your dream 3400?

[bszopi]

Originally Posted by customcarsff

just remeber its not how you stand by your car but how you race your car you guys better learn that.

Huh?

[2003SCT]

All in all guys...as far as motors that have come in a GA....the Ecotec 4 cyl has got to be the best way to go! Hell look at all the stuff you can get for them...alot of people making 1000+ hp on a fairly stock block....drag racers at least. Fairly stock head too.

It would have to be the cheapest way to go too..

CHRIS

[2003SCT]

Oh yeah..heres some links

http://gmtunertour.com/index.asp?sec...1A43554F06010A

http://gmtunertour.com/index.asp?sec...CA030DD03F98F5

CHRIS

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by graxall

I read somewhere that our stock trannys can take about 300whp?

Don't know where you heard that from... but it's false.



Here's the important part. Do you want to make 200hp and be fast, or make 300hp and be slow? The problem with the stock trans is the clutches weren't designed to handle that much power, and the pcm is programmed to protect it if you're making too much power.

You can make lots of power and not get any faster. I've experienced this first hand. Last year my car was making 235whp which is almost 300 at the crank. It wasn't going any faster in the quarter though than when I was only making 190whp. That's because the clutches were slipping and torque management in the pcm was slowing my shifts. On the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts, the car wouldn't start to pull until 5000rpm, and by then I only had 1300 rpm left before shifting. I lost so much time to slippage that it made the car slower than it should have been for it's power level.

The bottom line is, on these cars, if you increase the power to a certain level, you will run into these problems, and if you don't address the transmission and pcm programming, you won't get faster no matter how much you increase the power. The pcm will basically slow the car down to protect the transmission. The only way to fix that is to build up the transmission to handle more abuse and re-program the pcm so it doesn't reduce the power and shifts the way you want it too.

Look I know you said to not mention swaps but, Id love to do an ls1 swap,then mod the hell out of it. just my2. sorry.

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by 99gtworld

Look I know you said to not mention swaps but, Id love to do an ls1 swap,then mod the hell out of it. just my2. sorry.

and you wouldn't be able to register it legally, smog it legally, etc. etc.

I bet you'd get a lot farther w/ an ecotec in this car than an LS1

[AaronGTR]

In michigan, and probably in texas too I'd imagine, we don't have smog and they don't care what engine's in it to register it. I could swap an LS1 into my car tommorrow and drive it on the street and no one would care or know. We don't have inspections here.

Now would I want to waste the time,money, or effort to make an expensive front heavy V8 grand am that would probably handle like crap?... thats another question.

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

In michigan, and probably in texas too I'd imagine, we don't have smog and they don't care what engine's in it to register it. I could swap an LS1 into my car tommorrow and drive it on the street and no one would care or know. We don't have inspections here.

Now would I want to waste the time,money, or effort to make an expensive front heavy V8 grand am that would probably handle like crap?... thats another question.

Lucky ass. I live next to California, can't move there even though I want to, car reasons. Living in Las Vegas, can't do it unless you find a crooked smog man. If you live in rural parts of Nevada, you're good to go.

Simply unfair.

But my thoughts are with you, yeah LS1 tight, but then there's nose heavy blundering nonsense to deal w/. That and I can make plenty power with what I gots. !

Did I mention I heart you sometimes?

[AaronGTR]

Could always move to texas.

[gaowners32]

Originally Posted by SpyhunteR

Lucky ass. I live next to California, can't move there even though I want to, car reasons. Living in Las Vegas, can't do it unless you find a crooked smog man. If you live in rural parts of Nevada, you're good to go.

Simply unfair.

But my thoughts are with you, yeah LS1 tight, but then there's nose heavy blundering nonsense to deal w/. That and I can make plenty power with what I gots. !

Did I mention I heart you sometimes?

This just went from a performance chat to a personals ad Man seeking man kinda shizit

[harvester45]

Originally Posted by gaowners32

This just went from a performance chat to a personals ad Man seeking man kinda shizit

[Phuxed]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

In michigan, and probably in texas too I'd imagine, we don't have smog and they don't care what engine's in it to register it. I could swap an LS1 into my car tommorrow and drive it on the street and no one would care or know. We don't have inspections here.

Now would I want to waste the time,money, or effort to make an expensive front heavy V8 grand am that would probably handle like crap?... thats another question.

just one more reason why I love living in Michigan

[Graxall]

So yea my dream grand am would be 3 sticks of dynamite in remote locations wired so when the car turns on it explodes...

[timberwoof]

Well if we are going with the dream GA then I would have to change out everything but the chassis and body. I know this is going to get alot of slack from you DOMESTIC lovers, but I have to throw in the t u n e r since of things.
Swap in a SR20DET and go to town with the rear wheel drive. Change out all suspension and go for boost. Then take it out on the street and watch the jaws drop on the Trans Ams. That's right I said it. Lighter and faster, or atleast a match. But that's a dream GA, but personnally if I had the choice I'de just go for a twin turbo setup and turn the thing into a Import-Domestic hybrid track car and surprise the hell out of the competition.

Is this blasphamy???? Probably, but its only a dream, and I'm more an import turbo lover than anything.

[Schweppe23]

Build up a solid bottom end, tight high lift cam with heads to match, flip the turbo headers around, weld 2 new flanges on for the 2 GT30Rs with 3 inch dumppipes, large air/air and put my methanol nozzle right before the TB. Turn the boost up to an insane amount and hope the Rossler trans holds for the 10sec pass.

[SikMindz]

Originally Posted by timberwoof

Well if we are going with the dream GA then I would have to change out everything but the chassis and body. I know this is going to get alot of slack from you DOMESTIC lovers, but I have to throw in the t u n e r since of things.
Swap in a SR20DET and go to town with the rear wheel drive. Change out all suspension and go for boost. Then take it out on the street and watch the jaws drop on the Trans Ams. That's right I said it. Lighter and faster, or atleast a match. But that's a dream GA, but personnally if I had the choice I'de just go for a twin turbo setup and turn the thing into a Import-Domestic hybrid track car and surprise the hell out of the competition.

Is this blasphamy???? Probably, but its only a dream, and I'm more an import turbo lover than anything.

And you'd achieve the same thing that Schweppe and Spy have done except done the run of the mill thing and used a tried and proven engine.

[timberwoof]

Hey they asked about a dream GA, right. Well that would be mine, lets face it the 3400 isn't an engine that can stand up to alot of HP, without throwing gobs of money at it.
Now the exterior and interior, you can go all out and make a good show car, and yours is a good Ex: Sik. Props man

[nascarnate326]

Id want an E-85 GAGT. Then if I could have Jordan Capri in the passenger seat that would take care of todays dream. Oh, and a 5-speed.

[Vegeta]

No, they asked about dream 3400, but I guess thats close enough for your nissan motor.

[jturkey69]

Originally Posted by mfuller

Hmm....Okay, assuming I can put a strong short-throw 6-speed manual gearbox with a Quaife limited-slip on it....

(I have omitted intake and exhaust components since we're only talking about the engine itself)

Individual (small-diameter) throttle bodies for each cylinder
Tuned, dual-length intake runners for each cylinder
Port-matched heads with larger intake and exhaust valves; sodium-filled stems with bronze valve guides and beryllium seats; Crane Gold-Race forged aluminum roller rocker arms with Crane custom roller cam grind, lightweight 4130 pushrods, Crane 105# beehive valve springs and Crane hydraulic lifters
RC Engineering balanced and blueprinted fuel injectors
4-bolt block cast in aluminum instead if iron with Nikasil cylinder liners
Keith Black custom forged billet steel crank, with Clevite 77 main bearings and 4-bolt main caps held by ARP hardware
Keith Black lightened, balanced, and shot-peened forged con rods
Keith Black forged lightweight pistons; 10.5:1 compression ratio
Total Seal gapless piston rings and Fel-Pro intake and exhaust gaskets
Custom copper head gaskets with ARP head studs
Rotating assembly balanced and blueprinted
10 quart dry sump oiling system
MoTeC programmable engine management
Findenza aluminum flywheel

all of the above with 2 exceptions...
1) single throw crank meaning two rods per journal not one
2 )one big t70