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Old 08-07-2014, 08:48 PM   #1
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How many lx9 3.5 swapped turbocharged cars on here??

I have done the lx9 swap with the 3400 top end as a quick fix for my failing engine about 3 years ago, but I want more... Instead of buying a new car I want to slightly build and turbo the lx9, but I am not too engine savy when it comes to major mods. Anyone in Minnesota that does this kind of work??

Any responses are much appreciated =)

Here is what I am working with, unfortunately the front bumper does not come off. Is a turbo setup possible even???

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You are gonna have to make that front bumper come off for intercooler fitting. Get rid of the whole body kit.

Yes it's possible. Very few people here have a turbo 3400/3500. Alot of people dont care for the work/money to make it that fast.

Milzymotorsports in ohio is your closest bet.
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Bein honest, I first looked at the picture and immediately frowned with disgust.

And wow it looks like whoever had the car before molded the front bumper to the front quarter fenders.
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I have done the lx9 swap with the 3400 top end as a quick fix for my failing engine about 3 years ago, but I want more... Instead of buying a new car I want to slightly build and turbo the lx9, but I am not too engine savy when it comes to major mods. Anyone in Minnesota that does this kind of work??

Any responses are much appreciated =)
Honestly, you would be getting yourself into a very expensive never ending project in exchange for very little performance increase or bragging rights in return. You could have issues with every aspect required to install and maintain a turbo on these cars so if you're not engine savvy and don't want to be working on the car fixing things all the time then I would not recommend a turbo.
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Just like Aaron said, if you want a reliable GA keep it N/A.

Now if you have another car and have all the time in the world to work on it by all means.
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^ as long as its built right he wouldn't have issues. If you throw a turbo on a stock engine you're gonna have a bad time. You need mods to compensate for the added power. Plus if you build the motor up you can run more boost. Do a forged bottom end. Get your heads ported. Add a good cam and other things the car will be reliable with a good tune.
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Going to have a bad time with a turbo. Please. I have a 3400/3500 turboed GA. I get people stopping me all the time asking me about it. It's super fast and a whole lot fast then your would think. I got a tremendous amount of power gain from my turbo and my motor is holding strong at 16 pounds of boost. People who can't understand stand how to turbo these cars frowns on it. Let me tell you it was worth it.
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I was taking into account dealing with header issues and many other things related to installing and maintaining a turbo. For a non-engine savvy person like the OP, this could be a nightmare unless they're willing to learn and pay the price for their mistakes...somtimes a huge price. I would not recommend doing this kind of project on a daily driver because you won't have a car to drive if/when the crap hits the fan and something goes wrong.
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I was taking into account dealing with header issues and many other things related to installing and maintaining a turbo. For a non-engine savvy person like the OP, this could be a nightmare unless they're willing to learn and pay the price for their mistakes...somtimes a huge price. I would not recommend doing this kind of project on a daily driver because you won't have a car to drive if/when the crap hits the fan and something goes wrong.
Yeah I would agree with that. You do really have to pay a ton of attention to detail and stay away from eBay trying to by parts. It does cost a good amount of money and time but you just have to do research. It really isn't as bad as you would think to do it. The headers are the major point but Mike at Milzy's makes them that are a direct fit and will work great. As the old saying goes " You have to pay to play". I have had some small issues with mine at the beginning but it was nothing major. It was just some stuff I wasn't used to doing but now I know it by the back of my hand. If you can make it work a turbo car is just so much fun to drive.
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Old 08-08-2014, 05:41 PM   #10
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assuming your going to keep the 4t45 you are going to have to address that also.

haven't seen anyone mention the transmission but it does need to be addressed when adding power.
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Old 08-08-2014, 05:59 PM   #11
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I say sell the riced out Grand Am and buy something worth sinking money into to go fast.
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Milzy was what I was thinking to go to

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All the molding was done 6 years ago to make it unique, I could live with cutting the bumper and fitting a hinge assembly to make it removable where needed.

I have not put a ton of money into my car guys, It was just my high school project 6 years ago that I have tinkered with. It gets tons of good comments at car shows and is set up to be reliable, but all that is left is the engine. I am not engine savy, but I am plenty mechanically inclined to fix any issues I have had with the car and was able to do the swap fairly easily.

The way I look at it, I would rather put 12K-15K into a car that has EVERYTHING else then buy a brand new car and start over. Plus insurance would be cheap. A built lx9 turbo setup would be what 9k and 6 speed swap 6k when the automatic goes out??? Makes sense to me.
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>not mechanically savvy

That pretty much says it all. Don't even bother with a turbo build.

>wanting to dump $15K into a $3K car

Look, you're not getting it. At all. Grands Ams aren't fast, you'll have a 13 second car at best, when the average sports car/sedan/wagon does 13's with ease...STOCK.

Wanna play it smart? Buy something like a G8, an Evo or MKV GTI/GLI. Start with a good platform, not a dead one with little support.
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........ when the average sports car/sedan/wagon does 13's with ease...STOCK.....
What "average" sedans and wagons do 13's "with ease"... stock?
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>not mechanically savvy

That pretty much says it all. Don't even bother with a turbo build.

>wanting to dump $15K into a $3K car

Look, you're not getting it. At all. Grands Ams aren't fast, you'll have a 13 second car at best, when the average sports car/sedan/wagon does 13's with ease...STOCK.

Wanna play it smart? Buy something like a G8, an Evo or MKV GTI/GLI. Start with a good platform, not a dead one with little support.
I agree mostly with what you are saying. I was not bothered by the money I put in my car, but not being "mechanically savy" I would not advise you to jump into a built turbo car. It isn't a matter of handling the power, but more so handling an issue when, not if it comes up. I wish I would of know a lot more before I jumped into my situation. Do i regret it?...Hell no, but I have had to play a lot of catch up and waste a lot of time. Just don't expect to be able to take it to a shop and have it fixed no problem. Boosted GA's are pretty much unheard of around here and I'm sure anywhere, so they won't always have the best knowledge on repairing it, not to mention it can be expensive when something does go wrong (my issue at the moment).

If you decide to weigh your opinions and go for it. Good luck because they are a blast to drive and highly underestimated. Please don't forget to upgrade your suspension and brakes while you are add it. Going fast is great and all, but not being able to handle it or have the necessary brakes to stop you would not be advisable.
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What "average" sedans and wagons do 13's "with ease"... stock?
I picked up a low mileage Dodge Caliber SRT4 with low miles and it does 13's with a catless downpipe and Mopar Stage 1.
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But the car isnt stock.
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Yeah if your not mechanically savvy I wouldn't even attempt this build. I built mine myself and I will say it holds up great. I am running a 4t45e with absolutely no issues. I love having a boosted GA because they are very underestimated because they are a GA. I have ropped a few people with it that didn't see it coming. Actually I raced a brand new SVT focus our whatever its called now today. Guess who ran away? Yeah I handed that Ford it's ass. The big issues with these boosted is the transmission is just not equipped enough to keep up top end. I was able to stay with a modified Mustang SVT until it hit a gear I just don't have. I know you guys will say I'm crazy but it's the truth.
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I can agree. Gearing can slow you down even when making good power. Its amazing how just the change of gears can really wake up a car... I can say that my alero going from the 4 speed 4t45 to a 6 speed F40. It REALLY woke the car up. And also made it a sht ton of fun.

Sounds like its time for a 6 speed swap GI CEO



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