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Old 02-15-2019, 02:19 PM   #1
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OK, well I promised a huge sale this time around, and here's what I've got for you this year …

MMS Turbo Kits - 10% off
MMS Transmission Rebuilds - 10% off
MMS F40 Transmission conversion - 10% off
MMS 4t65eHD Transmission Conversion - 10% off
MMS N-body headers - $150 off (15+% off)
MMS tubular rear cradles - 21% off
MMS rear suspension arms - 17% off


We've also got some new products we've been working on, but being that I'm trying to launch a sale on a Friday, which is my most hectic day of the week, I didn't have a chance to get all the details and pictures ready for the website, but I'll tell you about them anyways, and we're gonna add them up to the site very soon.

MMS M90 Supercharger Kits for 3100/3400/3500 powered vehicles - We've been secretly working on this for a while, making a custom intake manifold which is the key component of the kit, allowing you to bolt a Grand Prix style Eaton M90 onto a 60 degree V6 engine. We're gonna offer a few different options, which I'll explain the details later, but the base kit will come with a Gen III Eaton M90 and every part needed to bolt it onto a Grand Am for a little under $3k. When I say every part, I'm including the new parts for the belt system, fuel injectors, fuel pump, PCM tune, etc. We're also going to have options for a Gen V Eaton M90, NorthStar 75mm throttle body, intercooler kits, and many other products.

MMS Nitrous Kits for 3100/3400/3500 engines - We've just about got this wrapped up, but I need to add together all the costs for the misc parts needed, but this is a wet nitrous system custom made for the Grand Am/Alero/Cutlass/etc. It will be a 150 shot system using primarily NOS brand components, and some custom made bracketry, plumbing, and wiring, and features a MMS exclusive nitrous plate based off the 3500 throttle body flange. This nitrous plate will very efficiently atomize the nitrous and the fuel injected out of the plate located directly behind the throttle body. This is not a cheap kit with cheap components, it features the NOS components you want including the higher quality solenoids, the nice metallic blue anodized signature NOS bottle, etc. I still have to calculate the exact pricing of the complete kit. We're also going to have options for accessories like bottle heaters, remote openers, purge kits made for Grand Ams, switch panels, etc.

Group Buys - As you may have seen on the forums, we're trying to get a couple of group buys going for various products, and we've included some of these in the sales above. In addition to these, we also are doing group buys for:

MMS N-body front and rear sway bars - $250 for the front only, and $400 for the front and rear combo. We'll need about 15 buyers to move forward on these.

MMS aluminum roller rockers for 3100/3400/3500 engines. These are not rockers from a small block chevy or some other V8 that we're rigging to work in a 60 degree V6. These are custom-made high quality brand new rocker arms we're designing for the engine. They'll feature components of anodized aluminum and heat-treated chromemoly with high quality bearings. They'll be precision designed to be a direct replacement for the stock rockers, and we'll be designing them to retain the factory length pushrod lengths rather than requiring new pushrods for them. We're going to initially offer them in two different ratios: 1.60 (stock) and 1.90 (which will increase your valve lift by about 19%). If you are using one of our cams, you'll want the 1.6's as our cams are already maxed out on lift. We are also contemplating making adjustable rocker arms to allow fine tuning of the lifter pre-load. Pricing will be $500 per set for non-adjustable rocker arms, and we will need 10 orders of each ratio to make that ratio. (Once we have 10 orders of one ratio, then we can make that ratio)


So I think that's about everything. I'll let you know when I've got some more information about the new products, or if I decide to offer anything else. Enjoy!
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Old 02-15-2019, 04:05 PM   #2
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I want real rocker arms..but oooofffff, $500 is steep. I cant think of 10 owners willing to drop that kinda cash. Count me a a "Highly Interested"
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Old 02-16-2019, 06:07 AM   #3
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OK, well I promised a huge sale this time around, and here's what I've got for you this year …

MMS M90 Supercharger Kits for 3100/3400/3500 powered vehicles - We've been secretly working on this for a while, making a custom intake manifold which is the key component of the kit, allowing you to bolt a Grand Prix style Eaton M90 onto a 60 degree V6 engine. We're gonna offer a few different options, which I'll explain the details later, but the base kit will come with a Gen III Eaton M90 and every part needed to bolt it onto a Grand Am for a little under $3k. When I say every part, I'm including the new parts for the belt system, fuel injectors, fuel pump, PCM tune, etc. We're also going to have options for a Gen V Eaton M90, NorthStar 75mm throttle body, intercooler kits, and many other products.
Does it require any hood modifications? Upper or lower intake manifold? Interesting in seeing the final product.
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Old 02-17-2019, 09:37 PM   #4
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Why not just do a 1.7 rocker? The 1.9 is really only good on a stock cam, even then you should upgrade the valve springs when you are increasing the valve lift to .500+
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:28 AM   #5
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I want real rocker arms..but oooofffff, $500 is steep. I cant think of 10 owners willing to drop that kinda cash. Count me a a "Highly Interested"
This is not a small block chevy engine. The 3400 was not in production for 30+ years and installed into every vehicle through that span. The 3100/3400 LA1 ran from 1994 to 2005 and installed into minivans, light SUV's, base-model mid-sized cars, and top of the line compact mid-sized cars. Furthermore, out of everyone in the world who has these engines, not many people are into performance parts, just us crazy bunch of guys on this and a couple other websites. So like all my other products, everything is priced based off the quantity we make it at. We're talking about a group buy of 10 sets. LS rockers are made in quantities of hundreds or thousands of sets. I bet jegs sells 50 sets of those a day alone, and guess what, those sell on Jegs for $400-600 per set, with some really highend versions encroaching $2000. So for a first batch run of just 10 sets, you really think $500 is inflated? Even the 3800 market's roller rockers are $460 a set, and there have been thousands sold.


Here's another way to look at it, cost of manufacturing, which is a main reason for the price tag. The good news is at 10 sets, that's still 120 pieces, so we're atleast a little ahead of the curve on getting into a reasonable quantity as far as machine shops are concerned. This helps bearing costs, material, etc, and helps spread the development cost over more pieces. Even still $500 bucks is $41.67 for each rocker assembly. I pay about $8 a piece to anodize supercharger pullies. I'm guessing it's going to cost about $5 a piece to anodize each rocker arm. There's the material for the rockers which has gone up quite a bit in the last year due to importing costs since Canada is a major source for aluminum, and there are big tariffs. The rocker arm body will take about 6 operations to machine by a CNC mill, each with it's own setup, and custom soft-jaws need to be made to hold the rocker body, probably a few different sets. The roller tip will be chromemoly, as will the shaft the rocker rotates on. Chromemoly is about 7 times the price of steel. It's also pretty hard, and takes more effort to machine. The pivot shaft will need atleast 2 operations on a CNC lathe, plus another op on a mill. Then there is the pedestal. Again, I'd go with chromemoly on this one Each one will require atleast 3 operations with special tooling, or more operations with standard tooling. As I stated, each different op has a setup cost, and they all add up. Lets not forget the chromemoly cup that receives the push-rod, the roller tip, pins, snap-rings, bolts, etc needed to finish the rocker arm, plus heat-treating on all the chromemoly parts, plus grinding on the pivot shaft and tip, plus the engraving or lazer etching we'd do afterward to label it. If you add up the material cost, tooling costs, design time, machining labor, additional processes, and finishing work, I think you'll see that $41.67 will get spent very quickly, especially when you consider an average machine shop's rate it typically $50+ per hour.


As I said, everything is in the quantity. If we can get 50 orders of the same ratio up front, I can probably get the price down to $435-450 per set. I just don't see that happening.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:39 AM   #6
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Does it require any hood modifications? Upper or lower intake manifold? Interesting in seeing the final product.
Yes, it will require hood modification. The supercharger will stick through the hood. Not my first choice, but for people that want a good sized supercharger for a budget cost, it's the only way to do it.

The intake we're building is an upper intake. It will be very easy to install, and will fit all the vehicles with the standard 3400 upper intake bolt-pattern (including large-port 3100's and LX9 3500's). If we did a lower intake instead, the cost would go up quite a bit, probably a couple thousand, and we'd save maybe 2.5" in height, but that's still not enough to keep the blower from sticking out the hood, which is why I opted for this method.

I may do some experimenting with an SCT hood to see if we can do some cosmetic surgery on it to lift up the nostrils and cowl of the hood to clear the blower, and then try to make the lines all look good again. I'm going to try to make this as user-friendly as possible, so I've thought about offering this special hood as an optional upgrade, and hope to come up with a good pattern to send to the customers so they know where exactly to cut the hood perfectly.

I know it's crazy all this talk about superchargers sticking through the hood, but I had enough customers tell me that's what they wanted, so I'm building it. I'm waiting to see how it looks when done right, but what I'm really excited to see are the results.
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Why not just do a 1.7 rocker? The 1.9 is really only good on a stock cam, even then you should upgrade the valve springs when you are increasing the valve lift to .500+

I mentioned 3800 rockers earlier in the thread. Those also have a 1.6 ratio from the factory. I've been installing rocker arms on 3800's for 17 years now. I've sold a lot, and 1.9 and 1.6 are the top-selling ratios. 1.9 is great for guys not wanting to do a cam, and honestly, I think a lot of you guys would really like a mod like that to do at the same time as you fix a leaking intake gasket, to pick up a big gain without having to get into the engine any deeper than that. 1.6 is great for guys running a cam. Our cams are so big that if you combined even a 1.7 rocker, you'd have to jump up on the stage in the heads.

Stock lift is about 430
Stage 1 is 507
Stage 2 is 563
Stage 3 is 606

1.7 numbers
stock 457
Stage 1 539 - this would exceed the limits of the LS6 springs and the stock valvesprings
Stage 2 598 - this would technically work with the Stage 2 heads we make, but now you'll have to clearance the pistons for the valves (like we do for our stage 3 cam)
Stage 3 644 - this would require even more clearancing of the pistons - a pocket will have to be machined into the piston about 100 thousandths deep. I'm not sure if that would run into the rings, or how much meat that would leave left. 125 thousandths is an 1/8"

Meanwhile 1.9 rockers on a stock cam would be about 510 lift, which is just about the same as our Stage 1 cam.

We may do 1.7 or 1.8 or both in the future, for now I just thought it would be best to start with the most popular ratios in order to have the greatest success getting a group buy started.
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Yes, it will require hood modification. The supercharger will stick through the hood. Not my first choice, but for people that want a good sized supercharger for a budget cost, it's the only way to do it.

The intake we're building is an upper intake. It will be very easy to install, and will fit all the vehicles with the standard 3400 upper intake bolt-pattern (including large-port 3100's and LX9 3500's). If we did a lower intake instead, the cost would go up quite a bit, probably a couple thousand, and we'd save maybe 2.5" in height, but that's still not enough to keep the blower from sticking out the hood, which is why I opted for this method.

I may do some experimenting with an SCT hood to see if we can do some cosmetic surgery on it to lift up the nostrils and cowl of the hood to clear the blower, and then try to make the lines all look good again. I'm going to try to make this as user-friendly as possible, so I've thought about offering this special hood as an optional upgrade, and hope to come up with a good pattern to send to the customers so they know where exactly to cut the hood perfectly.

I know it's crazy all this talk about superchargers sticking through the hood, but I had enough customers tell me that's what they wanted, so I'm building it. I'm waiting to see how it looks when done right, but what I'm really excited to see are the results.
Good luck, this one has been on eBay for well over a year.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-4L-Grand-...4AAOSwi6RbNA87
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Yes, it will require hood modification. The supercharger will stick through the hood. Not my first choice, but for people that want a good sized supercharger for a budget cost, it's the only way to do it.

The intake we're building is an upper intake. It will be very easy to install, and will fit all the vehicles with the standard 3400 upper intake bolt-pattern (including large-port 3100's and LX9 3500's). If we did a lower intake instead, the cost would go up quite a bit, probably a couple thousand, and we'd save maybe 2.5" in height, but that's still not enough to keep the blower from sticking out the hood, which is why I opted for this method.

I may do some experimenting with an SCT hood to see if we can do some cosmetic surgery on it to lift up the nostrils and cowl of the hood to clear the blower, and then try to make the lines all look good again. I'm going to try to make this as user-friendly as possible, so I've thought about offering this special hood as an optional upgrade, and hope to come up with a good pattern to send to the customers so they know where exactly to cut the hood perfectly.

I know it's crazy all this talk about superchargers sticking through the hood, but I had enough customers tell me that's what they wanted, so I'm building it. I'm waiting to see how it looks when done right, but what I'm really excited to see are the results.
I wonder if you’d be able to duplicate my supercharger Intake, it already has a intercooler inside of it....
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