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Old 01-18-2014, 01:34 PM   #41
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Tire Rack has the Continentals for $484 plus shipping and of course mounting & balancing, so if you can budget about $600-650 then that should cover it.
I got my set through my shop and out the door I paid $550
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:02 AM   #42
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Check into finding a wholesale dealer in your area. I was able to get Cooper RSA-3 tires for something like $90/tire in the stock 225/50-16 size, and Cooper CS4 tires for a Mercury Sable for $15/tire cheaper than anything online (kind of sucks that Tire Rack doesn't sell Cooper tires, not sure about Discount Tire Direct). The CS4 tires are very balanced tires, and do good in snow. The RSA-3 tires aren't quite as good in the snow, but they're very nice all-season tires with a nice tread, and they're quiet.
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Coopers are meh. When I worked at Mavis for awhile, the feedback on them was never usually good. The only decent one was the CS4 Touring, but the ones with V rating never drove as quiet or smooth as the H and T rated ones.

The RSA-3 are okay, but even though they're all seasons, the rubber compound still doesn't like the cold and grip is rather poor in temps below 30*F. Traction in snow and slush is mixed, but I know it's decent on a FWD car.
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Recent purchase (12/28/13) for me was from Discount Tire in MI 48038...
4 Yokohama YK580 225/50/R16's. They had em for $107 ea. 60K tire, they're asymetrical (not directional) which is something I prefer (and has claims to just wear better than a directional) for a car driven on a daily basis. Treadwear is 580 / Traction A / Temp A / Speed Rating V. $107 is a good price to begin with as I've seen em other places, Tirerack, ebay etc. for $150 ea.

Regarding the timing of the purchase it worked in my favor regarding saving a few dollars

* Discount was offering a $30 Visa gift card for purchasing with the Discount Tire CarCareOne card
* Yokohama happened to be offerering a $60 Visa gift card as a manufacturers rebate (both the above were till 31 Dec)
* Had 2 tires on the vehicle that measured 5/32 thread so Discount gave me a $30 "trade-in" for those 2 tires. Other 2 tires didn't measure that well.
* I happen to qualify for a Military discount, Discount Tire offers 5%
* And last but not least I happened to be in the market for another set of 4 tires for another vehicle so Discount offers a 5% multi-car discount

So all said and done, out-the-door cost mounted & balanced for the YK580's $445
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On an odd note, I have Fierce Instinct VRs that came on my stock wheels when I got the car. Never heard of them before but are backed by Goodyear apparently. Still have them on my stock wheels and they do really well in the snow. The GA has gotten out of surprisingly deep snow with them and I'm lowered . Just an FYI if you're looking into cheap but very effective tires.
Also found Fierce Instinct VRs / ZRs under the brand name of Dunlop. So just FYI... Goodyear & Dunlop Tires is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company
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I don't see any good year eagle f1's in the size I need. Also any reason I should consider a size other than the factory size tire?
I skimmed through the posts and it didn't look like anyone answered this question.

Answer is no you cannot put any other size tire on the car than the stock 225 50R 16.

When the car was 3 years old Big O tires had a set of 225 60R 16's BF Goodrich tires on sale for 79.99 a piece when they mounted them on the rim and put them on the car the tire locked up against the lower spring cup on the rear strut and I ended up buying the 225 50R 16's for $130.00 a tire.

Few years after that I tried a 225 55R 16 and the same thing not as bad, but unusable because it rubbed the rear strut.

So from my experience you cannot put any other size tire on the car than original.

As far as recommending a tire that's been covered with some great suggestions. Right now I have Kumo's on it from Discount Tire, they were on sale for $105.00 a piece with a $100.00 rebate prepaid visa card when I bought a set of 4, so I used the $100.00 at Discount to apply towards my Truck Tires which on sale were $189.00 a tire.......Truck tires are so expensive compared to car tires
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I skimmed through the posts and it didn't look like anyone answered this question.

Answer is no you cannot put any other size tire on the car than the stock 225 50R 16.

When the car was 3 years old Big O tires had a set of 225 60R 16's BF Goodrich tires on sale for 79.99 a piece when they mounted them on the rim and put them on the car the tire locked up against the lower spring cup on the rear strut and I ended up buying the 225 50R 16's for $130.00 a tire.

Few years after that I tried a 225 55R 16 and the same thing not as bad, but unusable because it rubbed the rear strut.

So from my experience you cannot put any other size tire on the car than original.

I would have to say... your experience doesn't cover every possible tire size, so you statement isn't true. At least not for everyone. You can fit different size tires on the car. You have to use a tire calculator though and take measurements, and make sure it will fit. I'm not surprised a 225/60-16 rubbed. It's 1.5" taller than stock so you'd have 3/4 inch less clearance all around. I'm surprised a 225/55 rubbed though. I could of sworn I've heard of people running that size before. It's only .8" taller over all so should only have .4" less clearance all around. Tires all have a slightly different profile though, so it could come down to tire differences, and also where they were running stock wheels or aftermarket and what the wheel offset was. I'm running 215/55-17 snow tires on my car which are 1.4" taller and 5/8" less clearance around, but I'm also using 8mm wheel spacers on wheels with a 42mm offset (about stock) so I'm more like a 34mm offset. They just clear everything, but I also took measurements and used an online calculator before I bought them. That's the real key, is do your research before hand.
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I skimmed through the posts and it didn't look like anyone answered this question.

Answer is no you cannot put any other size tire on the car than the stock 225 50R 16.
Not exactly, you can put some 205/55/R16s on :

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Not exactly, you can put some 205/55/R16s on :

Unless the load rating is 91 or higher...the answer is still no.
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I just put a set of continental extreme contact dws's on mine and I must say the have been amazing...
x2 for the Continental DWS tires !!!

I bought for my Mom's Grocery Get'er literally (formerly my old car '99 GA SE2, donated it to her).
Continental ExtremeContact DWS tires.

They were replacing Bridgestone Potenza RE-950 tires before.
She told me she wanted something just as good in the rain, but on a budget.

The DWS were cheaper for me a couple of spring seasons ago, than the Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS tires.

When I got the DWS...I realized I over-bought for my Mom's needs.
My tire guy said, 'You think?' *sarcastically*
But for the price!
I can't complain!!!

W-speed rated, is up to 168 mph

The DWS tires are IMO, not as good in the rain as the Potenza RE-950's...but for the price difference back then ($60 Cdn per tire).
It was a great buy !!!
$150 Cdn per tire installed
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We pay a lot more here in Canada, than the US


Note: I do have winter tires for her though too.

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All season tires are designed to perform well in all weather conditions but not great for high speed or sport performance driving. Performance tires are just that...built for higher speed spirited driving but in return they perform poorly in severe weather conditions or are not rated for winter driving at all.


You try telling me that when you are driving on dry pavement below -4F.
All-season tires generally stop sticking to the road below the temperature of 14F.

Alot of people here driving on all season tires, say they do not need winter tires because they "live in the city".
Don't realize that it also has to do with cold temperature traction.
& then every time it hits this cold...people end up driving off the roads!!!
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To be fair...a front wheel drive car on all seasons doesn't do all that bad. My Honda has been dealin with the nasty cold fronts Long Island's been getting rather well. Dry tarmac with the temps between 0*F and 10*F, I haven't run into a grip issue on the roads, even with the occiasional LI idiot driver making me get hard on the brakes. I have Bridgestone Potenza G-019s on my stock wheels (205/60 R16) and I've been impressed with the amount of grip they're providing in these unusually cold temps for Long Island this winter. Actually having driving skill helps as well.
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To be fair...a front wheel drive car on all seasons doesn't do all that bad. My Honda has been dealin with the nasty cold fronts Long Island's been getting rather well. Dry tarmac with the temps between 0*F and 10*F, I haven't run into a grip issue on the roads, even with the occiasional LI idiot driver making me get hard on the brakes. I have Bridgestone Potenza G-019s on my stock wheels (205/60 R16) and I've been impressed with the amount of grip they're providing in these unusually cold temps for Long Island this winter. Actually having driving skill helps as well.
But imagine if you had A LOT more grip & traction with winter performance tires on your car ?

I have on the GA still: Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22 winter performance tires that H-speed rated.

& had on the G8: Bridgestone Blizzak LM-60 winter performance tires that are H-speed rated.

& on the '14 Camaro SS RS: Pirelli Scorpion Winter, winter performance tires that are H-speed rated...& I minus-1 sized it from stock.


These winter performance tires are not really made for the snow & ice...but will have more traction than all-season tires.
Because they give up some of snow & ice grip, for higher speed ratings to drive/perform better on cold/wet pavements...& the rubber tread lasts a lot longer because of it (not being so soft).
Winter tires rubber are rated down to -40C/F temps.

But will provide better traction than any all-season performance tire, below 7C/45F.


PS: Note, some all-seasons tires do better than others in the cold or snow.

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But imagine if you had A LOT more grip & traction with winter performance tires on your car ?

I have on the GA still: Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22 winter performance tires that H-speed rated.

& had on the G8: Bridgestone Blizzak LM-60 winter performance tires that are H-speed rated.

& on the '14 Camaro SS RS: Pirelli Scorpion Winter, winter performance tires that are H-speed rated...& I minus-1 sized it from stock.


These winter performance tires are not really made for the snow & ice...but will have more traction than all-season tires.
Because they give up some of snow & ice grip, for higher speed ratings to drive/perform better on cold/wet pavements...& the rubber tread lasts a lot longer because of it (not being so soft).
Winter tires rubber are rated down to -40C/F temps.

But will provide better traction than any all-season performance tire, below 7C/45F.


PS: Note, some all-seasons tires do better than others in the cold or snow.
I've never had snow tires on any of my cars, I've never been in cold, snowy conditions where I wish I had them either. Winters where I live are mild for the most part, this cold hasn't really given me trouble as far as traction goes regardless.

Again, I really think it depends on the car for the NEED of snow tires. A car like your Camaro, a G8, a BMW...those will be benefit from them greatly. A small to midsize FWD can be fine under normal driving conditions from my years of driving. My Grand Am had a set of 215/60 R15 Khumo Solus Xpert KH20s on my steelies for winter, those had stupid good traction in the snow and slush, never felt uneasy in cold temps either. Even with that horrific blizzard last year, my Grand Am was a tank mowing through 8-9" of snow in my neighborhood trying to get home that night.
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I've never had snow tires on any of my cars, I've never been in cold, snowy conditions where I wish I had them either. Winters where I live are mild for the most part, this cold hasn't really given me trouble as far as traction goes regardless.

Again, I really think it depends on the car for the NEED of snow tires. A car like your Camaro, a G8, a BMW...those will be benefit from them greatly. A small to midsize FWD can be fine under normal driving conditions from my years of driving. My Grand Am had a set of 215/60 R15 Khumo Solus Xpert KH20s on my steelies for winter, those had stupid good traction in the snow and slush, never felt uneasy in cold temps either. Even with that horrific blizzard last year, my Grand Am was a tank mowing through 8-9" of snow in my neighborhood trying to get home that night.
I've always had winter tires on all my rides...even if though I live in the city that has good plowing & salt service.

The traction difference is like night & day between all-season & winter tires.
Even bought winter tires for my Mom's rides.

& notice I don't go for the winter hard core snow & ice tires?
It is because I am in the city away from the "snow belt" outside the city.
& I buy winter performance tires for cold temp traction & good handling on bare & wet pavement.
(I had before winter hard core snow & ice tires...& hated them in the dry & wet cold pavement...but awesome in/during bad snow storms)

Example when you are driving the GA on all-season tires...& the Low Trac light comes on.
It would take a lot more slipperier to make it happen with winter tires.
You just have more control because you have more traction...for braking before lockup, turning, & acceleration.

Even converted some, who now swear by winter tires too.


But as long as it works for you...is all that is important

But keep in mind there are better options in the winter time then all-season tires.
The colder it is...the better traction the winter tires will have over all-season tires.

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Oh, I never mentioned...I always kept the traction control off. I felt much more in control with that useless system off.

Traction control systems aren't all bad, but GM cheaped out on the system for the GA. F that noise.
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You try telling me that when you are driving on dry pavement below -4F.
All-season tires generally stop sticking to the road below the temperature of 14F.

Alot of people here driving on all season tires, say they do not need winter tires because they "live in the city".
Don't realize that it also has to do with cold temperature traction.
& then every time it hits this cold...people end up driving off the roads!!!
Now we weren't discussing WINTER tires here or driving in sub-zero degree Canadian weather now were we..? That's a different subject matter entirely and where I happen to live all season tires are just fine for all season driving including winter.
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Now we weren't discussing WINTER tires here or driving in sub-zero degree Canadian weather now were we..? That's a different subject matter entirely and where I happen to live all season tires are just fine for all season driving including winter.
A few things:

1. You don't know more about this subject than MJ, don't even try. He doesn't use attitude to pwn anyone, he uses logic and facts. Research him on here ya damn n00b.

2. I live in Chicago, yes just a tad bit north of you, but certainly not Canada. We've been hitting negative temps for weeks now, bottoming out at -40*, so his advice stands. Cut the crap.

3. Dedicated winter tires and dedicated summer tires will get you the best performance year round. All weather tires are a cheap alternative for people with tight wallets. There is a reason most European countries have mandated by law that all citizens use dedicated winter tires in the winter months.

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1. You don't know more about this subject than MJ, don't even try. He doesn't use attitude to pwn anyone, he uses logic and facts. Research him on here ya damn n00b.

2. I live in Chicago, yes just a tad bit north of you, but certainly not Canada. We've been hitting negative temps for weeks now, bottoming out at -40*, so his advice stands. Cut the crap.
The immaturity level you display in your post is evident....enough said.
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I appreciate all the information everyone has given me. I think I have for sure narrowed it down to either the Continental Extreme DWS or the Hankook Ventus S1 Noble2. despite what everyone has said about going with the DWS I think I am leaning toward the S1. I can find bad reviews on any tire obviously.

As far as where to buy... Ive not found anywhere local that has much. I still need to do some more checking. But I have found another site called Onlinetires.com, now I personally have never heard of the site but then again I'm not a tire guru like others. Was wondering if anyone has heard of them and if they would be credible.

The Hankooks are $90.00 from Tirerack and only $76.74 from Onlinetires.
The Continentals are $121.00 on Tirerack and only $106.07 from Onlinetires.

Now the shipping cost is a little less from tirerack but its not enough to offset the sale price difference of the tires. I know my dad always used Continentals on his motorcycle when he had it and was always happy with them.

If any one has any experience with the Ventus tires please let me know it seems there are a lot of people that have experience with the DWS and have been very pleased. I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two if I were able to use both. I have read a lot of reviews that said the sidewalls on the Hankooks are rather soft and you can feel it in the corners.

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