3400 to 3800 swap

666DmCpont666 · 02-15-2010, 01:25 PM

Does anybody know if it's possible to drop a 3.8 s/c into a 2002 Grand Am? If so, what needs to be done to make it function like a 3.8 and not a typical garbage 3.4? I have heard so many different comments and ideas, I can't even understand whether this swap is actually possible.

If anybody has any input it would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Cory M

02-15-2010, 01:28 PM

its possible. use the search button. top right corner. has been brought up several times. most responses will be that its pointless to even bother.

KhellendrosxS · 02-15-2010, 01:59 PM

Why would you want to swap in a boat anchor?

Why do the newbs start these threads every week?

Why cant newbs use the Search button?

IBTL.

notsoaveragej0e · 02-15-2010, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhellendrosxS

Why would you want to swap in a boat anchor?

Why do the newbs start these threads every week?

Why cant newbs use the Search button?

IBTL.

its no longer green lulz

KhellendrosxS · 02-15-2010, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notsoaveragej0e

its no longer green lulz

darn.

666DmCpont666 · 02-15-2010, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhellendrosxS

Why would you want to swap in a boat anchor?

Why do the newbs start these threads every week?

Why cant newbs use the Search button?

IBTL.

i used the SEARCH button....in the posts there still isnt a straight answer.

666DmCpont666 · 02-15-2010, 02:06 PM

still get the back and forth answers im trying to sort out to get my mind made up

ITSmyGT · 02-15-2010, 02:08 PM

Yes it has been done, but you will be basically swapping the whole front end and I don't just mean the motor. By the time you finish you would have spent alot of time and money. If I had the money I would go with Milzys' stage 2 kit, also on Mikes site he is selling crate engines built the way you want. Here is the link http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva...=MMS_Crate3400

I'm not in any way telling you not to do the swap, but I find it would be easier to do the Milzy crate motor built to your liking.

notsoaveragej0e · 02-15-2010, 02:08 PM

the point is, anything is possible with enough time and money... and yes, it has been done, but the fabrication and effort it would take to get it to bolt up and properly work really are not worth it. You'd be better off supercharging the 3.4, turbo charging the I4, or just starting with a whole new project all together depending on how fast you wanna go.

KhellendrosxS · 02-15-2010, 02:12 PM

OK, hows this.

The only sucessful swap had to use the two PCM's in tandem so youll have a whole wiring harness nightmare on your hands. The guy who did this said that it took him a year to get the car to even run. Im sure you dont have that kind of time on your hands nor the experience if you have to come in and ask if its possible.

If you do it youll be a pioneer, nobody is going to hold your hand along the way. Thats the harsh reality and why everyone gets pissy when this question gets asked over and over because the answer is always the same.

The 3400 is capable of out-performing the 3800 with FAR less work with a turbocharger and some other engine upgrades.

Youll find information and parts on WOT-Tech and Milzys site. Just an FYI Mike takes foreeeeever to get things done, all of those kits have been 'in development' for a long time.

02-15-2010, 02:55 PM

straight answer. you want a 3800? buy a car with a 3800 already in it. dont waste your time doin a swap.

PhantomLover007 · 02-15-2010, 02:57 PM

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oldschoolguy · 02-15-2010, 05:17 PM

The tagz show he read last week's thread

AaronGTR · 02-15-2010, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 666DmCpont666

Does anybody know if it's possible to drop a 3.8 s/c into a 2002 Grand Am? If so, what needs to be done to make it function like a 3.8 and not a typical garbage 3.4? I have heard so many different comments and ideas, I can't even understand whether this swap is actually possible.

If anybody has any input it would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Cory M

Don't you mean the other way around? What needs to be done to make a garbage 3.8 function like the much better designed and more advanced 3.4?

Laser57 · 02-15-2010, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

Don't you mean the other way around? What needs to be done to make a garbage 3.8 function like the much better designed and more advanced 3.4?

Seriously. My friend had a 99 GTP and, don't get me wrong it was fast and had power, but when that motor is in a boat like a Grand Prix its not that impressive. (Back in the 60s Dodge put 440s in Monacos and 383s Superbees. Doesn't mean a Monaco will outrun a Superbee.) That 3.8 wasn't that impressive anyway and if it ever came down to it, I don't think that Grand Prix would have been faster than my Grand AM.

SpyhunteR · 02-15-2010, 05:40 PM

if you want a swap. go 3500 or go ecotec.

XtremeGaGt00 · 02-15-2010, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laser57

I don't think that Grand Prix would have been faster than my Grand AM.

mine is

[ChaosweaveR] · 02-15-2010, 06:45 PM

The L67 swap in an N-body is chock full of fail. Goddamned nubcakes, stop having pipe dreams about putting this overrated motor in a GA.

KhellendrosxS · 02-15-2010, 08:50 PM

I wish I could add more tags.

Nick-G · 02-16-2010, 03:09 PM

While your at it why not make it rear engined RWD... that wouldn't be pointless either.

02-15-2010, 01:25 PM	#1
666DmCpont666 STS Racing Niagara AKA: Cory Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Welland, Ontario Posts: 7 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am SE1	3400 to 3800 swap Does anybody know if it's possible to drop a 3.8 s/c into a 2002 Grand Am? If so, what needs to be done to make it function like a 3.8 and not a typical garbage 3.4? I have heard so many different comments and ideas, I can't even understand whether this swap is actually possible. If anybody has any input it would be greatly appreciated Thanks Cory M

02-15-2010, 01:59 PM	#3
KhellendrosxS Im A Motherfuc*er AKA: Chris Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toledo, Ohio Age: 35 Posts: 1,056 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT	Why would you want to swap in a boat anchor? Why do the newbs start these threads every week? Why cant newbs use the Search button? IBTL. __________________ GO: 28lb/hr Trailblazer injectors, Flowmaster 80 Custom Cat-back, Stewart Warner Maximum Performance Series Gauges, DHP Powertuner SHOW: Camaro Brake Upgrade, F/R Sway Bars, SLP STB

02-15-2010, 02:08 PM	#8
ITSmyGT NEWB THIS AKA: Bryan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 26 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT Sedan	Yes it has been done, but you will be basically swapping the whole front end and I don't just mean the motor. By the time you finish you would have spent alot of time and money. If I had the money I would go with Milzys' stage 2 kit, also on Mikes site he is selling crate engines built the way you want. Here is the link http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva...=MMS_Crate3400 I'm not in any way telling you not to do the swap, but I find it would be easier to do the Milzy crate motor built to your liking. __________________

02-15-2010, 02:08 PM	#9
notsoaveragej0e Causes a ruckus AKA: Joe Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Detroit, MI Age: 33 Posts: 5,011 Vehicle: Maligoat	the point is, anything is possible with enough time and money... and yes, it has been done, but the fabrication and effort it would take to get it to bolt up and properly work really are not worth it. You'd be better off supercharging the 3.4, turbo charging the I4, or just starting with a whole new project all together depending on how fast you wanna go. __________________

02-15-2010, 02:12 PM	#10
KhellendrosxS Im A Motherfuc*er AKA: Chris Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toledo, Ohio Age: 35 Posts: 1,056 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT	OK, hows this. The only sucessful swap had to use the two PCM's in tandem so youll have a whole wiring harness nightmare on your hands. The guy who did this said that it took him a year to get the car to even run. Im sure you dont have that kind of time on your hands nor the experience if you have to come in and ask if its possible. If you do it youll be a pioneer, nobody is going to hold your hand along the way. Thats the harsh reality and why everyone gets pissy when this question gets asked over and over because the answer is always the same. The 3400 is capable of out-performing the 3800 with FAR less work with a turbocharger and some other engine upgrades. Youll find information and parts on WOT-Tech and Milzys site. Just an FYI Mike takes foreeeeever to get things done, all of those kits have been 'in development' for a long time. __________________ GO: 28lb/hr Trailblazer injectors, Flowmaster 80 Custom Cat-back, Stewart Warner Maximum Performance Series Gauges, DHP Powertuner SHOW: Camaro Brake Upgrade, F/R Sway Bars, SLP STB

02-15-2010, 01:28 PM	#2
hahano404 Guest Posts: n/a	its possible. use the search button. top right corner. has been brought up several times. most responses will be that its pointless to even bother.

02-15-2010, 02:06 PM	#7
666DmCpont666 STS Racing Niagara AKA: Cory Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Welland, Ontario Posts: 7 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am SE1	still get the back and forth answers im trying to sort out to get my mind made up

02-15-2010, 02:55 PM	#11
hahano404 Guest Posts: n/a	straight answer. you want a 3800? buy a car with a 3800 already in it. dont waste your time doin a swap.

02-15-2010, 05:17 PM	#13
oldschoolguy noob AKA: huh?? Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: BC Canada Posts: 510 Vehicle: '01 Grand Am	The tagz show he read last week's thread

02-15-2010, 05:40 PM	#16
SpyhunteR #1 hater AKA: Rob Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Las Vegas Age: 36 Posts: 4,968 Vehicle: 01' 2.4T GA / 08 TBSS	if you want a swap. go 3500 or go ecotec. __________________ Hey kids going to Vegas? Let me help you help me help you! Shoot me an email or PM for all your Vegas Night Club bottle hallucinations & strip club desires! FACEBOOKFACE! "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you."

02-15-2010, 06:45 PM	#18
[ChaosweaveR] So that's Vtec... AKA: Chris Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Medford, NY Age: 33 Posts: 6,784 Vehicle: ‘15 Honda Accord Sport	The L67 swap in an N-body is chock full of fail. Goddamned nubcakes, stop having pipe dreams about putting this overrated motor in a GA. __________________ 2015 Honda Accord Sport Sedan: K24W 2003 Mitsubishi Galant ES: 4G64

02-15-2010, 08:50 PM	#19
KhellendrosxS Im A Motherfuc*er AKA: Chris Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toledo, Ohio Age: 35 Posts: 1,056 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT	I wish I could add more tags. __________________ GO: 28lb/hr Trailblazer injectors, Flowmaster 80 Custom Cat-back, Stewart Warner Maximum Performance Series Gauges, DHP Powertuner SHOW: Camaro Brake Upgrade, F/R Sway Bars, SLP STB

02-16-2010, 03:09 PM	#20
Nick-G Boost Addict AKA: Nick Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: St Cloud, Minnesota Age: 30 Posts: 1,290 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT V6	While your at it why not make it rear engined RWD... that wouldn't be pointless either. __________________ BUILT Turbo 3400/4t65e-HD powered Grand AM in the making. ---------------------------------- www.motorsportsevolved.com Get updates on Facebook ----------------------------------

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