And he dared knock American - Page 4

Greed4Speed · 07-02-2003, 08:14 PM

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Would you knock Dodge and the Viper though in the same way as Ford with the SVT Cobra?

Yes. It think it is extremely sad that thats all they run, but they are also 3.08 geared and still very traction limited. Even then, for the price you'd pay to get one you'd think Dodge should have ironed out some traction problems. Don't get me wrong. The Viper and Cobra are nice cars, but for supposedly being so powerful and technologically advanced those are not that great of ET's.

As for F-body times. Most are mid to low 13's @ 320 HP. They'll do high 12's w/basic bolt ons, some have gotten 12's totally stock. Then you have the 345 HP Anniversary editions,

easily in the 12's there w/out the aid of an aluminum lung. They got the 345 HP w/ the optional SLP bolt ons.

So is the supercharged 390 HP really doing all that for ya at 12.90? Buy an LS1 for over $10K less and supercharge it and you'll be low 12's to high 11's. Just a cam change and you'll be in the low 12's and still have cash left over for more mods and still be able to run 87 octane gas.

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my cobra is coming in Aug. wanna run me?

You might want to give it a little break in milage.

From what I've been hearing Ford is being very strict on the warranty with the new Cobras. But ya, I'd still race ya just to see how well my totally stock, naturally aspirated, single cammed, push rod engine would hang.

One thing for the Stangs. The 8.8 rear is waaaaay better than the 7.5 POS GM stuck us with.

1993Grandamgt · 07-02-2003, 08:19 PM

i will definitely agree with that. my friend has a 96 Z with a 6 speed and a 383 stroker with a vortech blower and hes broke quite a few axle shafts and ring and pinions already!

95-GT · 07-02-2003, 08:21 PM

Comparing the engines tho....a 4.6L beating a 5.7L and hanging with the vipers 8.3L.

Greed4Speed · 07-02-2003, 08:27 PM

A SUPERCHARGED 4.6L. You have to factor that into the equation. Do the same to an LS1 and it'll be a lot quicker for less $. I've seen turbocharged 3.8L's in much heavier cars run faster than the Cobra if you want to play the engine displacement game. Ever hear of a GNX? The N/A single cammed 4.6 is a DOG!

FYI: an LS1 isn't realy a 5.7L. A 350 is a 5.7L an LS1 is a 346. Its more like a 5.6 or 5.5L but GM stuck w/th 5.7 designation for the name recognition.

Licit · 07-03-2003, 01:44 AM

Well thanks for the curb weight clarification, I never knew that was how it was figured. Do they usually average the weight of 4 or 5 passengers, like use the average person weight of 175 lbs times 4 or 5? Greed4Speed what do you think of the Ferrari 575 Maranello with the 12 cylinder running 12.6 in the 1/4? Please tell me you agree it's pathetic. Then again it's not like the owners of these house-priced cars go running to the track. I'm so sick of my buddy saying "my sister's Ferrari....". Just to **** him off I always say it's overpriced euro trash, it's hilarious how mad he gets.

Panacea · 07-03-2003, 08:05 AM

Okay, had to chime in really quick...

All from Motortrend

Mach1 = 13.8 second 1/4
2003 SVT Cobra = 13.12@109.58
2003 Corvette = 13.02 @ 109.59
2003 ZO6 = Couldn't find

So, a stock SVT Cobra runs 13.12 and a STOCK Corvette, not ZO6 runs 13.02.

That means the ZO6 w/50 more HP runs in the 12's.

So stock for stock the base end corvette beats the SVT, and the ZO6 will still stomp it.

Oh, and do you guys want to talk about displacement? Let me find a 89 TT Trans Am... 12 or 13 second 1/4 out of a turbo'd 3.8L V6, is that fair now? Cheaper car, smaller displacement, faster still.

GM has it all the way.

1993Grandamgt · 07-03-2003, 09:16 AM

but i thought you were done with these threads concerning cobra mustangs vs. Z06, Panacea!

1993Grandamgt · 07-03-2003, 09:24 AM

here you go Panacea:

Car-Stats.com Report for 2003 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Obtained from R&T March, 2003
0-60: 4.5 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 12.8
1/4 Speed: 114

Car-Stats.com Report for 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra
Obtained from C&D June, 2002
0-60: 4.5 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 12.9
1/4 Speed: 111

Panacea · 07-03-2003, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by 1993Grandamgt
but i thought you were done with these threads concerning cobra mustangs vs. Z06, Panacea!

I was, but then I was bored.

Then people started talking about displacement so I had to bring up the TT 3.8 Trans Am, and yeah. The argument doesn't fly cause, well, GM won hands down

BTW what kind of mileage does the SVT Get? Can it get 28-31mpg like the vette?

1993Grandamgt · 07-03-2003, 11:30 AM

since when was that 1989 trans am a twin turbo? i always was tod it was a single turbo on it! and i dont know the mileage off hand. i will find it for you though.

1993Grandamgt · 07-03-2003, 11:33 AM

by the way here is the link on info for the 1989 turbo trans am:

http://www.89tta.com/

Panacea · 07-03-2003, 11:37 AM

Meh so I was wrong, oh well.

1/4 13.5 not too shabby for having more than 100 less HP and less displacement than the SC 4.5L or whatever the Cobra has.

1993Grandamgt · 07-03-2003, 11:59 AM

i have nothing to say about that T/A, i always liked that car.

Panacea · 07-03-2003, 12:04 PM

Anyone know the reason why they did the Turbo that year? Was it stricktly for being a Pace Car, or was it an anniversary? Also, why they haven't made more cars like that? I mean c'mon 250hp and a 13.5 second 1/4.... and a TURBO!!!

1993Grandamgt · 07-03-2003, 12:06 PM

probably because of the profit margins, and exclusivity.

Licit · 07-04-2003, 01:44 AM

Yeah they don't turbo many American cars. Audi and Volvo sure love them though don't they. I have to admit I was pretty impressed with the power on my friends moms VW Beetle 1.8T. I absolutely HATE the look of them and the fact I always have sorority girls around town here trying to show me up in them. Still I have noticed the turbo lag in cars with them, definately prefer a supercharged engine to a turbo. I have a feeling we'll see more turbos being put in now that performance has become important. Or at least the whole "we're going to run out of oil, and emissions are ruining the environment" crap has taken a back seat somewhat.

Greed4Speed · 07-06-2003, 06:05 PM

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Greed4Speed what do you think of the Ferrari 575 Maranello with the 12 cylinder running 12.6 in the 1/4? Please tell me you agree it's pathetic. Then again it's not like the owners of these house-priced cars go running to the track. I'm so sick of my buddy saying "my sister's Ferrari....". Just to **** him off I always say it's overpriced euro trash, it's hilarious how mad he gets.

Far from impressed w/a 12.6 in that expensive of a car, but they also aren't designed for drag either but more for road racing and top end. That and the 12 cylinders are also very small cylinders. I'd expect an American muscle car to be geared and designed for some dragging.

I did see a Testerosa at the track one night. The tree lit up and he stomped on it and a large cloud of smoke billowed out of his engine bay and exhaust. I don't know what he broke, but he limped it to ~ a 25 second run.

VTECSiGAH8R · 07-06-2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by 1993Grandamgt
here you go Panacea:

Car-Stats.com Report for 2003 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Obtained from R&T March, 2003
0-60: 4.5 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 12.8
1/4 Speed: 114

Car-Stats.com Report for 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra
Obtained from C&D June, 2002
0-60: 4.5 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 12.9
1/4 Speed: 111

Here ya go 1993Grandamgt: http://136.160.33.249/phpBB2/videos/bbq/tim_evan.mpeg

Stock to stock Z06 vs. '03 Cobra, Cobra gets smacked. Even with a good launch you can tell he was doomed to loose.

Vinaashak · 07-08-2003, 11:24 AM

Viper SRT-10's can run 11.8 stock at 122. Just thought i would straighten up everones numbers.

1993Grandamgt · 07-08-2003, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by VTECSiGAH8R
Here ya go 1993Grandamgt: http://136.160.33.249/phpBB2/videos/bbq/tim_evan.mpeg

Stock to stock Z06 vs. '03 Cobra, Cobra gets smacked. Even with a good launch you can tell he was doomed to loose.

do you want me to

for a non stock Z06? first off i hate to tell you that is the sound of long tube headers with an aftermarket exhaust my friend... but even so it wouldnt amount to that much of a lead. 1 second quicker in the 1/4 is equivelant to about 1/2 a car length, did anyone check his car for a little spray?. but if you listen to that clip of yours you will hear the driver of the cobra feathering the throttle on launch to try and get traction, and a missed shift . nice race though! how did you shut off that road in the middle of the day?

07-02-2003, 08:19 PM	#62
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	i will definitely agree with that. my friend has a 96 Z with a 6 speed and a 383 stroker with a vortech blower and hes broke quite a few axle shafts and ring and pinions already! __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-02-2003, 08:27 PM	#64
Greed4Speed Duke of Duct Tape Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: FTW, TX Age: 49 Posts: 1,021 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT sedan	A SUPERCHARGED 4.6L. You have to factor that into the equation. Do the same to an LS1 and it'll be a lot quicker for less $. I've seen turbocharged 3.8L's in much heavier cars run faster than the Cobra if you want to play the engine displacement game. Ever hear of a GNX? The N/A single cammed 4.6 is a DOG! FYI: an LS1 isn't realy a 5.7L. A 350 is a 5.7L an LS1 is a 346. Its more like a 5.6 or 5.5L but GM stuck w/th 5.7 designation for the name recognition. __________________ I like Cobras, they taste like chicken. 01 GAGT1 w/156k miles 00 Camaro SS - AKA Rogue. Last edited by Greed4Speed; 07-02-2003 at 08:31 PM.

07-03-2003, 08:05 AM	#66
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	Okay, had to chime in really quick... All from Motortrend Mach1 = 13.8 second 1/4 2003 SVT Cobra = 13.12@109.58 2003 Corvette = 13.02 @ 109.59 2003 ZO6 = Couldn't find So, a stock SVT Cobra runs 13.12 and a STOCK Corvette, not ZO6 runs 13.02. That means the ZO6 w/50 more HP runs in the 12's. So stock for stock the base end corvette beats the SVT, and the ZO6 will still stomp it. Oh, and do you guys want to talk about displacement? Let me find a 89 TT Trans Am... 12 or 13 second 1/4 out of a turbo'd 3.8L V6, is that fair now? Cheaper car, smaller displacement, faster still. GM has it all the way. __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

07-03-2003, 09:16 AM	#67
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	but i thought you were done with these threads concerning cobra mustangs vs. Z06, Panacea! __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-03-2003, 09:24 AM	#68
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	here you go Panacea: Car-Stats.com Report for 2003 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Obtained from R&T March, 2003 0-60: 4.5 Transmission: Manual 1/4 Mile: 12.8 1/4 Speed: 114 Car-Stats.com Report for 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra Obtained from C&D June, 2002 0-60: 4.5 Transmission: Manual 1/4 Mile: 12.9 1/4 Speed: 111 __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-02-2003, 08:21 PM	#63
95-GT Slow 5.0 AKA: David Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Heights, MI Age: 36 Posts: 2,365 Vehicle: 89 5.0 Mustang LX	Comparing the engines tho....a 4.6L beating a 5.7L and hanging with the vipers 8.3L.

07-03-2003, 01:44 AM	#65
Licit GAGT - Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Bloomington, IN Age: 46 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	Well thanks for the curb weight clarification, I never knew that was how it was figured. Do they usually average the weight of 4 or 5 passengers, like use the average person weight of 175 lbs times 4 or 5? Greed4Speed what do you think of the Ferrari 575 Maranello with the 12 cylinder running 12.6 in the 1/4? Please tell me you agree it's pathetic. Then again it's not like the owners of these house-priced cars go running to the track. I'm so sick of my buddy saying "my sister's Ferrari....". Just to **** him off I always say it's overpriced euro trash, it's hilarious how mad he gets.

07-03-2003, 11:30 AM	#70
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	since when was that 1989 trans am a twin turbo? i always was tod it was a single turbo on it! and i dont know the mileage off hand. i will find it for you though. __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-03-2003, 11:33 AM	#71
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	by the way here is the link on info for the 1989 turbo trans am: http://www.89tta.com/ __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-03-2003, 11:37 AM	#72
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	Meh so I was wrong, oh well. 1/4 13.5 not too shabby for having more than 100 less HP and less displacement than the SC 4.5L or whatever the Cobra has. __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

07-03-2003, 11:59 AM	#73
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	i have nothing to say about that T/A, i always liked that car. __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-03-2003, 12:04 PM	#74
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	Anyone know the reason why they did the Turbo that year? Was it stricktly for being a Pace Car, or was it an anniversary? Also, why they haven't made more cars like that? I mean c'mon 250hp and a 13.5 second 1/4.... and a TURBO!!! __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

07-03-2003, 12:06 PM	#75
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	probably because of the profit margins, and exclusivity. __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-04-2003, 01:44 AM	#76
Licit GAGT - Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Bloomington, IN Age: 46 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	Yeah they don't turbo many American cars. Audi and Volvo sure love them though don't they. I have to admit I was pretty impressed with the power on my friends moms VW Beetle 1.8T. I absolutely HATE the look of them and the fact I always have sorority girls around town here trying to show me up in them. Still I have noticed the turbo lag in cars with them, definately prefer a supercharged engine to a turbo. I have a feeling we'll see more turbos being put in now that performance has become important. Or at least the whole "we're going to run out of oil, and emissions are ruining the environment" crap has taken a back seat somewhat.

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