RSM Induction - Page 2

iceman · 04-28-2003, 08:10 AM

Looks nice!! What's that powdercoated or painted?

(your shroud is on wrong.. should be under the painted areas of the front bumper

)

Craig99SE2 · 04-28-2003, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Babalouie
Hey Craig! It's me again!

Hey ... what's up?! It was cool to finally meet you Friday! BTW, the car runs GREAT! I think the fuel trim is slowly dumping more fuel. It seems to be getting better every day.

Craig99SE2 · 04-28-2003, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iceman
Looks nice!! What's that powdercoated or painted?

(your shroud is on wrong.. should be under the painted areas of the front bumper )

It is spray-painted. Not sure what kind because it has a cool texture to it. (RSM painted it, so not sure what it is).

The shroud was always like that. Since I take it on and off all the time, I just left it on top cuz I'm lazy!

iceman · 04-28-2003, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by Craig99SE2
It is spray-painted. Not sure what kind because it has a cool texture to it. (RSM painted it, so not sure what it is).

The shroud was always like that. Since I take it on and off all the time, I just left it on top cuz I'm lazy!

Yeah paint looks great when done right !

My shroud hangs out in my garage, I don't remember the last time I had it on..

Craig99SE2 · 04-28-2003, 12:28 PM

BTW ... If anyone is considering RSM for any parts and/or work, I would HIGHLY recomend them! I got to meet Nelson and Frank and they are both good guys and are VERY knowledgeable about our cars and engines. They really did a great install, went the extra mile by doing a few extras for me and the job looks great and the car never ran better! RSM gets 2 thumbs-up in my book!

BTW, for those that don't know, here is their website:

http://www.rsmracing.com

Babalouie · 04-28-2003, 07:57 PM

hey..............what about me Craig??!!??

Craig99SE2 · 05-01-2003, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by Babalouie
hey..............what about me Craig??!!??

Heh-heh ... you were good people too!

Babalouie · 05-01-2003, 02:54 PM

conspiracy!!!!

Craig99SE2 · 05-01-2003, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by Babalouie
conspiracy!!!!

ROFLMFAO!

Irate · 05-01-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by Craig99SE2
BTW ... If anyone is considering RSM for any parts and/or work, I would HIGHLY recomend them! I got to meet Nelson and Frank and they are both good guys and are VERY knowledgeable about our cars and engines.

Yeah, I will agree with you there... they really go the extra mile to help you out.

kubiache · 05-01-2003, 07:59 PM

That's a very unassuming looking car. It'll definately be an unpleasant surprise to some stoplight racer. Hope to see that beast at MGM.

Craig99SE2 · 05-10-2003, 08:39 AM

Well, I went to the dyno last night post-porting and polishing. Let's just say I had a VERY interesting evening! My 3 dyno runs took about 2-1/2 hours because I talked to the owner of the shop all night about cars, turbos, transmissions, etc. Even though I am VERY upset with the dyno results, I got a TON of good info for my turbo project! This shop specializes in turbos and they just finished a TWIN turbo Honda CBR!!! WTF?!?!? Next on their list is a V-8 Maseratti! SWEET!

Anyway, peak numbers only came in at 165.6HP, 198.3 ft-lbs. Assuming 20% driveline loss, that's 207HP and 247.88 ft-lbs. +10HP and +10 ft-lbs. Not too impressive for the amount of money I dropped ... sort of ...

First of all, if you know anything about "peak" dyno numbers, they are kind of bogus anyway. It is the area under the curve that matters. Compared to things like intake, exhaust that usually follow the original curve until about 3-4K then show gains, my curves for both torque and HP are +10 the entire RPM range. So, the area under the curve has increased 6%. Why so little?

After talking to the owner and discussing what I had done, he told me that he has seen this happen SEVERAL times on the dyno after a port & polish! The reason is that our engines are probably almost running at peak efficiency from the factory for the cam and valve size we have. It is possible that a cam swap or larger valves would "wake-up" post-porting, but in his opinion, the gains would be minimal and not worth it. I talked to him about our cam being "pressed-on" lobes and he said they cost a FORTUNE to make! The money vs. gain ratio is right up there with a P&P job. Since the engine runs so efficient to begin with, the best bet is just intake, exhaust, and a power adder. So, in retrospect, I was the guinea pig! For the rest of you ... what you do with $1500 is your business, but I'd look into something other than a P&P job!

As for my talks with him on the turbo project ... you'll hafta wait and see!

I told him what I proposed to do and he showed me how to obtain the same results for 1/2 the price! So ... I may be boosted sooner than I originally expected!

Craig99SE2 · 05-10-2003, 08:56 AM

phantom505 · 05-10-2003, 11:32 AM

Do you have headers yet? And what are you using for a PCM?

Dr_Kyle · 05-10-2003, 12:45 PM

I wouldn't be disappointed at all with those gains. Power accross the entire band is up by 10 for both horsepower AND torque. That's a great gain if you ask me, plus you mentioned the "seat of the pants" gains were awesome. I bet it'd show great results at the track too.

I know installation costs some money, but I think this is an awesome mod that will make future mods much more effective.

95-GT · 05-10-2003, 12:59 PM

Craig, if you can, give me a call asap. I needa talk to you about your dyno stuff and this turbo project....cause I think I can get a good deal by making 2 kits at once thru my guy instead of 1 at a time. I'll PM you my number if you dont already have it.

Craig99SE2 · 05-10-2003, 01:59 PM

Yes, the results are good but I was expecting a little better. They will definitely benefit me with any other mod more so than on a stock engine.

No, I do not have headers. I was going to fab some custom ones for the turbo, but after talking to the turbo guy last night, that has changed...

KpazzH0ly · 05-10-2003, 03:37 PM

Well wont all this help when you add boost? I mean what they help out much more that way? Like I guess what I am trying to say is, some mods work way better together than seperately. I have learned that its not how much gain u always get, but what works with what.......Any thoughts?

gagt2001 · 05-10-2003, 03:48 PM

craig just wonderin what all u have done to the car ? thanx

Chaotic Reality · 05-10-2003, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by gagt2001
craig just wonderin what all u have done to the car ? thanx

Look at the links in his sig.

-Jon

04-28-2003, 08:10 AM	#21
iceman woop woop AKA: Seth Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Age: 41 Posts: 10,528 Vehicle: 97 Blazer - 84 Fiero	Looks nice!! What's that powdercoated or painted? (your shroud is on wrong.. should be under the painted areas of the front bumper ) __________________ --Seth Support GrandAmGT.com sponsors! My Picture Gallery \| GoneDragRacing.com Drag Racing Photos & Videos

04-28-2003, 12:28 PM	#25
Craig99SE2 Mr. Know It All AKA: Craig Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Commerce Twp., MI Age: 48 Posts: 1,349 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE Coupe	BTW ... If anyone is considering RSM for any parts and/or work, I would HIGHLY recomend them! I got to meet Nelson and Frank and they are both good guys and are VERY knowledgeable about our cars and engines. They really did a great install, went the extra mile by doing a few extras for me and the job looks great and the car never ran better! RSM gets 2 thumbs-up in my book! BTW, for those that don't know, here is their website: http://www.rsmracing.com __________________ Project 13-Second NA GASE - 1999 Grand Am SE - RSM Heads,UIM,LIM,62mm TB,AFE Filter,RSM WAI,TOGs,DynoMax Hi-Flo Cat,SLP,DynoMax,ASE Chip,Mobil 1,Accel DIS,Taylor Wires,Denso Iridium,Hyper Ground,FFP Pulley,B&M SuperCooler,RedLine D4 ATF,Poly Drivetrain Mounts - Estimated 250HP ... Dyno Charts Soon!

04-28-2003, 07:57 PM	#26
Babalouie Unpredictable Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Age: 41 Posts: 222 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Coupe	hey..............what about me Craig??!!?? __________________ - don't sing it...........just bring it - - RSM Race Motor = JE Custom Forged Pistons, Carillo Forged Racing Rods, Mantley SS Valves, Forged/Melinited/Nitrated Crank, RSM Racing Race Edition Heads, Copper Head Gaskets, MSD Ignition, RSM TB, RSM Ported Manifold, RSM Tranni Mount, RSM Torque Converter, ARP Studs, HnR Springs, KYB Struts, RSM Front/Rear Strut Braces, RSM Polly Urathane Bushings, Custom Exhaust, 3.7L, TOG Headers, RSM Vortec Supercharger Kit.

05-01-2003, 02:54 PM	#28
Babalouie Unpredictable Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Age: 41 Posts: 222 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Coupe	conspiracy!!!! __________________ - don't sing it...........just bring it - - RSM Race Motor = JE Custom Forged Pistons, Carillo Forged Racing Rods, Mantley SS Valves, Forged/Melinited/Nitrated Crank, RSM Racing Race Edition Heads, Copper Head Gaskets, MSD Ignition, RSM TB, RSM Ported Manifold, RSM Tranni Mount, RSM Torque Converter, ARP Studs, HnR Springs, KYB Struts, RSM Front/Rear Strut Braces, RSM Polly Urathane Bushings, Custom Exhaust, 3.7L, TOG Headers, RSM Vortec Supercharger Kit.

05-01-2003, 07:59 PM	#31
kubiache Get blown Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 42 Posts: 1,858 Vehicle: 1998 GTP	That's a very unassuming looking car. It'll definately be an unpleasant surprise to some stoplight racer. Hope to see that beast at MGM. __________________ Dave Woodward '01 GA SE --- 14.864 @ 92.61mph.....NA '98 GTP - NIC cam / P&P heads / 105# springs / Titanium retainers / INTENSE LW pushrods / CC Lifters / INTENSE TCS-300 / ZZP Poly mounts / RT 3" DP / PEMs / ZZP MPS 3.2, 3.0 / Wizair / 103s / DHP / AFC 2.2 .......still tuning

05-10-2003, 08:39 AM	#32
Craig99SE2 Mr. Know It All AKA: Craig Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Commerce Twp., MI Age: 48 Posts: 1,349 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE Coupe	Well, I went to the dyno last night post-porting and polishing. Let's just say I had a VERY interesting evening! My 3 dyno runs took about 2-1/2 hours because I talked to the owner of the shop all night about cars, turbos, transmissions, etc. Even though I am VERY upset with the dyno results, I got a TON of good info for my turbo project! This shop specializes in turbos and they just finished a TWIN turbo Honda CBR!!! WTF?!?!? Next on their list is a V-8 Maseratti! SWEET! Anyway, peak numbers only came in at 165.6HP, 198.3 ft-lbs. Assuming 20% driveline loss, that's 207HP and 247.88 ft-lbs. +10HP and +10 ft-lbs. Not too impressive for the amount of money I dropped ... sort of ... First of all, if you know anything about "peak" dyno numbers, they are kind of bogus anyway. It is the area under the curve that matters. Compared to things like intake, exhaust that usually follow the original curve until about 3-4K then show gains, my curves for both torque and HP are +10 the entire RPM range. So, the area under the curve has increased 6%. Why so little? After talking to the owner and discussing what I had done, he told me that he has seen this happen SEVERAL times on the dyno after a port & polish! The reason is that our engines are probably almost running at peak efficiency from the factory for the cam and valve size we have. It is possible that a cam swap or larger valves would "wake-up" post-porting, but in his opinion, the gains would be minimal and not worth it. I talked to him about our cam being "pressed-on" lobes and he said they cost a FORTUNE to make! The money vs. gain ratio is right up there with a P&P job. Since the engine runs so efficient to begin with, the best bet is just intake, exhaust, and a power adder. So, in retrospect, I was the guinea pig! For the rest of you ... what you do with $1500 is your business, but I'd look into something other than a P&P job! As for my talks with him on the turbo project ... you'll hafta wait and see! I told him what I proposed to do and he showed me how to obtain the same results for 1/2 the price! So ... I may be boosted sooner than I originally expected! __________________ Project 13-Second NA GASE - 1999 Grand Am SE - RSM Heads,UIM,LIM,62mm TB,AFE Filter,RSM WAI,TOGs,DynoMax Hi-Flo Cat,SLP,DynoMax,ASE Chip,Mobil 1,Accel DIS,Taylor Wires,Denso Iridium,Hyper Ground,FFP Pulley,B&M SuperCooler,RedLine D4 ATF,Poly Drivetrain Mounts - Estimated 250HP ... Dyno Charts Soon! Last edited by Craig99SE2; 05-10-2003 at 08:41 AM.

05-10-2003, 08:56 AM	#33
Craig99SE2 Mr. Know It All AKA: Craig Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Commerce Twp., MI Age: 48 Posts: 1,349 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE Coupe	__________________ Project 13-Second NA GASE - 1999 Grand Am SE - RSM Heads,UIM,LIM,62mm TB,AFE Filter,RSM WAI,TOGs,DynoMax Hi-Flo Cat,SLP,DynoMax,ASE Chip,Mobil 1,Accel DIS,Taylor Wires,Denso Iridium,Hyper Ground,FFP Pulley,B&M SuperCooler,RedLine D4 ATF,Poly Drivetrain Mounts - Estimated 250HP ... Dyno Charts Soon!

05-10-2003, 11:32 AM	#34
phantom505 GAGTurbo Owner Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Heltonville, IN Age: 41 Posts: 1,576 Vehicle: '02 GAGT	Do you have headers yet? And what are you using for a PCM? __________________ It's ugly, and turbocharged! 264 HP and 284 ft/lbs at the wheels(@9psi), power curve like none other! And the transaxle to make it all work! Last edited by phantom505; 05-10-2003 at 11:46 AM.

05-10-2003, 12:45 PM	#35
Dr_Kyle Better Than Ever AKA: Doctor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 40 Posts: 2,116 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1	I wouldn't be disappointed at all with those gains. Power accross the entire band is up by 10 for both horsepower AND torque. That's a great gain if you ask me, plus you mentioned the "seat of the pants" gains were awesome. I bet it'd show great results at the track too. I know installation costs some money, but I think this is an awesome mod that will make future mods much more effective. __________________ Looking for Performance Parts? Click Here to check out Doctor Speed! Best ET: 14.664 @ 94.82 MPH Doctor Speed - Grand Am Performance Parts My Cardomain Page

05-10-2003, 12:59 PM	#36
95-GT Slow 5.0 AKA: David Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Heights, MI Age: 36 Posts: 2,365 Vehicle: 89 5.0 Mustang LX	Craig, if you can, give me a call asap. I needa talk to you about your dyno stuff and this turbo project....cause I think I can get a good deal by making 2 kits at once thru my guy instead of 1 at a time. I'll PM you my number if you dont already have it.

05-10-2003, 01:59 PM	#37
Craig99SE2 Mr. Know It All AKA: Craig Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Commerce Twp., MI Age: 48 Posts: 1,349 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE Coupe	Yes, the results are good but I was expecting a little better. They will definitely benefit me with any other mod more so than on a stock engine. No, I do not have headers. I was going to fab some custom ones for the turbo, but after talking to the turbo guy last night, that has changed... __________________ Project 13-Second NA GASE - 1999 Grand Am SE - RSM Heads,UIM,LIM,62mm TB,AFE Filter,RSM WAI,TOGs,DynoMax Hi-Flo Cat,SLP,DynoMax,ASE Chip,Mobil 1,Accel DIS,Taylor Wires,Denso Iridium,Hyper Ground,FFP Pulley,B&M SuperCooler,RedLine D4 ATF,Poly Drivetrain Mounts - Estimated 250HP ... Dyno Charts Soon!

05-10-2003, 03:37 PM	#38
KpazzH0ly GAGT - Member AKA: Paul Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Round Lake hts Il Age: 37 Posts: 676 Vehicle: 2000 Grand AM GT Coupe	Well wont all this help when you add boost? I mean what they help out much more that way? Like I guess what I am trying to say is, some mods work way better together than seperately. I have learned that its not how much gain u always get, but what works with what.......Any thoughts? __________________ 3400 top end for sale : Heads and manifolds for 200 + shipping. PM if interested. tejohnson's #2 fan! SpyhunteR's #2 fan! Toyota certified Tech. (about time)

05-10-2003, 03:48 PM	#39
gagt2001 GAGT - Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: naples, fl Age: 39 Posts: 31	craig just wonderin what all u have done to the car ? thanx

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