schwartz Power! AKA: Andy Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ranson, WV Age: 46 Posts: 2,027 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT	Your actually running way to rich. 10:1 ratios don't help anything, in fact they will contribute to KR due to carbon buildup. __________________ 2000 Grand Am GT (some day it will be SC/T) Mods: alot

01-09-2008, 11:24 PM	#18
WeibSunder Got Airway? AKA: Matt Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Evergreen,NC Age: 36 Posts: 1,337 Vehicle: 06 Dodge Magnum	Damn...$1,200 for a 5hp increase. You could have gotten at LEAST a 20hp increase with a "Turbo" badge and a couple NOS stickers. __________________ Kenntnis ist Kraft Air goes in and out, blood goes round and round. Any variation in this, is a bad thing!

01-10-2008, 02:17 AM	#19
Vegeta WOT-Tech AKA: Ben Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indiana Age: 42 Posts: 1,089 Vehicle: 1999 Alero	They dyno 140-145 stock, on mustang dynos anyway. Eddy current dynos are more consistant (I have seen .3 hp between runs MAX before). WHP is not Crank HP, or advertised HP. I don't believe its 20% between mustang and dynojet. Well, not between the equipment anyway. The operator is another story. I would say your car needs some work to hit its full potential. That is about 10whp more power than an 11:1-11.5:1 3400 with 75mm TB, 3500 upper, .539 lift 230s duration cammed 3400 makes. Your paper looks identical to the ones I have scanned from the local speed shop. __________________ Ben Wide Open Throttle Technologies 60DegreeV6.com

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