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Panacea · 07-09-2003, 01:23 PM

You could do that with a vette too. But still, who wants a 9 second mustang? Especially the ugly foxbodies?

You know this is gonna go on and on, right? haha

1993Grandamgt · 07-09-2003, 01:27 PM

yepp lets see how long this thread will go haha

j/k.... seriously the fox chassis may be ugly but they are light weight and fairly nimble for a 24 yr old chassis made from a ford futura/ mercury zephyr.......

1993Grandamgt · 07-09-2003, 01:28 PM

by the way who would want a 9 sec vette either? id rather have a 10 sec mustang that handles rather than have a 9 sec dedicated drag car!

Panacea · 07-09-2003, 01:29 PM

that's funny...

But seriously, I wasn't talking about the chasis being ugly... I was talking about the body being ugly. Haha, it reminds me of a hatchback escort.

Why did ford do away with the 5.0's anyway?

Panacea · 07-09-2003, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by 1993Grandamgt
by the way who would want a 9 sec vette either? id rather have a 10 sec mustang that handles rather than have a 9 sec dedicated drag car!

See, contrary to popular belief, vettes aren't supposed to go in just the 1/4, they're supposed to have great handling too! The vette will outhandle the mustang any day of the week. I use to have a video to prove it too! Had like 5-10 cars going through the twisties...

One was an SVT Cobra, another a stock vette or a stock Z06, a Porsche, a Mclaren, a viper, and a few others. Thing is the Vette and the Porcsche did the best. Everyone else kept spinning out.

1993Grandamgt · 07-09-2003, 01:33 PM

the mod motors aka 4.6's, 5.4's, and v10, were supposed to be better on economy, have less NVH, and also lighter motors with same or more power than standard pushrod motors. they figured with the overhead cam design motors it was the way of the future... well it is and these motors even though very much hated when introduced respond very well to mods.

ZakkWylde470 · 07-09-2003, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Panacea

Why did ford do away with the 5.0's anyway?

LOL, have you seen FRRP's new crate motor? Modular 4-cam 5.0L that puts out between 430-450 HP.

1993Grandamgt · 07-09-2003, 02:49 PM

another perfect example of the mod motor. its a DOHC 4.6 cobra motor that has a big bore kit on it! sweet..... absolutely sweet

VTECSiGAH8R · 07-09-2003, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by 1993Grandamgt
same with the Z06 its still only a vette! nothing special........

That's right, nothing special about a Vette that can run low 12's stock on stock street tires with and N/A engine and can pull a lateral g in the skidpad and has an advanced magnetism suspension that can adjust itself precisely 1000 times a second.

Has anyone even bothered to take the '03 Cobra to autocross yet?? If so, I don't see why when a freaking SVT Focus handles better.

But I know you're getting an '03 Cobra so that couldn't have anything to do with why you're defending it so well.

Both are nice, and you get what you pay for in both cases as one is raw muscle and one is a well rounded performance car with amazing power and handling, nuff said.

1993Grandamgt · 07-09-2003, 03:57 PM

as i said before the primary reason i am defending the cobra is because i am a diehard ford fan, always have been, always will be. in my eyes the Cobra is a better buy for themoney $80 per horse is better than $1xx per horse. i used to like the vettes untill they killed the king of the hill ZR1. now all vettes are overrated, and everyone owns them. just like mustangs, ands hondas its like an A$$hole everyone has one

Black Z28 · 07-09-2003, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by 95-GT
...look at it also...a 4.6L compared to a 5.7L. All for the same price too. Not to mention fords DOHC heads. Admit it or not, but the 03 cobra is more powerful and a better engine design then the LS1's out of the factory. Slap a s/c on the LS1 for $4000, and drop $4,000 into some upgrades onm the stang, and see what it does then.

oh give me a break. ford's DOHC is garbage. for years GM's f-bodies have whamped on all of ford's mustangs. this was the first cobra faster than an f-body, but too bad they had to put a SC on it... oh and my car was 4k less than the cobra.... which is just about enough for me to put a nice ATI Procharger on it and push around 475 to the wheels.

95-GT · 07-09-2003, 07:03 PM

Slap a $50 pulley on that supercharger and thats what you have also at the wheels.

1993Grandamgt · 07-09-2003, 07:18 PM

and for that 4k you were stating to have that ATI procharger, i can have a full exhaust, cams, blower pulley, shortie shifter, and money for gas, plus when i get tired of this cobra, I CAN GO TRADE MINE IN ON A NEW ONE! but thats right the f-bodies cant do that, so obviously they suck because they were canceled due to lack of sales!

1993Grandamgt · 07-09-2003, 07:23 PM

or for 4k i can just get a kenne bell supercharger to replace the factory one and get up to 617 RWHP. here is the link BRO:

http://www.kennebell.net/supercharge...03/cobra03.htm

Black Z28 · 07-09-2003, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by 1993Grandamgt
or for 4k i can just get a kenne bell supercharger to replace the factory one and get up to 617 RWHP. here is the link BRO:

http://www.kennebell.net/supercharge...03/cobra03.htm

you don't understand what i said. i said for the price difference between yours and my cars (about 4k) i'd be pushing around 475

1993Grandamgt · 07-09-2003, 07:54 PM

ummm yeah i understood..... but i was just stating a fact that for 4k's what i would be pushing... but thats the thing the cobra is going to be alive and well for quite a while... keep yours stock so it maybe worth something someday, unless you dont care.

Panacea · 07-09-2003, 07:54 PM

Also, the $80 per HP for the Cobra and the $1xx for the vette... Sure if you look at it that way the Cobra's on top. But you're forgetting that if the Vette had the same handling the Cobra did, it'd be the same price... The extra $15k is in ride quality/handling.

Greed4Speed · 07-09-2003, 08:04 PM

When your Stock Cobras can out run a Stock LS1 F-body w/out the aid of positive air pressure then you can say F-bodies suck. You talk about HP/$. The F-body has the cobra bent. I can run 87 octane w/out pinging, can your supercharged Cobra? For a supercharged supposedly 390 hp (or more because Ford people think it is underrated) to run only 12.9 is just SAD! That is what a STOCK 345 HP naturally aspirated LS1 F-body runs, if it doesn't run quicker.

You can claim your HP/$ is cheaper all day long against a Vette, but in the end the Vette will still have a far better resale value.

I liked that video. You Stang guys claimed the Vette was all modded, but that Cobra sure thought he needed to heat up his tires. The only tires you need to heat up are drag tires. Guess drag radials aren't considered a mod if it doesn't benefit your position, or the driver was just an idiot that didn't know not to "heat up" regular radials.

I'll admit, the new Cobra is a nice car, but should be much quicker for what it is supposed to be.

VTECSiGAH8R · 07-09-2003, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by Panacea
Also, the $80 per HP for the Cobra and the $1xx for the vette... Sure if you look at it that way the Cobra's on top. But you're forgetting that if the Vette had the same handling the Cobra did, it'd be the same price... The extra $15k is in ride quality/handling.

Not to mention that a Z06 will turn my head b4 an '03 Cobra anyday.

95-GT · 07-09-2003, 09:31 PM

well 1993Grandamgt....we can both see that people cant accept the fact that a 03 cobra is much more powerful then a f-body and just as well performed as the $20k+ corvette.

07-09-2003, 01:23 PM	#101
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	You could do that with a vette too. But still, who wants a 9 second mustang? Especially the ugly foxbodies? You know this is gonna go on and on, right? haha __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

07-09-2003, 01:27 PM	#102
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	yepp lets see how long this thread will go haha j/k.... seriously the fox chassis may be ugly but they are light weight and fairly nimble for a 24 yr old chassis made from a ford futura/ mercury zephyr....... __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-09-2003, 01:28 PM	#103
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	by the way who would want a 9 sec vette either? id rather have a 10 sec mustang that handles rather than have a 9 sec dedicated drag car! __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-09-2003, 01:29 PM	#104
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	that's funny... But seriously, I wasn't talking about the chasis being ugly... I was talking about the body being ugly. Haha, it reminds me of a hatchback escort. Why did ford do away with the 5.0's anyway? __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

07-09-2003, 01:33 PM	#106
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	the mod motors aka 4.6's, 5.4's, and v10, were supposed to be better on economy, have less NVH, and also lighter motors with same or more power than standard pushrod motors. they figured with the overhead cam design motors it was the way of the future... well it is and these motors even though very much hated when introduced respond very well to mods. __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-09-2003, 02:49 PM	#108
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	another perfect example of the mod motor. its a DOHC 4.6 cobra motor that has a big bore kit on it! sweet..... absolutely sweet __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-09-2003, 03:57 PM	#110
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	as i said before the primary reason i am defending the cobra is because i am a diehard ford fan, always have been, always will be. in my eyes the Cobra is a better buy for themoney $80 per horse is better than $1xx per horse. i used to like the vettes untill they killed the king of the hill ZR1. now all vettes are overrated, and everyone owns them. just like mustangs, ands hondas its like an A$$hole everyone has one __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-09-2003, 07:03 PM	#112
95-GT Slow 5.0 AKA: David Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Heights, MI Age: 36 Posts: 2,365 Vehicle: 89 5.0 Mustang LX	Slap a $50 pulley on that supercharger and thats what you have also at the wheels.

07-09-2003, 07:18 PM	#113
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	and for that 4k you were stating to have that ATI procharger, i can have a full exhaust, cams, blower pulley, shortie shifter, and money for gas, plus when i get tired of this cobra, I CAN GO TRADE MINE IN ON A NEW ONE! but thats right the f-bodies cant do that, so obviously they suck because they were canceled due to lack of sales! __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-09-2003, 07:23 PM	#114
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	or for 4k i can just get a kenne bell supercharger to replace the factory one and get up to 617 RWHP. here is the link BRO: http://www.kennebell.net/supercharge...03/cobra03.htm __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-09-2003, 07:54 PM	#116
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	ummm yeah i understood..... but i was just stating a fact that for 4k's what i would be pushing... but thats the thing the cobra is going to be alive and well for quite a while... keep yours stock so it maybe worth something someday, unless you dont care. __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-09-2003, 07:54 PM	#117
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	Also, the $80 per HP for the Cobra and the $1xx for the vette... Sure if you look at it that way the Cobra's on top. But you're forgetting that if the Vette had the same handling the Cobra did, it'd be the same price... The extra $15k is in ride quality/handling. __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

07-09-2003, 08:04 PM	#118
Greed4Speed Duke of Duct Tape Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: FTW, TX Age: 49 Posts: 1,021 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT sedan	When your Stock Cobras can out run a Stock LS1 F-body w/out the aid of positive air pressure then you can say F-bodies suck. You talk about HP/$. The F-body has the cobra bent. I can run 87 octane w/out pinging, can your supercharged Cobra? For a supercharged supposedly 390 hp (or more because Ford people think it is underrated) to run only 12.9 is just SAD! That is what a STOCK 345 HP naturally aspirated LS1 F-body runs, if it doesn't run quicker. You can claim your HP/$ is cheaper all day long against a Vette, but in the end the Vette will still have a far better resale value. I liked that video. You Stang guys claimed the Vette was all modded, but that Cobra sure thought he needed to heat up his tires. The only tires you need to heat up are drag tires. Guess drag radials aren't considered a mod if it doesn't benefit your position, or the driver was just an idiot that didn't know not to "heat up" regular radials. I'll admit, the new Cobra is a nice car, but should be much quicker for what it is supposed to be. __________________ I like Cobras, they taste like chicken. 01 GAGT1 w/156k miles 00 Camaro SS - AKA Rogue.

07-09-2003, 09:31 PM	#120
95-GT Slow 5.0 AKA: David Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Heights, MI Age: 36 Posts: 2,365 Vehicle: 89 5.0 Mustang LX	well 1993Grandamgt....we can both see that people cant accept the fact that a 03 cobra is much more powerful then a f-body and just as well performed as the $20k+ corvette.