01 3400 NA Project - Page 2

02-01-2008, 08:39 AM

Made up my mind. Im going with milzy's stage 3 NA cam and head set up. I was thinking about going 60* store not cause I like the products but more so because Ive used thier forum so much. Felt I was obligated. But Ive baught milzy's stuf and it works great I loved my stage 1 boost cam. ]

Im going with 12:5:1 compressoin note: this will be a daily driver* hopefuly
MMS Stage 3 heads
MMS stage 3 cam
Whatever Push rods MMS has to offer for that combo

Bout another month or so and its all mine. Cant wait.

BTW do you guys think 12:5:1 would be able to run on 91

02-01-2008, 08:41 AM

Also I just noticed that MMS 3500 top end swap comes with cyl. heads so I prolly going to go 3500 top swap stage 3.

Vegeta · 02-01-2008, 08:50 AM

Awesome, we can compare your engine with Eric's when you get done.

HotShot · 02-01-2008, 01:22 PM

Nice Choice

bigstribs · 02-01-2008, 03:02 PM

sweet man

u wont be let down!

Blackbombshell9 · 02-01-2008, 04:42 PM

Sonic Test picture is under the photo gallery under members on www.60degreev6.com under Blackbombshell95.

You can get an idea of how my 3400 block with 30k miles checked out.

Have fun mike.

AJules8 · 02-01-2008, 06:02 PM

did you get a new gagt?

KhellendrosxS · 02-01-2008, 08:54 PM

Just dont put this motor sky high like the last one! Best of luck to you.

AaronGTR · 02-01-2008, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john_V63400

I'm going with 12:5:1 compressoin note: this will be a daily driver* hopefuly
MMS Stage 3 heads
MMS stage 3 cam
Whatever Push rods MMS has to offer for that combo

Bout another month or so and its all mine. Cant wait.

BTW do you guys think 12:5:1 would be able to run on 91

Ok, so Eric's motor is 12.4:1 comp... I thought he told me it was 11.5:1, my bad.

Still as Ben said it's a bit extreme. It can be done but we don't know how it will hold up as a daily driver yet. You're basically testing uncharted waters.

I most definitely would NOT try running it on 91 octane though. Compression that high almost needs 100 octane but can be done on 93-94 with good tuning. On 91 octane you'd probably have to retard the ignition timing so much you'd lose most of the power benefit from the extra point of compression so whats the point? Since you're in california and all the magazines I read complain about how bad the gas is there and you can only get 91 octane... I wouldn't do it. I'd keep the comp below 11.5:1 and hope you can tune it well enough for decent power without detonation and be happy with that.

gectek · 02-01-2008, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silvergtjrad

I just bought a set of DOHC pistons tonight on ebay... Ive been inspired.

so the DOHC pistons when applied to the OHV 3400 raise the compression?

Sprucegagt · 02-02-2008, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gectek

so the DOHC pistons when applied to the OHV 3400 raise the compression?

Yes, they have a smaller dish than stock 3400 pistons.

H.O. Driver · 02-02-2008, 06:33 AM

Are you running a Borla cat back or a Borla muffler? If you have a 3" downpipe I would get rid of the borla cat back piping and open it up a little bit. If that motor is going to be moving that much air you need to get it out of the exhuast faster too!

O1GAGT · 02-02-2008, 10:35 AM

Last I heard the MMS stage 3 car was going through belt tensioners like water. Maybe Mike can elaborate on that issue and let us know if it has been resolved.

This also has me wondering if TCE has released the double roller timing sets, if they have I would put one in.

silvergtjrad · 02-02-2008, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gectek

so the DOHC pistons when applied to the OHV 3400 raise the compression?

Yes they do according to ben. I got a set for $125 shipped from the bay

gectek · 02-02-2008, 01:16 PM

but they are a little smaller bore size from what i have seen, so you would have to get them in big overbore...just speaking from what i have gathered unless u have more info

Sprucegagt · 02-02-2008, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O1GAGT

Last I heard the MMS stage 3 car was going through belt tensioners like water. Maybe Mike can elaborate on that issue and let us know if it has been resolved.

This also has me wondering if TCE has released the double roller timing sets, if they have I would put one in.

Post # 36

http://60degreev6.com/forum/showthre...t=38836&page=2

Sprucegagt · 02-02-2008, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gectek

but they are a little smaller bore size from what i have seen, so you would have to get them in big overbore...just speaking from what i have gathered unless u have more info

Nope, both have the same stock bore of 92 mm. All of these specs were on the 60degreev6 site, but I can't find the link to the specs page.

laxjax13 · 02-02-2008, 08:10 PM

sounds like a sweet project. cant wait to see it running

bszopi · 02-02-2008, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprucegagt

Nope, both have the same stock bore of 92 mm. All of these specs were on the 60degreev6 site, but I can't find the link to the specs page.

http://60degreev6.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=83

Also http://members.shaw.ca/betterthanyoutoo/Specifications/

02-03-2008, 05:13 PM

Yeah my RSm stage 2 kit broke stock tnsioner too as well so i already have a custom one fab'd from a Exterra it works awsome

02-01-2008, 08:50 AM	#23
Vegeta WOT-Tech AKA: Ben Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indiana Age: 42 Posts: 1,089 Vehicle: 1999 Alero	Awesome, we can compare your engine with Eric's when you get done. __________________ Ben Wide Open Throttle Technologies 60DegreeV6.com

02-01-2008, 04:42 PM	#26
Blackbombshell9 L67 FTL AKA: Corey Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Federal, WA Posts: 144 Vehicle: 1995 Grand Prix Coupe	Sonic Test picture is under the photo gallery under members on www.60degreev6.com under Blackbombshell95. You can get an idea of how my 3400 block with 30k miles checked out. Have fun mike. __________________ Corey's 95 GP - LA1 swap, 11:1, H/C, Zex, lsd, 3.73 gears, N/A 60DegV6

02-01-2008, 08:54 PM	#28
KhellendrosxS Im A Motherfuc*er AKA: Chris Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toledo, Ohio Age: 37 Posts: 1,056 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT	Just dont put this motor sky high like the last one! Best of luck to you. __________________ GO: 28lb/hr Trailblazer injectors, Flowmaster 80 Custom Cat-back, Stewart Warner Maximum Performance Series Gauges, DHP Powertuner SHOW: Camaro Brake Upgrade, F/R Sway Bars, SLP STB

02-02-2008, 06:33 AM	#32
H.O. Driver I drive a V6 H.O. AKA: Timmah! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Boyne City, MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,694 Vehicle: 99 GT, 03 DTS, 04 SRX	Are you running a Borla cat back or a Borla muffler? If you have a 3" downpipe I would get rid of the borla cat back piping and open it up a little bit. If that motor is going to be moving that much air you need to get it out of the exhuast faster too! __________________ 1999 GA GT - lots of mods - Sold and missing it... 2001 GP GTP Special Edtion - Sold 2002 T/A - T-Tops, AT, LS6 intake, mainly stock - Sold 2003 Cadillac DTS - Gangsta Grandpa car - Gone 2004 Cadillac SRX - Baby hauler -Sold and missing it Life is too short to drive boring cars....why is that all I have now??????

02-02-2008, 10:35 AM	#33
O1GAGT GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Phil Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Age: 37 Posts: 1,107 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT Coupe	Last I heard the MMS stage 3 car was going through belt tensioners like water. Maybe Mike can elaborate on that issue and let us know if it has been resolved. This also has me wondering if TCE has released the double roller timing sets, if they have I would put one in. __________________ "The world's best cam combined with a poor set of heads will produce an engine that's a dog. But bolt on a set of great heads even with a poor cam, and that engine will still make great power." ~John Lingenfelter

02-01-2008, 08:39 AM	#21
john_V63400 Guest Posts: n/a	Made up my mind. Im going with milzy's stage 3 NA cam and head set up. I was thinking about going 60* store not cause I like the products but more so because Ive used thier forum so much. Felt I was obligated. But Ive baught milzy's stuf and it works great I loved my stage 1 boost cam. ] Im going with 12:5:1 compressoin note: this will be a daily driver* hopefuly MMS Stage 3 heads MMS stage 3 cam Whatever Push rods MMS has to offer for that combo Bout another month or so and its all mine. Cant wait. BTW do you guys think 12:5:1 would be able to run on 91

02-01-2008, 08:41 AM	#22
john_V63400 Guest Posts: n/a	Also I just noticed that MMS 3500 top end swap comes with cyl. heads so I prolly going to go 3500 top swap stage 3.

02-01-2008, 01:22 PM	#24
HotShot GAGT - Newbie AKA: Justin Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Lanc. PA Posts: 21 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT coupe	Nice Choice

02-01-2008, 03:02 PM	#25
bigstribs Bimmer Baby AKA: mike Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toledo Age: 39 Posts: 819 Vehicle: 1992 BMW 325is	sweet man u wont be let down!

02-01-2008, 06:02 PM	#27
AJules8 GAGT - Member AKA: Alex Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 36 Vehicle: 1999 Alero	did you get a new gagt?

02-02-2008, 01:16 PM	#35
gectek I hate nose hair AKA: John Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 2,051 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT sc/t	but they are a little smaller bore size from what i have seen, so you would have to get them in big overbore...just speaking from what i have gathered unless u have more info __________________ If you unscrew ur belly button, will ur butt fall off? Procrastinators UNITE!!!.....tomorrow

02-02-2008, 08:10 PM	#38
laxjax13 GAGT - Member AKA: Mark Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Age: 35 Posts: 641 Vehicle: 2001 GAGT Coupe	sounds like a sweet project. cant wait to see it running __________________ 06 Torrid Red A4 GTO: Pacesetter Catless LT Headers Corsa Sport Cat-Back Exhaust K&N FIPK CAI Speed INC. Basic Tune MSD Wires with NGK Plugs Optima Red top Pioneer AVIC-D3 20% Tint Grand AM Performance Mods: RSM Vortech V-9 Supercharger Slp Exhaust with Magnaflo high flow cat Granetteli MAF 28lb Trailblazer Injectors RSM Racing 62mm Throttle Body RSM F+B STB's MSD Wires w/ NGK TR6 Plugs 180 Degree Tstat Pilot Hi/Low 6k HID Kit MP Racing Tune SOLDDDDDD My Cardomain Last edited by laxjax13; 02-02-2008 at 08:12 PM.

02-03-2008, 05:13 PM	#40
john_V63400 Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah my RSm stage 2 kit broke stock tnsioner too as well so i already have a custom one fab'd from a Exterra it works awsome

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