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Old 12-13-2017, 10:20 AM   #101
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I didn't know they counted the weight of the person when weighing a car?
And even so, 400 lbs is huge. I'd call that gutted. You also forget, I've seen your car in person.



I know what a low 60 ft time does to the ET you f*cking dolt. It doesn't change the fact that your trap time isn't that high for the HP level you claim. And after you tried making fun of my trap speed. And I like how your car suddenly becomes stock heads, cam, block etc.... when it wasn't before according to you? Funny thing, that.

Also, I ran a 2.3 60' on 225 series street tires. Not really surprising there. "knowing how to launch" really doesn't have anything to do with it. I guess knowing how to put drag slicks on your car somehow makes you a genius and more skilled and knowledgeable about how to launch a car then me huh?
There's another name. "F***ing dolt" eh? I guess we'll need to copy and paste that later when you forget that is how you try to prove you're right.

I scaled it with me in the car because it was a drive-on scale, and that's how you do it on that track. Also as far as data is concerned, knowing what the wet race weight of the car with driver, helmet/safety equipment, fluids, fuel etc all together is more important for calculating things about the car then the dry/empty weight.

I'm confused by the things you say, yet again. You say that it's perfectly normal for your car to do a 103 trap speed with 320whp, but when a car makes 330whp, it should trap more than 112. Exactly how much trap speed do you think it should have exactly? Maybe you should drive it so that a poor launch would make the ET to trap speed ratio more to your liking.

My monte carlo had 225-60-16 all seasons, and with 360 whp, I was doing 1.95 60's on those tires. I can't help it if you can't figure out how to launch.
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:23 PM   #102
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There's another name. "F***ing dolt" eh? I guess we'll need to copy and paste that later when you forget that is how you try to prove you're right.
You inferring I don't know how 60' times, ET's, and trap speeds work in a 1/4 mile... you earned that one buddy.

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I scaled it with me in the car because it was a drive-on scale, and that's how you do it on that track. Also as far as data is concerned, knowing what the wet race weight of the car with driver, helmet/safety equipment, fluids, fuel etc all together is more important for calculating things about the car then the dry/empty weight.
Not how they weigh cars from the factory, so not relevant when talking about how much weight you've removed from a car compared to factory. Also, they make these things called doors.... you can open them and get out of the car after it's on a scale...

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I'm confused by the things you say, yet again. You say that it's perfectly normal for your car to do a 103 trap speed with 320whp, but when a car makes 330whp, it should trap more than 112. Exactly how much trap speed do you think it should have exactly? Maybe you should drive it so that a poor launch would make the ET to trap speed ratio more to your liking.
You previously claimed your race car made more power than that when you ran that time. You never said it had only 330whp at that time. Make more sense now?

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My monte carlo had 225-60-16 all seasons, and with 360 whp, I was doing 1.95 60's on those tires. I can't help it if you can't figure out how to launch.
Yeah, okay. Liar.
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:19 AM   #103
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You inferring I don't know how 60' times, ET's, and trap speeds work in a 1/4 mile... you earned that one buddy.



Not how they weigh cars from the factory, so not relevant when talking about how much weight you've removed from a car compared to factory. Also, they make these things called doors.... you can open them and get out of the car after it's on a scale...



You previously claimed your race car made more power than that when you ran that time. You never said it had only 330whp at that time. Make more sense now?



Yeah, okay. Liar.
I know this is a hard concept to grasp, so let me explain it with smaller words. If you weigh the weight of a car with a person in the car, and you want to know what the car weighs without that person in it, all you have to do is subtract the weight of the person from the weight you measured with the person in the car.

The advertised curb weight of my 1999 Grand Am GT 2-door is 3050 lbs. Curb weight is defined as "the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, all necessary operating consumables such as motor oil, transmission oil, coolant, air conditioning refrigerant, and sometimes a full tank of fuel, while not loaded with either passengers or cargo." So the error factor would roughly be +/- 1/2 tank of fuel, which weighs 7lb/gal, so that can basically throw the number off one way or the other 50lbs either way.

So a stock 1999 Grand Am GT weighs 3050lbs. Mine with me, helmet, and racing jacket in it weighed 2850 in KY that day, full fluids and full fuel cell. Myself and my safety equipment weighed about 250. So weight of my race car was 2850-250 = 2600. I modified the car by adding a turbo kit, adding a roll cage, removing the fuel tank, installing a smaller fuel cell, replacing the rear windshield with a lexan one, and removing all AC equipment and stock seats, installing a race seat, etc. The sum of this weight difference is calculated by 3050-2600 = 450lb.

My 360whp supercharged 1999 Monte Carlo Z34 averaged 60ft's between 1.93 and 2.02 with Bridgestone Potenza RE950 All-seasons with 28psi of air pressure in the fronts and 46 in the rear, and that's a fact Anyone who knows what they're doing can pull a 2.0x on street tires. Feel free to research that all you want.
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Old 12-14-2017, 04:55 PM   #104
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Old 12-16-2017, 10:09 AM   #105
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I know this is a hard concept to grasp
...especially for you...
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The sum of this weight difference is calculated by 3050-2600 = 450lb.
That's pretty significant, seeing as the average is 1 tenth of a second off an ET for every 100 lb weight decrease.

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My 360whp supercharged 1999 Monte Carlo Z34 averaged 60ft's between 1.93 and 2.02 with Bridgestone Potenza RE950 All-seasons with 28psi of air pressure in the fronts and 46 in the rear, and that's a fact Anyone who knows what they're doing can pull a 2.0x on street tires. Feel free to research that all you want.
Is it possible for someone to run a 2.0 sec 60' time? Sure. Is it typical? No

Look, there are a million factors that can influence launch in a FWD car. Maybe your car had higher sidewalls so letting air pressure out of them allowed more flex and reduced the tendency to break traction. My car is setup more for handling and circuit driving than drag racing so I was using lower profile summer tires with stiff sidewalls on 17" wheels. Maybe the tracks were prepped differently. The place I was running had a lot of rubber marbles built up behind the burnout box from RWD cars, and I had to drive through it because they didn't have a lane to go around. Best I could do was a short spin past the box to try and scrub the tires clean. Also, I only got two runs in that day before the engine blew, so I didn't exactly get a chance to dial in my launch. Maybe your track had more VHT down? Maybe you coated your tires with contact cement before hand? Also you are comparing two different cars with different engines and weight distribution. A heavier engine and trans over the front wheels and a longer wheel base meaning less weight transfer off the front wheels.

The comparison is pointless. The only way to gauge someone's driving skills is to have two drivers drive the same car, at the same track, on the same day. Anything else is as stupid and presumptuous as, well.... your tuning.
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Old 12-16-2017, 10:28 AM   #106
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Old 12-18-2017, 01:14 PM   #108
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I think we need a N-body /660 track day in 2018!
I miss the days when there were multiple events per year to attend back in the day, and would love to get back to those roots and do some actual racing. If I had my way planning an event like that, I would want there to be some drag racing and some autocross, as well as a cook-out or parking lot party at a hotel. I can't tell you how many times I've been to Grand Prix and W-body events like that or Pontiac Nationals, and always had an absolute blast. So yeah I'd be in on something like that.
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Old 12-18-2017, 05:41 PM   #109
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I miss the days when there were multiple events per year to attend back in the day, and would love to get back to those roots and do some actual racing. If I had my way planning an event like that, I would want there to be some drag racing and some autocross, as well as a cook-out or parking lot party at a hotel. I can't tell you how many times I've been to Grand Prix and W-body events like that or Pontiac Nationals, and always had an absolute blast. So yeah I'd be in on something like that.
I don't know what is in the Michigan, Ohio, PA area for road course/drag strip complexes... two southern ontario tracks have drag strips and road courses

Now would be the time to start looking!
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Old 12-18-2017, 08:33 PM   #110
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There's a grand am group on Facebook planning a meet in July 2018 in Michigan... They're hoping to do a track day as well...

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Theres Dragway 42 in Ohio just opened up and remodeled this year and they have autocross and drag strip events.
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