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Old 09-13-2010, 10:39 AM   #1
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Hole in headers from S&S. What's the best cheapest option?

S&S is out of business so I can't get replacement parts. So, I'm stuck with a few options. The only way I can repair the pipes is to remove them from the car and at that point I might as well put new ones on.

So what do you guys think would be best?

I could probably get a pair of pacesetters but it'll be a pita to install I'm sure and I'd have to get my current DP custom fitted.

Another option is to simply purchase stock manifolds and install them, but at that point I might as well go back to stock and trade/sell my UIM and 65mm TB combo or trade it for stock parts.

Third option would be to attempt to find replacement S&S parts second hand.

I don't plan to keep the car longer than I have to, but I'm nowhere near gainfully employed enough to think about getting a new car right now.

I'd appreciate any advice.
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Old 09-13-2010, 11:44 AM   #2
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it depends on how bad they are. if it's just one bad spot, or the whole thing's shot.
you could take it to a muffler shop, they'd spot weld the bad spot, then you could spray some rust inhibitors on it to keep things from getting worse.

i'm sure any muffler shop could mate the pacesetters to your existing downpipe.

you ain't gonna find replacement parts for s/s headers. but what part went bad that you are trying to replace? there are universal parts and ways to make things happen.

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Old 09-13-2010, 12:08 PM   #3
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Apparently the only way I can even figure out if it can be fixed is to remove the headers and bring it in. It's the rear pipe up by the firewall that's bad. I'll take pics once I get it off.
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Old 09-13-2010, 01:19 PM   #4
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Did it get a hole where the front crossover pipe meets up with the rear primary?
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Old 09-15-2010, 11:16 AM   #5
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Did it get a hole where the front crossover pipe meets up with the rear primary?
I'm not sure how to describe it without a picture, but I think you're right. The front crossover pipe wraps around and comes almost right up against the pipe for one of the cylinders. There I found there are two holes, one right across from the other. I'm gonna try and get a picture today and post it up.
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Old 09-15-2010, 01:53 PM   #6
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Yep that's where mine had a hole. The first set had a weld there, but the replacement I got didn't. Its like the eld broke after to many hot/cold cycles.
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That would explain why there's two perfect holes there. Think it could be fixed?

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im sure if can be fixed. what are the headers made of? maybe S&S didnt use the right material for welding. im not a welder but I know that theres different types of welding and different materials that vary depending on the job.
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the material is just mild steel
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Yep that is exactly like mine was. We think they just did a quick tack there for assembly, but since the material never really heated up the weld just cracks out after a while. Mine were coated so we didn't attempt to fix them, I was able to get a replacement right befor S&S went under. Otherwise one of the guys at work that did welding said they should be aesy enough to weld up.
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Yep that is exactly like mine was. We think they just did a quick tack there for assembly, but since the material never really heated up the weld just cracks out after a while. Mine were coated so we didn't attempt to fix them, I was able to get a replacement right befor S&S went under. Otherwise one of the guys at work that did welding said they should be aesy enough to weld up.
Alright. Thanks for the info. I've got both sets off at the moment, but only the front set is out of the engine bay. I'm having a hell of time getting the rears out. I've removed everything I can think of that's in the way but I'm having trouble with the stud the alternator mounts next to and then it gets jammed on the underside. I spent the better part of 2hrs trying to get the thing out. Any one have any pointers?
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Pull the bracket and tensioner and that will get rid of the stud in the way . Call if you need to again. I would have told you that yesterday but I thought you already did so.
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I'll be calling again...I tried pulling the bracket but have no clue where all the bolts are.
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Nevermind. The last bolt holding it in was the one for the tensioner itself. Got the rear pipes out and I'll be bringing them to a welder soon.
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So I got the pipes fixed and I realized that I really have no clue what I'm doing. I must've taken the pipes off and put them back on 3 times because I thought it was leaking. What happened was that after like 30 seconds of running the engine, smoke would appear and drifting up from around the headers. I saw it and assumed it was exhaust.

After the last time installing them and repositioning the trimmed stock manifold gaskets to reflect how they were supposed to be (probably wouldn't have mattered) I started the car again and got the smoke again. This time my dad (a former hot rodder himself) was around and when I pointed out the smoke he pointed out to me that it wasn't exhaust. It never occurred to me that after all the handling the pipes would accumulate skin oils and they would burn off once the pipes got hot and thus make smoke.

Had I been thinking clearly I might have realized exhaust leaking from the headers wouldn't slowly drift up from the pipes like smoke from a lit cigarette. If my dad hadn't been there I'd probably still be tearing off the pipes trying to figure it out. Maybe I should leave work like this to other less emotional people .
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If you were closer to me I would have just come over and given you a hand but I am sure you probably knew that by now
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So I got the pipes fixed and I realized that I really have no clue what I'm doing. I must've taken the pipes off and put them back on 3 times because I thought it was leaking. What happened was that after like 30 seconds of running the engine, smoke would appear and drifting up from around the headers. I saw it and assumed it was exhaust.

After the last time installing them and repositioning the trimmed stock manifold gaskets to reflect how they were supposed to be (probably wouldn't have mattered) I started the car again and got the smoke again. This time my dad (a former hot rodder himself) was around and when I pointed out the smoke he pointed out to me that it wasn't exhaust. It never occurred to me that after all the handling the pipes would accumulate skin oils and they would burn off once the pipes got hot and thus make smoke.

Had I been thinking clearly I might have realized exhaust leaking from the headers wouldn't slowly drift up from the pipes like smoke from a lit cigarette. If my dad hadn't been there I'd probably still be tearing off the pipes trying to figure it out. Maybe I should leave work like this to other less emotional people .

dont fell dumb, honestly almost every one thinks that same thing. i have to convince customers all the time that the smoke from the headers is just oils and stuff burning off. people seem to freak out alot over it, but its perfectly normal for them to smoke even heavily sometimes depending on what got on them while handling them. remember exhaust leaks are most always audible more so then visual. snapping and ticking noises are what you have to listen for.
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If you were closer to me I would have just come over and given you a hand but I am sure you probably knew that by now
Oh yea def. If you were local I'd have had you over to help.

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dont fell dumb, honestly almost every one thinks that same thing. i have to convince customers all the time that the smoke from the headers is just oils and stuff burning off. people seem to freak out alot over it, but its perfectly normal for them to smoke even heavily sometimes depending on what got on them while handling them. remember exhaust leaks are most always audible more so then visual. snapping and ticking noises are what you have to listen for.
I do have a ticking probably from the crossover pipe (its in that area) and not having the donut washer placed exactly right. Not sure if its worth messing with or if I can just leave it alone or not.

Oh btw do I need that plastic deflector on the engine side of the radiator fans?
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