Polish? Wax? Here are some answers for you... - Page 2

chill03sct · 02-01-2004, 03:21 PM

im a automotive detailer, and the best things to use are polishes. most wax's are abrasive and most polishes like zaino (which i recommend) are very good protection for the paint and non abrasive. also, one thing to keep away from those darn scratches you always encounter, when you are drying off a vehicle (by hand) make sure the cotton towel you use is not completely dry, this will cause more scratches to occur and simply leaving the cloth a lil bit damp can help with that problem. another thing some people have trouble with is there headlights and fog's tend to get that cloudy look and film over them, one way to keep that away is to polish the lenses also, leaving the polish on each lense for 10 min or so then gently whiping off with slightly damp cloth. if i can help anyone with any more questions pm me or state them below, i will try my best to help!

chris

OneQuickGT1 · 02-01-2004, 04:02 PM

First of all, a polish is usually much more abrasive than a wax, so I am a little confused as to where you got the idea that a polish is abrasive. Zaino is called a polish, but in reality is really a polymer protectant. A polish, as stated earlier, is for removing scratches and other impurities, and a wax is for protection. Also, NOTHING wrong with using a completely dry towel. The problem most people run into is not using 100% cotton towels. Any other questions or whatnot, please PM me. I am always happy to help!

Brett

chill03sct · 02-01-2004, 06:33 PM

wax's have been proven to be abrasive. i find that useing a polish like zaino gives my car a much better shine and protects better than a wax. although the wax will last longer, the polish is better for the surface of the vehicle. paint cleaners are used to cover up the impurities of a auto's surface, more so than a polish which is used for shine and clear coat protection. and its been proven that using a completely dry towel is not as good as using a slightly moist one, i never said it was bad for it to be dry i said it produces more scratches!!! if you desire less scratches and impurities on your vehicles surface, you will take this advice and use one that is slightly moist. not to try and prove you wrong, but you should try this brett, it really helps and prevents any surface from getting scratched. and what you had said about using the 100% cotton towel, you are so very correct! like you had said thats where most people run into problems. pm brett or myself for any questions on detailing, after all... we are professionals

chris

OneQuickGT1 · 02-01-2004, 06:55 PM

I'm going to lock this thread soon, not because it's turning into anything nasty, rather I meant it more as a read only. Anyway...I really think you are missing the point of a polish. A TRUE polish is not made to protect, rather it is used to remove imperfections and enhance gloss. Zaino, like I said, is a PROTECTANT. Waxes, well, they may not protect as long, but they will give you a different type of appearance, which many people find more pleasing. Also, a pure wax is NOT abrasive at all. A cleaner wax may be abrasive, but not a pure wax.

Regarding the towels....I have used dry towels and wet towels, and trust me, there is little difference in the amount of swirls, scratches, etc. 100% pure cotton will not scratch in 99% of the cases we use them.

Cliffnotes.....A polish is just that, a polish; which is used to enhance gloss and remove or hide imperfections. Zaino may be called a polish, but other than Z5, it is a protectant. Traditional polishes offer little to no protection. Wax is Wax, bottom line, and is used to protect. There are also polymers which protect, and those are just synthetic versions of waxes. Again...Waxes that are cleaner waxes MAY be abrasive, but pure waxes are not.

This is not to start a fight by any means...I will be ****y and say I know my stuff. My business and my personal vehicles speak for themselves.

Just my $.02...

Brett

chill03sct · 02-01-2004, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OneQuickGT1
My business and my personal vehicles speak for themselves.

Brett

as do mine... this is a good thread brett, and its a good thing you posted this for the detailing "impaired"... everyone does need to know the right and best way to get that show car shine, you have your preferences and i have mine. good luck with everything and the best to you and your business!

chris

02-01-2004, 03:21 PM	#21
chill03sct ShowMeStates Finest! AKA: Chris Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MO Age: 39 Posts: 185 Vehicle: 03' FOM GT SC/T 2dr	im a automotive detailer, and the best things to use are polishes. most wax's are abrasive and most polishes like zaino (which i recommend) are very good protection for the paint and non abrasive. also, one thing to keep away from those darn scratches you always encounter, when you are drying off a vehicle (by hand) make sure the cotton towel you use is not completely dry, this will cause more scratches to occur and simply leaving the cloth a lil bit damp can help with that problem. another thing some people have trouble with is there headlights and fog's tend to get that cloudy look and film over them, one way to keep that away is to polish the lenses also, leaving the polish on each lense for 10 min or so then gently whiping off with slightly damp cloth. if i can help anyone with any more questions pm me or state them below, i will try my best to help! chris __________________ 14.7x @ 93 mph (<<back in july) >

02-01-2004, 04:02 PM	#22
OneQuickGT1 Detailing Fanatic AKA: Brett Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Homer Glen, Illinois Age: 41 Posts: 416 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	First of all, a polish is usually much more abrasive than a wax, so I am a little confused as to where you got the idea that a polish is abrasive. Zaino is called a polish, but in reality is really a polymer protectant. A polish, as stated earlier, is for removing scratches and other impurities, and a wax is for protection. Also, NOTHING wrong with using a completely dry towel. The problem most people run into is not using 100% cotton towels. Any other questions or whatnot, please PM me. I am always happy to help! Brett __________________ Love the GTO, but I still miss the GAGT...sometimes

02-01-2004, 06:33 PM	#23
chill03sct ShowMeStates Finest! AKA: Chris Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MO Age: 39 Posts: 185 Vehicle: 03' FOM GT SC/T 2dr	wax's have been proven to be abrasive. i find that useing a polish like zaino gives my car a much better shine and protects better than a wax. although the wax will last longer, the polish is better for the surface of the vehicle. paint cleaners are used to cover up the impurities of a auto's surface, more so than a polish which is used for shine and clear coat protection. and its been proven that using a completely dry towel is not as good as using a slightly moist one, i never said it was bad for it to be dry i said it produces more scratches!!! if you desire less scratches and impurities on your vehicles surface, you will take this advice and use one that is slightly moist. not to try and prove you wrong, but you should try this brett, it really helps and prevents any surface from getting scratched. and what you had said about using the 100% cotton towel, you are so very correct! like you had said thats where most people run into problems. pm brett or myself for any questions on detailing, after all... we are professionals chris __________________ 14.7x @ 93 mph (<<back in july) > Last edited by chill03sct; 02-01-2004 at 06:36 PM.

02-01-2004, 06:55 PM	#24
OneQuickGT1 Detailing Fanatic AKA: Brett Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Homer Glen, Illinois Age: 41 Posts: 416 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	I'm going to lock this thread soon, not because it's turning into anything nasty, rather I meant it more as a read only. Anyway...I really think you are missing the point of a polish. A TRUE polish is not made to protect, rather it is used to remove imperfections and enhance gloss. Zaino, like I said, is a PROTECTANT. Waxes, well, they may not protect as long, but they will give you a different type of appearance, which many people find more pleasing. Also, a pure wax is NOT abrasive at all. A cleaner wax may be abrasive, but not a pure wax. Regarding the towels....I have used dry towels and wet towels, and trust me, there is little difference in the amount of swirls, scratches, etc. 100% pure cotton will not scratch in 99% of the cases we use them. Cliffnotes.....A polish is just that, a polish; which is used to enhance gloss and remove or hide imperfections. Zaino may be called a polish, but other than Z5, it is a protectant. Traditional polishes offer little to no protection. Wax is Wax, bottom line, and is used to protect. There are also polymers which protect, and those are just synthetic versions of waxes. Again...Waxes that are cleaner waxes MAY be abrasive, but pure waxes are not. This is not to start a fight by any means...I will be ****y and say I know my stuff. My business and my personal vehicles speak for themselves. Just my $.02... Brett __________________ Love the GTO, but I still miss the GAGT...sometimes

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