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Old 05-31-2011, 01:00 AM   #141
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............If I delete my Cat, EVAP, or EGR will I still be considered on this list? They are all technically illegal "street" modifications...... .
Not necessarily illegal, some of that depends on where you live.
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Not necessarily illegal, some of that depends on where you live.
Where I live, they are all illegal.
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Old 05-31-2011, 01:50 AM   #143
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Where I live, they are all illegal.
Well, I would say, you could delete the evap and EGR and take it to the track, and when at the track, take the muffler off. (I would say take the CAT off, too, but that's not usually practical)
Since Aaron stated in Post#1:
"It doesn't necessarily have to be registered, but it should be able to be registered."
That doesn't specify where it must be able to be registered.
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So I have to register my car in a state that allows no emissons? Thats very...very silly.
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So I have to register my car in a state that allows no emissons? Thats very...very silly.
That's not at all what I said, now, is it?

It's up to Aaron, but with the post-skimming and misreading Y'all do, I don't see why he should bother with it.
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Old 05-31-2011, 12:13 PM   #146
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The list is for 3400 Grand AMs (and 4cyl). Adding a 3500 top end no longer makes it a true 3400.

If you would like to make a list of 1/4 mile times for Grand AM shells with any motor and in any form, then I dont think anyone will stop you. Knock yourself out and stop complaining.

As far as the emissions rules, if your car can be registered in a state, like MI, where you do not have to have your car tested, then your car should be OK.
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Old 05-31-2011, 12:14 PM   #147
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That's not at all what I said, now, is it?

It's up to Aaron, but with the post-skimming and misreading Y'all do, I don't see why he should bother with it.
I agree. Please read everything before posting.
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My initial question still stands.

When I do a 3500 swap, will my times still count on this list?
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Old 05-31-2011, 05:34 PM   #151
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I'm making a new thread since the old one is cluttered and never gets updated. I've been here for a long time and I'm not going anywhere anytime soon, so this one WILL get updated. If a mod could sticky this that would be awesome.

Now lets get down to business. The purpose of this thread is threefold.
1) To show what Grand Am's are capable of.
2) To acknowledge the accomplishments of those who make them faster.
3) To motivate others to try and break some records.

The rules are simple.
-I will accept times for any 1998 and up n-body. That includes Alero's and Malibu's if any of them wish to send me the info. They are basically the same platform and same weight, and use the same engines and transmissions, so I see no reason to exclude them. The performance of their cars should be similar to a Grand Am stock vs stock.
-The car must be street drivable. It doesn't necessarily have to be registered, but it should be able to be registered.
-You can use any transmission you want. If you can swap it in and make it work, go for it. Engines however need to be something that came in the car. We want to know to know what these engines will do. You can make hybrids with parts from other engines (ie. 3400/3500 or 2.3/2.4 hybrids etc.), but no complete engine swaps will count. That means NO 3800's, no LS1's, no jet turbines... whatever.
-There will be four categories now. Naturally aspirated, turbo, supercharged, and nitrous. There are enough turbo and SC'd guys now that they can be split up.
-No classes for tires. If you want to go faster, tire choice is part of your setup. If you use drag radials or slicks that will be noted next to your time though, along with your engine and trans if necessary, just to give people some perspective of what was used to achieve it. If you use more than one power adder that will also be noted (ie. alcohol injection or nitrous along with turbo or SC).
-Sorry, no altitude adjustment. You run what you run.
-I'll do my best to gather info and links from the previous thread. Long time members that we know with previously accepted records will be grandfathered in. Any newcomers or people with "questionable" claims or background will need to show more proof. A picture of your time slip and a pic of your car with the number on it at the track should be a minimum. If you can't provide those, you have no business on the internet. Video is even better, as long as we can recognize your car and see the timing board at the end. Links to your cars mods are also appreciated but not required (cardomain page or equivalent is fine). On to the good stuff!


*Special Mention - Dedicated drag car*
MilzyZ34 - 12.317 @ 110.38 - slip car (turbo 3400, 4T65E-HD, slicks, wheelie bar, cage, no interior, etc)

Top Turbo ET's
1) Spyhunter - 12.413@ 112.3mph. slip *2.4L power! (slicks, 100 octane)
2) Schweppe23 - 12.940 @ 108.23 MPH (slicks)
3) angrysk8r - 13.347 @ 112.41 - slip
4) tejohnson - 13.475 @ 108.43 - slip
5) XtremeGaGt00 - 13.683 @ 100.34 - slip
6) zukiracer19 - 14.139 @ 103.09 - slip
7) deek00 - 14.19 @ 97.19 MPH - slip


Top Supercharged ET's
1) AleroB888 - 13.093 @ 101.04 - slip (slicks, intercooled)
2) whiteboy572ci - 13.471 @ 105.49 - slip (+nitrous) *switched to turbo, but sold car before getting times
3) Schweppe23 - 13.525 @ 102.64 MPH - Schweppe Runs New PB @MGM (+alky, DR's) *before he switched to turbo
4) SPAZ - 13.73 @ 102.70 MPH - slip (+nitrous) *best run 14.6 off the bottle
5) AaronGTR - 13.788 @ 103.73 MPH - slip
6) N2O-OLDS - 13.838 @ 98.09 MPH - slip (DR's, intercooled)
7) IrateWS6 - 14.01 @ 96.85 MPH
8) Rydog - 14.141 @ 101.40 MPH (+nitrous)
9) Jaketuff - 14.34 @ 93.38
10) Monello - 14.37 @ 96.06

*honorable mention*
lastyear4gt - 14.48 @ 95.33 MPH - slip
Knappy1 - 14.55 @ 90.62 - slip (DR's)
aleroboy - 14.618 @ 93.93 MPH (intercooled)
KmanGT1 - 14.82 @ 93.30 MPH
AMRAAM4 - 14.93 @ 89.88 MPH


Top Nitrous ET's
1) PACE - 13.86 @ 96.10 MPH
2) botlfed - 13.92 @ 96.52 MPH
3) PontiacGT2K - 14.08 @ 95 MPH
4) FOURTEEN3GT - 14.382 @ 98.94 MPH (apparently not a member here anymore)
5) Dr_Kyle - 14.66 @ 94.82 MPH


Top NA ET's
1) Xenolith - 13.991 @ 99.13 MPH - slip
2) xxbackhillxx - 14.018 @ 98.62 - slip
3) MMGT1 - 14.138 @ 100.25
4) Redog - 14.539 @ 91.94 MPH - slip
5) Pucci - 14.749 @ 91.05 MPH - slip
6) lone_wolf025 - 14.841@91.56 - slip
7) slowbird - 14.860 @ 90.86 MPH - slip
8) kubiache - 14.864 @ 92.61 MPH
9) Sorry Officer - 14.870 @ 92.01 MPH
10) coupe - 14.907 @ 90.87 MPH - slip


*honorable mention*
jackal2000 - 14.909 @ 92.79 MPH - slip
2002GT - 14.910 @ 93.08 MPH
Blackrider - 14.966 @ 90.31 MPH - slip
ViperGTSR - 14.968 @ 90.96 MPH
Gold99HO - 14.979 @ 90.16 MPH - slip
speak03 - 14.98 @ 91.45 MPH - slip
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Old 05-31-2011, 05:42 PM   #152
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My initial question still stands.

When I do a 3500 swap, will my times still count on this list?

No. If you do a top end swap yes, but not a full engine. I think I was fairly clear about that earlier. It must be based on a production block that the car could be bought with from the factory.

Removing the cat is illegal in all 50 states based on federal emissions laws. It doesn't make much power difference and I never recommend removing it to anyone on here. You can use an exhaust cutout if you want to that badly, that's what I do at the track. If I happened to know that someone was running without a cat, then I'd have to say they aren't street legal and wouldn't be considered, but if I don't know what mods they have then there's nothing I can do about it.

Removing the EGR and PCV however is only illegal based on state emissions laws to the best of my knowledge. And anyway neither one of those will actually gain you any HP, and the PCV system is actually beneficial for the car while not reducing power at all so I always prefer to see people still running it.

Removing air bags isn't illegal either and the weight loss is negligible. Besides, removing weight per-se isn't prohibited, but no one on here wants to compete with a completely gutted race car because no one would drive one on the street like that. We'd rather see people take the time and effort to find creative ways to reduce weight while keeping the car functional rather than just stripping it out. That's the kind of thing that advances the community, because any idiot can strip a car.


bottom line is... it's my list and my rules. I tried to make it fair and logical for the "grassroots" racer who is modifying their car so they can compare their results against others with similar mods so they can see what works and what you need to go fast. That's it. If you don't like it, make your own list. Or better yet go pester someone on some other forum. Seriously, you cry more than anyone I know.
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:41 PM   #153
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Virtually all racing classes or organizations end up like this - everybody starts Yunicking the rules, so the sanctioning body starts allowing such-and-such, and then the whole thing snowballs. Take the NMCA Fastest Street Car Shootout from the 90's: we started out with real guys using BBCs and 10.5 tires and backhalf american iron clicking off 9's on ingenuity and N20, just hoping for bragging rights or a photo in a car mag. Fast forward a couple years, and all the sudden it's a full-tube/Lexan/Lenco/pro-built-motor-or-stay-home kinda party. Remember Mike Moran's quad-turbo monster Camaro? Not really a "street car" shootout anymore when a bunch of sponsored cars show up with the license plates zip-tied to the wheelie bars. People stopped caring because the whole thing had lost the good-ole boy, run whatcha brung spirit and the original intent.

Long story short, the guy that wants to bend the rules never means any harm, but if nobody ever draws a line and holds to it, sooner or later (and usually sooner) the whole thing has changed direction so drastically that it becomes meaningless to keep comparing new guys' contributions with the original guys' efforts.
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bottom line is... it's my list and my rules. I tried to make it fair and logical for the "grassroots" racer who is modifying their car so they can compare their results against others with similar mods so they can see what works and what you need to go fast. That's it. If you don't like it, make your own list. Or better yet go pester someone on some other forum. Seriously, you cry more than anyone I know.
So, everyone that is doing a 3500 swap is not "grassroots"? There are lots of people who are doing it, and not everyone who is doing it is a professonal racer by any means.

I don't have to pester someone on another forum. Other Grand Am forums have very straight forward rules that don't need to be questioned before any modification is done to the car.

I want to try and keep my car within the rules of this forum because I believe it is still a more "performance" oriented forum than any other N-Body or Grand Am forum. So asking if a 3500 swap is elligible for placing on this car is a valid question to ask, and not complaining. I've seen exceptions made to this list because of the moderators bias or personal feelings, and I don't really think that is fair to anyone. Having one person moderate almost a whole community never really works. The owners of this website really aren't around anymore, so we kind of all listen to Aaron and that is all this website is. Last time I checked it wasn't "AaronsGrandAmGT.com".

I'm looking to do big things with my car that can benefit the community, and I'm trying to share that with GT.

If my car isn't considered on this list, then I guess it really isn't a Grand Am then because it doesn't have a factory engine. Just like all s13/14 SR/RB swapped 240's aren't 240's anymore.

Why not make a 3500 category if you feel that it is really a big deal to allow 3500's on the list? Lots and lots of people are doing them, so its not like a one off crazy LS swap (BettyRacer). It is grassroots and relevant to this community moving forward and not sitting in silly 3400 land.
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How about we compomise and say displacement is limited to 213ci. This keeps the 3500 swappers happy, but disallows big bore (ala 3900) or stroker builds (I know there's 1 or 2 floating around).
Hell, every sactioning body has limits on engine size to keep the playing field level.
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How about we compomise and say displacement is limited to 213ci. This keeps the 3500 swappers happy, but disallows big bore (ala 3900) or stroker builds (I know there's 1 or 2 floating around).
Hell, every sactioning body has limits on engine size to keep the playing field level.
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How about you shut the hell up and stop crying like a big baby? I haven't made any exceptions for anyone... except your buddy Milzy who I wasn't even going to put on the list since his car didn't qualify and I made up a whole new category for him because he was all butt hurt.

There still aren't that many people who have done full 3500 swaps yet that they are common. Certainly not as many as there are 240 owners who have swapped SR20's, so that is a retard comparison. If enough people do 3500 swaps and want a category then I may add one for them. It is up to MY discretion... not yours. And this has nothing to do with who's forum it is or who's here all the time.... THIS IS MY THREAD!!!!

Honestly I don't really see anyone with a 3500 doing anything more than someone with a 3400. Stock versus stock they are a little better, but modded vs modded the 3400 has more parts available and a higher power ceiling considering the rods available and that there are none available for the 3500 which has weaker stock rods. You can bore out a 3400 to 3500 displacement and port the heads and it will be able to make more power than a 3500. But I digress...

Again... this is my thread. If you don't like the rules, make your own thread or go find another forum. Childish bickering is NOT going to coerce me into changing the rules. All it's going to do is this... make me lock the thread.

If you run a new time and want added to the list. PM me...
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