Lutz: GM Considering 4-CYL Turbo Camaro; Confirms 3.6L; No Base Model Will Be Offered - Page 4

bigbenSC · 03-29-2008, 10:06 AM

They made a good move by losing the stupid little scoop above the grille.

AaronGTR · 03-29-2008, 05:31 PM

Best thing about those pics.... the headlights are singles instead of those lame looking double projectors they had on the earlier pre-production model spy photos. Looks MUCH better from the front than it did. My opinion on the body kit, it looks pretty good but I'm not sure about the wing. I think a simple lip spoiler would look better, like the old camaros.

notsoaveragej0e · 03-29-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbengt67

They made a good move by losing the stupid little scoop above the grille.

I agree... I wasn't really a fan of it either. Besides, the original Camaro didn't have one.

caraudiodave · 04-01-2008, 01:36 AM

well i like it with the kit, and i miss the scoop above the grill, i think that goes on the v8 model, this must be a v6.

and the packages differed by generation.

early on, the RS was a rally package, and SS was a sport package. you could combine them on the car, hence the RS/SS. z28 was a stripped down racing model.

later on, the RS became an appearance package for the v6 where the SS was an appearance package on the v8. z28 was just the base v8 model.

on the new one, itll be interesting to see what they do with the trim names. id like to see a z28 go back to its heritage with a stripper model, and the SS get all of the luxury stuff, and both models offered in a smaller v8 (maybe L76 and LS8 or LSA as some mags call it). we can get rid of the RS.

AaronGTR · 04-01-2008, 01:32 PM

I always liked the RS appearance package on the body of the last gen camaro more than the plain jane appearance of the z28 though. If I was to get one I'd get a z28 and swap on the RS body parts... and take off the z28 badges so people thought I had a plain RS. Is it possible to make a camaro sleeper?

GA2000GTSpeed · 04-01-2008, 01:56 PM

yah it is...
just like taking the badges off a gtp or mustang gt and put the base model badges on them. most wont know the differance.

SikMindz · 04-02-2008, 12:10 AM

Camaro Monza. Shorter, lighter, 310 HP 4 banger:

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...-caught-62669/

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This scoop spy pic of a short Camaro testing at GM Holden’s Lang Lang facility outside of Melbourne broke on overseas auto blogs and sites this weekend and now we have the scoop story from an unnamed insider to go with it broken by the LEHMANN organization 30 March 2008

Known internally as the Camaro Monza this is the Turbo Ecotec 4 cylinder powered Camaro referenced recently by Bob Lutz. To follow the Camaro V6 and V8 launch by 18 months the Camaro Monza comes in two packages. The base 260hp Turbo Ecotec and the Camaro Monza GT, which has a strengthened version of the same engine that incorporates timed over-boost and recovery electronic programming. This allows 310hp over-boost for up to half a minute before detuning back to 260hp and a seven minute recovery period after which the over-boost can be used again.

The recovery time is proportional, so if only 15 seconds of over boost were used or only half the extra powered were used for the 30 seconds then only 3.5 minutes recovery would be needed. The recovery time is needed to dissipate the high and potentially damaging thermal loads produced by the over-boost, which also explains the test vehicle having extra engine compartment venting behind the front wheels.

But the real news comes concerning weight. The parts bin has been raided from Volt to Alpha to Zeta Cadillac’s. Things like lightweight windscreen wipers to mp3 sound systems with only in-headrest small speakers. And the modularity of Zeta has allowed the attachment of a lighter rear end designed originally as an entry-level live rear axle for the Alpha platform. But this is not your father’s live axle F-body set-up.

According to the source the axle case is alloy and has novel in-board brakes either side of the differential and uses plastic leaf spring technology, as developed for Corvette, giving low unsprung weight at the smaller very lightweight wheels and tires. It is claimed this makes it as responsive as IRS over rough roads, yet it tracks straighter from launch over the quarter mile.

Even more hi-tech plastic is used with the rear frameless hatch being scratch resistant acrylic with a thin outer glass laminate and a body color plastic tailpiece. And the large doors are also made of body color impregnated plastic, with the side quarter windows also acrylic. But such use of color plastic body parts limits colors to solids, meaning no metallic colors for the Camaro Monza, at least not with the current technology. At the front some alloy Zeta suspension components developed for Cadillac have also been incorporated (Note: some sport models of the V8 Camaro may also use these light doors and suspension components).

The good news of all this is that the base Camaro Monza comes in under 3400 lb and the GT, which among a few other things ditches the rear seat for a flat load area and uses racing style seats, comes in under 3,300 lb. This gives the base Camaro Monza a decent 13 pounds weight per hp and the GT under 11 pounds per hp, which betters the Pontiac Solstice GXP Roadster.

Apparently Bob Lutz was so upset by CAFÉ that he launched the program immediately to raid this future tech from other programs just to show that GM can still make compliant performance vehicles even with one hand tied behind their back by federal regulators. We look forward to driving these explosive turbo fours.

Editorial note: Through our new affiliation with Autoforums.com ChevroletRevived has a call into Bob Lutz for an interview on this breaking news. If and when we get it we will bring it too you ASAP.

Probably an April Fool's joke but still cool if it really did happen.

notsoaveragej0e · 04-02-2008, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SikMindz

Probably an April Fool's joke but still cool if it really did happen.

Let it be known this text was not present when he first posted- simsikowned!

03-29-2008, 05:31 PM	#62
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	Best thing about those pics.... the headlights are singles instead of those lame looking double projectors they had on the earlier pre-production model spy photos. Looks MUCH better from the front than it did. My opinion on the body kit, it looks pretty good but I'm not sure about the wing. I think a simple lip spoiler would look better, like the old camaros. __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

04-01-2008, 01:36 AM	#64
caraudiodave Boring old man AKA: Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wood ranch, ca Age: 41 Posts: 2,172 Vehicle: '13 Camry hybrid	well i like it with the kit, and i miss the scoop above the grill, i think that goes on the v8 model, this must be a v6. and the packages differed by generation. early on, the RS was a rally package, and SS was a sport package. you could combine them on the car, hence the RS/SS. z28 was a stripped down racing model. later on, the RS became an appearance package for the v6 where the SS was an appearance package on the v8. z28 was just the base v8 model. on the new one, itll be interesting to see what they do with the trim names. id like to see a z28 go back to its heritage with a stripper model, and the SS get all of the luxury stuff, and both models offered in a smaller v8 (maybe L76 and LS8 or LSA as some mags call it). we can get rid of the RS. __________________ 2013 Toyota Camry hybrid: Pioneer AVIC-8000NEX, Phoenix Gold ZPA0.3 (300 x 2), Phoenix Gold ZPA0.3 (300 x 2), Phoenix Gold ZPA0.5 (1000 x 1), Dynaudio MD100 (1" tweeters), Dynaudio MW160 (6.5" mids), Eclipse SW8812 (12" aluminum cone subwoofer)

04-01-2008, 01:32 PM	#65
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	I always liked the RS appearance package on the body of the last gen camaro more than the plain jane appearance of the z28 though. If I was to get one I'd get a z28 and swap on the RS body parts... and take off the z28 badges so people thought I had a plain RS. Is it possible to make a camaro sleeper? __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

04-01-2008, 01:56 PM	#66
GA2000GTSpeed GAGT - Member AKA: Josh Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Freeman Missouri Age: 31 Posts: 411 Vehicle: 00 GAGT, 79 Jag XJ6	yah it is... just like taking the badges off a gtp or mustang gt and put the base model badges on them. most wont know the differance. __________________ Current mods: RSM Supercharger kit, S&S Headers, Upgraded Clutches, Borla cat-back, Drilled and Slotted Camaro rotors and Calipers, MSD coil packs, EGR Block Off, 180 thermo, MSD wires, Tuned Myself with DHP, 2 12 inch Alpine type R's, Kenwood bass booster 1700 watt Amp, Red Dual flip down head unit, Tinted Tails, Custom Painted Black With Red Interior, Double pod A pillar, A/F Gauge, Vac/Boost Gauge. Future Mods: Heads, P&P Intake manifolds, 65mm TB, HP Tuners, .

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03-29-2008, 10:06 AM	#61
bigbenSC SC and Loving It! AKA: Ben Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, KY Age: 36 Posts: 1,772 Vehicle: 2005 SRT-6, 2001 GA GT	They made a good move by losing the stupid little scoop above the grille.