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Old 04-26-2003, 02:03 PM   #61
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On the 99-00, maybe 01+ 02's the ALS is located in the middle of the dash, in between the two defroster vents. It does not make sense why they would move it to the drivers window defroster... It doesn't recieve as much light as where it was originally!

The GA's Ive Had and seen only have 1 defrost vent in the front
I don't understand what you mean
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Old 04-27-2003, 06:54 AM   #62
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it didnt work on my 99 se. i taped over the little bulb and then put my car in drive and put the parking lights on...the lights were still on.
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Old 04-27-2003, 08:12 AM   #63
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The GA's Ive Had and seen only have 1 defrost vent in the front
I don't understand what you mean
he means there are two vents the air come out of and one cover for both vents, my als is towards the driver side also.
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Old 04-27-2003, 12:47 PM   #64
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just pulled the #22 relay and that is the 1. it works and the driver side headlight is the 1 that preforms at half.

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Old 04-27-2003, 05:47 PM   #65
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I tried this weekend to pull the relay, with no success. I didnt want to break it, or scratch it up and then be questioned when I take the car in for something else. With my luck this weekend, I would have busted the relay in half. What bout pulling the relay with the headlamps on? Then you would be able to see if they are going to dim down? Would that work? I have about zero knowledge with electricity, so I am sorry if what I just said sounds stupid. thanks- shawn
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Old 04-27-2003, 06:34 PM   #66
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well my 2 buddies have 02 gt's and they can having parking lights and fogs day and night. i thought the new ga's come with the override. my buddy i see all the time, he just sets his to parking lights, and puts it into drive,and doesnt have any drl's.
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Old 04-28-2003, 06:02 AM   #67
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'03 update

After 3 days and 3 nights of driving, I can tell you;

Pulling relay 22 on my '03 disabled the DRL with no adverse effects.

Headlights are the same intensity at night-
highbeams are as they should be.

At night, I can switch to parking lamps with or without fogs

NO SVS light on dash

Twighlight sentinel works as designed.


Just a side note-
I did have to [gently] pry-up relay 22 with a very small screwdriver (firewall side) to get it to release from the fuse block.
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Old 04-30-2003, 09:22 PM   #68
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Re: '03 update

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I did have to [gently] pry-up relay 22 with a very small screwdriver (firewall side) to get it to release from the fuse block.

How do I release the little clips that are holding the relay in on the back side of the relay (facing the next relay) without breaking the relay? Thanks
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Old 04-30-2003, 09:23 PM   #69
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Re: Re: '03 update

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How do I release the little clips that are holding the relay in on the back side of the relay (facing the next relay) without breaking the relay? Thanks
The whole relay just comes out..not too sure what you are lookin at.. if you have to, gently pull with a pair of pliers
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Old 05-01-2003, 06:17 AM   #70
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I have a 2003 GT Coupe and on pages 5-84 and 5-85 of Pontiacs 2003 Grand Am Owners Manual it shows a drawing in which all of the relays and fuses of the are numbered. It also provides a list of what each numbered fuse or relay operates. The realy that I pulled was number 22 and operates the daytime runnning lights.

Check these pages in your owner's manual.

I don't recall coming across any retaining clips when I pulled the relay -
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Old 05-01-2003, 12:00 PM   #71
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i know i had to pull out the relay next to it first to be able to get the drl one out. i didnt run into any clips either. Also the drivers side headlight on my 2000 just BARELY turns on. it looks almost like a padidle.

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yeah its kind of wedged in there and hard to pull out with ur fingers. with the other relays being next to each other.
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Old 05-01-2003, 04:31 PM   #73
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Woo Woo- I got it out. It took a ton of pulling to get it out, but it came out. I scratched the crap out of the relay, so, eventually, I will have to get a new one. NO SVS light! Tonite will be the test to see if the headlamps work properly- I hope they do. Will let you know tonite. When I pulled the relay on my 01 gt1, it threw a light up as soon as I started the car and shifted out of park. Maybe GM is getting smarter with their BCM.

For those of you that have taken the relay out, when you take the car in, do they ask why the drl's dont work? If so, I could play stupid and tell them that I thought they worked and maybe they would put a new, unscratched relay in there for me, that I could soon remove.
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Old 05-01-2003, 06:14 PM   #74
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Woo Woo- I got it out. It took a ton of pulling to get it out, but it came out. I scratched the crap out of the relay, so, eventually, I will have to get a new one. NO SVS light! Tonite will be the test to see if the headlamps work properly- I hope they do. Will let you know tonite. When I pulled the relay on my 01 gt1, it threw a light up as soon as I started the car and shifted out of park. Maybe GM is getting smarter with their BCM.

For those of you that have taken the relay out, when you take the car in, do they ask why the drl's dont work? If so, I could play stupid and tell them that I thought they worked and maybe they would put a new, unscratched relay in there for me, that I could soon remove.


And they work! No reduction in brightness. The low beam and high beam lights work properly. Thanks for the assistance removing the relay.
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Old 05-02-2003, 05:07 AM   #75
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For those of you that have taken the relay out, when you take the car in, do they ask why the drl's dont work? If so, I could play stupid and tell them that I thought they worked and maybe they would put a new, unscratched relay in there for me, that I could soon remove.

I haven't yet had to have my car serviced, when that time comes, I will prolly leave it out. Should they say something, I may play dumb. I strongly suspect they are too busy to go looking for other problems. Besides, I think I am going to be difficult about my RF rotor. 2600 (yes, hundred) miles and you'd think there's gravel between the caliper and rotor. Sorry I am waaaay
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Old 05-02-2003, 07:46 AM   #76
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Yeah i have'nt gone in for service either, but since it is like a 2 minute fix i might just pop the relay in when i go to the dealer ad pop itout when i get home. that way i avoid any hassles.
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Old 05-02-2003, 07:48 AM   #77
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it currently seems this fix only works on the 2003 models. the rest of you will probably need that DRL kit.
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Old 05-02-2003, 03:33 PM   #78
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it currently seems this fix only works on the 2003 models. the rest of you will probably need that DRL kit.
Actually, its hit or miss on the 2003. It works on some, not on others. Ironically, it doesn't work on my '03.

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Old 05-02-2003, 04:08 PM   #79
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well thats too bad. It worked on mine, thank god!!!
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Old 05-04-2003, 12:16 PM   #80
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Ok, I just tried to pull the relay on my '02 GAGT, and it didn't work. I got the half power headlight thingy. Must be an '03 change.
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