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Panacea · 07-10-2003, 04:08 PM

I'm an Astro Physicist...

What's credentials have to do with anything? I mean, look at Bush... He's president is he not? Just because you have credentials doesn't mean you're fit for the job or know what you're doing

1993Grandamgt · 07-10-2003, 04:14 PM

true... but you sit there and say all this stuf about real driving like you know how to do it! when you may be the worst person behind the wheel......... i dunno i am going back to sleep now since i am starting to even confuse myself!

Panacea · 07-10-2003, 04:36 PM

It doesn't take an Astro Physicist to know that it's more difficult to go around curves than it is to go in a straight line.

If you don't believe me than ask Matt Fuller... He road races all the time, and well, I'm pretty sure he'll agree w/me.

1993Grandamgt · 07-10-2003, 06:21 PM

i never said it wasnt harder............

StarFire · 07-10-2003, 07:02 PM

If I had my choice of a Cobra or Vette, I'd take the vette. All for the simple reason of the interior. The vette's interior is designed far better (IMO) over the mustang's.

Greed4Speed · 07-10-2003, 07:10 PM

Quote:

well 1993Grandamgt....we can both see that people cant accept the fact that a 03 cobra is much more powerful then a f-body and just as well performed as the $20k+ corvette.

What you Ford people like to overlook is the 2002 35th anniversary F-bodies that run as fast if not faster than the new Cobra. They do this with a 45 HP less than the Cobra and naturally aspirated.

You brought up a Mach 1 that was 600HP, well we can bring up the ZL1 Camaro w/an 8.4L making 770HP and 683 lb/ft. You wanna bring in the Saleen, well what about Berger Camaros w/ 380hp & 400 lb/ft tq (runs low 12's easily); or the Mecham F-bodies that can be had in engines from the LS1 to the 6.5L engine. These are cars that can be bought at a dealership w/all the warraties etc.

check this one out w/442 HP from an LS1 and under $20000. http://adcache.collectorcartraderonl...6/48755666.htm

Buy your $35000 Cobra, but when a stock engined naturally aspirated F-body (not necessarily an SS or WS6) out runs you with a $500 mod ( the cost of a rear gear + installation) then you'll understand. Think about it. There are Z28's and Formulas running low 13's w/2.73 gears and an automatic. These are cars rated at 60 HP LESS than your vaunted 390 HP supercharged all so wonderful super fast dual overhead cammed hi-tek modular engine that are going to be hanging with you if not out running you.

Anyone remember the Mustang II, or was that a Pinto GT or something? There has yet to be a GM pony car THAT ugly.

As for this being America and the home a drag racing, it is also the home of NASCAR, which just so happens to be the most watched motorsport. Still think top speed and handling doesn't matter to Americans? As for one taking more skill than the other, I'd disagree. It's apples and oranges. You try driving a topfuel rail with those bicycle tires to steer in a straight line in under 5 sec at over 300 mph w/out lifting the front end or lighting it up on the take off or red lining. Both racing types require certain skills.

95-GT · 07-10-2003, 08:24 PM

Like i said also, i am from Motorcity...where we all here LOVE drag racing.

1993Grandamgt · 07-10-2003, 09:30 PM

how about the Saleen SR? the only thing is the price 150G's. i will get performance times tomarrow

ALL-NEW 2002 SALEEN SR PROVIDES ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE

SR Blends High Performance With Race Technology

The 2002 SR from Saleen takes "street performance" to its ultimate.

With an energizing 505 horsepower from its 5.8 liter Saleen Centrifugal Supercharged V-8 engine and a Saleen Racecraft designed independent rear suspension, the SR takes curves with the same force as it does straightaways.

"We've used our racing experience on the track and adapted this technology in the engineering of the SR to create the ultimate street performance vehicle," said Steve Saleen, president and founder of Saleen Inc. "The SR goes from 0-60 mph 'very quickly' and hits a quarter mile speed 'very fast.'"

The 2002 SR is highlighted by Saleen's 5.8-liter Ford-based engine producing 505 hp and 500 lbs of torque mated to a Saleen six-speed transmission. A custom Saleen drive shaft leads to an IRS differential system at a gear ratio of 3.55:1. Braking is through 14.4" front rotors with four-piston calipers. Rear brakes are 13.0" metallic discs with four-piston calipers. Unibody construction features a complete roll cage and suspension reinforcement system. A refined Saleen Racecraft suspension includes independent uneven length double wishbones with Saleen N2 triple adjustable shocks and adjustable sway bars in the front and a Saleen-designed push-pull Independent rear suspension. The SR also includes power assisted rack and pinion steering. Additional features include race inspired seats and a white instrument gauge cluster with a 200 mph speedometer.

The Saleen SR boasts exterior aerodynamic refinements beyond the base complete body panels of the Saleen S281, including a specialty-designed composite hood, composite rear bodywork and underbody tunnel. The SR was wind-tunnel tuned at Lockheed-Martin's full-size tunnel in Marietta, Georgia. The SR comes standard with 18" wheels and Pirelli P-Zero tires. Every body part is unique to the Saleen SR, with the exception of the windows.

The Saleen SR is available as a coupe only. The retail price for the Saleen SR starts at $150,000. Like all Saleen vehicles, the 2002 SR is available only at Saleen Certified Ford Dealers nationwide.

Saleen manufacturing facilities include complete research, engineering, design and assembly capability. The Saleen SR meets all the same Federal government regulations as those of large automobile manufacturers, and come with a full factory warranty.

Since the company's inception in 1984, Saleen has produced over 9,000 vehicles, more than any other specialty manufacturer. The company's line includes Saleen Mustangs, and Saleen Performance Parts - a complete line of performance and appearance products for Mustangs.

VTECSiGAH8R · 07-10-2003, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1993Grandamgt
how about the Saleen SR? the only thing is the price 150G's. i will get performance times tomarrow

ALL-NEW 2002 SALEEN SR PROVIDES ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE

SR Blends High Performance With Race Technology

The 2002 SR from Saleen takes "street performance" to its ultimate.

With an energizing 505 horsepower from its 5.8 liter Saleen Centrifugal Supercharged V-8 engine and a Saleen Racecraft designed independent rear suspension, the SR takes curves with the same force as it does straightaways.

"We've used our racing experience on the track and adapted this technology in the engineering of the SR to create the ultimate street performance vehicle," said Steve Saleen, president and founder of Saleen Inc. "The SR goes from 0-60 mph 'very quickly' and hits a quarter mile speed 'very fast.'"

The 2002 SR is highlighted by Saleen's 5.8-liter Ford-based engine producing 505 hp and 500 lbs of torque mated to a Saleen six-speed transmission. A custom Saleen drive shaft leads to an IRS differential system at a gear ratio of 3.55:1. Braking is through 14.4" front rotors with four-piston calipers. Rear brakes are 13.0" metallic discs with four-piston calipers. Unibody construction features a complete roll cage and suspension reinforcement system. A refined Saleen Racecraft suspension includes independent uneven length double wishbones with Saleen N2 triple adjustable shocks and adjustable sway bars in the front and a Saleen-designed push-pull Independent rear suspension. The SR also includes power assisted rack and pinion steering. Additional features include race inspired seats and a white instrument gauge cluster with a 200 mph speedometer.

The Saleen SR boasts exterior aerodynamic refinements beyond the base complete body panels of the Saleen S281, including a specialty-designed composite hood, composite rear bodywork and underbody tunnel. The SR was wind-tunnel tuned at Lockheed-Martin's full-size tunnel in Marietta, Georgia. The SR comes standard with 18" wheels and Pirelli P-Zero tires. Every body part is unique to the Saleen SR, with the exception of the windows.

The Saleen SR is available as a coupe only. The retail price for the Saleen SR starts at $150,000. Like all Saleen vehicles, the 2002 SR is available only at Saleen Certified Ford Dealers nationwide.

Saleen manufacturing facilities include complete research, engineering, design and assembly capability. The Saleen SR meets all the same Federal government regulations as those of large automobile manufacturers, and come with a full factory warranty.

Since the company's inception in 1984, Saleen has produced over 9,000 vehicles, more than any other specialty manufacturer. The company's line includes Saleen Mustangs, and Saleen Performance Parts - a complete line of performance and appearance products for Mustangs.

John Lingenfelter. Nuff said.

Panacea · 07-10-2003, 10:36 PM

That's what I'm saying VTec, what's up with Ford and their numbers? $150,000 for 505 HP... You know what? I'll just spend that and get the Lingenfelter TT 800HP Corvette, with supsension mods, etc. 0-60 in 1.9 seconds, and (I BELIEVE) a 1/4 of 9-10 seconds... Nuff said!

VTECSiGAH8R · 07-10-2003, 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by Panacea
That's what I'm saying VTec, what's up with Ford and their numbers? $150,000 for 505 HP... You know what? I'll just spend that and get the Lingenfelter TT 800HP Corvette, with supsension mods, etc. 0-60 in 1.9 seconds, and (I BELIEVE) a 1/4 of 9-10 seconds... Nuff said!

There are videos of it going in the 1/4 at 8.98 I believe. Dunno what kind of tires tho.

Panacea · 07-10-2003, 11:04 PM

Meh, haven't seen that one. Just saw the segment on Motor Trend. But it'll kick that saleen's arse, no doubt about it.

Greed4Speed · 07-11-2003, 06:44 PM

For $150G you could get a Hennessey Motorsports Viper (Venom 500 or 600). They even have the Venom 1000 that can pump out 1123 RWHP.

http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/...?cart=BhirxRtD

1993Grandamgt · 07-11-2003, 06:47 PM

that Hennessey is bad a$$ my old boss trade his venom 750 for a Diablo SV........ dumb a$$!

1993Grandamgt · 07-11-2003, 06:50 PM

by the way there is one running around my hometown that was done by hennessey it has something like 850 horse then he went and put a 250 HP NOS kit on it.... awesome. its never been to the track but he loves messing with impo's especially RX7's and Supra TT's

Licit · 07-14-2003, 01:52 AM

Alot of which car you prefer comes down to what you like, and whether you are cheap like me. I honestly place a lower price over how the interior looks and suspension/steering performance. I mean Car and Driver dubbed the SVT a great car for someone that wants nice straight line speed. They probably should have mentioned that it also can be geared towards tight wads like myself that pinch pennies. And I would love an F-body, one of the nicest looking cars in my opinion is the WS-6 Firebird, I can't stop drooling over the hood design. I only have GM to thank that I can't buy one new any longer. The prices on used ones in Auto Trader are a little steep for the mileage usually. My biggest problem is that I was quoted a higher insurance price for an '00 Firebird than an '03 SVT Mustang. My insurance is through a private company so I can't say what another company would do, but thats a factor. On the issue of drag vs circuit racing they are quite different like Greed4Speed said. My personal high is way better though when I launch just right and accelerate at near perfect in a straight line. That's me, others may get their better buzz hitting the apex of a corner just right and coming out hard.

Lash · 07-15-2003, 10:54 PM

BENCH RACING IS GHEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From my personal experience....(about 20 times at the track).....it seems that mustang owners have the hardest time pulling the 1/4 numbers that are expected of them. It's easy to say that a mustang SHOULD be in the 12's...it's another thing to ACTUALLY run it. Just tonight I saw mustangs with bolt-on's galore (even an '03 cobra) and a s/c '01 GT (most with drag's).........none of them broke into the 12's. On the other hand.......I saw a new stock Z-O6 run a 12.7 on street tires.

1993Grandamgt · 07-16-2003, 09:33 AM

very good point Lash..... the car is only as fast as the driver, as well as its traction limits.

Jagey · 07-16-2003, 04:09 PM

Why the hell is everything about straight line performance? How often do you seriously need that kind of crap anyways? You buy a car for everything it has to offer. The Corvette simply looks better, handles great, has some decent speed, has prestige, and EVERYONE turns to look at one. Most people wouldn't even care if a Cobra drove by because it resembles the crappy Mustangs too much. If you are paying that much money to drive in a straight line for about 12 seconds, and you are sacrificing everything else for it, that is when you know you are making stupid purchases and you are throwing your money around.

95-GT · 07-16-2003, 05:05 PM

Ok, now you say its a crappy mustang....when I've seen more vettes broken down in my area then stangs. I dont look at any vettes, cause i personally think they are ugly. And i loved watching the one get spanked all over the road by a svt earlier today...had to have about a 20 car lenth's on him. And plus with a stang, you can sit 2 more people then a corvette. You also say it looks better, but then again, it doesnt to me. Thats YOUR opinion and your implying that it overall looks better then the SVT for everyone. Go over to a mustang forums and tell them that...they will all say the svt is nicer - because your on a ford forum and not a gm forum. And how are you throwing your money around? You save $20k when you buy a mustang over a z06.

07-10-2003, 04:08 PM	#141
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	I'm an Astro Physicist... What's credentials have to do with anything? I mean, look at Bush... He's president is he not? Just because you have credentials doesn't mean you're fit for the job or know what you're doing __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

07-10-2003, 04:14 PM	#142
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	true... but you sit there and say all this stuf about real driving like you know how to do it! when you may be the worst person behind the wheel......... i dunno i am going back to sleep now since i am starting to even confuse myself! __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-10-2003, 04:36 PM	#143
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	It doesn't take an Astro Physicist to know that it's more difficult to go around curves than it is to go in a straight line. If you don't believe me than ask Matt Fuller... He road races all the time, and well, I'm pretty sure he'll agree w/me. __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

07-10-2003, 06:21 PM	#144
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	i never said it wasnt harder............ __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-10-2003, 07:02 PM	#145
StarFire Got Bass? Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Bethel Park) Age: 44 Posts: 493 Vehicle: 2K1 GAGT >< 2K2 TA WS6	If I had my choice of a Cobra or Vette, I'd take the vette. All for the simple reason of the interior. The vette's interior is designed far better (IMO) over the mustang's. __________________ 2001 Galaxy Silver Magnaflow GAGT <> 2002 Pewter Trans Am Ram Air Ws6 Webshots Gallery Various Pictures of meets & stuff DVD Collection Vicious Perfomance #8

07-10-2003, 08:24 PM	#147
95-GT Slow 5.0 AKA: David Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Heights, MI Age: 36 Posts: 2,365 Vehicle: 89 5.0 Mustang LX	Like i said also, i am from Motorcity...where we all here LOVE drag racing.

07-10-2003, 09:30 PM	#148
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	how about the Saleen SR? the only thing is the price 150G's. i will get performance times tomarrow ALL-NEW 2002 SALEEN SR PROVIDES ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE SR Blends High Performance With Race Technology The 2002 SR from Saleen takes "street performance" to its ultimate. With an energizing 505 horsepower from its 5.8 liter Saleen Centrifugal Supercharged V-8 engine and a Saleen Racecraft designed independent rear suspension, the SR takes curves with the same force as it does straightaways. "We've used our racing experience on the track and adapted this technology in the engineering of the SR to create the ultimate street performance vehicle," said Steve Saleen, president and founder of Saleen Inc. "The SR goes from 0-60 mph 'very quickly' and hits a quarter mile speed 'very fast.'" The 2002 SR is highlighted by Saleen's 5.8-liter Ford-based engine producing 505 hp and 500 lbs of torque mated to a Saleen six-speed transmission. A custom Saleen drive shaft leads to an IRS differential system at a gear ratio of 3.55:1. Braking is through 14.4" front rotors with four-piston calipers. Rear brakes are 13.0" metallic discs with four-piston calipers. Unibody construction features a complete roll cage and suspension reinforcement system. A refined Saleen Racecraft suspension includes independent uneven length double wishbones with Saleen N2 triple adjustable shocks and adjustable sway bars in the front and a Saleen-designed push-pull Independent rear suspension. The SR also includes power assisted rack and pinion steering. Additional features include race inspired seats and a white instrument gauge cluster with a 200 mph speedometer. The Saleen SR boasts exterior aerodynamic refinements beyond the base complete body panels of the Saleen S281, including a specialty-designed composite hood, composite rear bodywork and underbody tunnel. The SR was wind-tunnel tuned at Lockheed-Martin's full-size tunnel in Marietta, Georgia. The SR comes standard with 18" wheels and Pirelli P-Zero tires. Every body part is unique to the Saleen SR, with the exception of the windows. The Saleen SR is available as a coupe only. The retail price for the Saleen SR starts at $150,000. Like all Saleen vehicles, the 2002 SR is available only at Saleen Certified Ford Dealers nationwide. Saleen manufacturing facilities include complete research, engineering, design and assembly capability. The Saleen SR meets all the same Federal government regulations as those of large automobile manufacturers, and come with a full factory warranty. Since the company's inception in 1984, Saleen has produced over 9,000 vehicles, more than any other specialty manufacturer. The company's line includes Saleen Mustangs, and Saleen Performance Parts - a complete line of performance and appearance products for Mustangs. __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-10-2003, 10:36 PM	#150
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	That's what I'm saying VTec, what's up with Ford and their numbers? $150,000 for 505 HP... You know what? I'll just spend that and get the Lingenfelter TT 800HP Corvette, with supsension mods, etc. 0-60 in 1.9 seconds, and (I BELIEVE) a 1/4 of 9-10 seconds... Nuff said! __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

07-10-2003, 11:04 PM	#152
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	Meh, haven't seen that one. Just saw the segment on Motor Trend. But it'll kick that saleen's arse, no doubt about it. __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

07-11-2003, 06:44 PM	#153
Greed4Speed Duke of Duct Tape Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: FTW, TX Age: 49 Posts: 1,021 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT sedan	For $150G you could get a Hennessey Motorsports Viper (Venom 500 or 600). They even have the Venom 1000 that can pump out 1123 RWHP. http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/...?cart=BhirxRtD __________________ I like Cobras, they taste like chicken. 01 GAGT1 w/156k miles 00 Camaro SS - AKA Rogue. Last edited by Greed4Speed; 07-13-2003 at 07:59 AM.

07-11-2003, 06:47 PM	#154
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	that Hennessey is bad a$$ my old boss trade his venom 750 for a Diablo SV........ dumb a$$! __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-11-2003, 06:50 PM	#155
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	by the way there is one running around my hometown that was done by hennessey it has something like 850 horse then he went and put a 250 HP NOS kit on it.... awesome. its never been to the track but he loves messing with impo's especially RX7's and Supra TT's __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-14-2003, 01:52 AM	#156
Licit GAGT - Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Bloomington, IN Age: 46 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	Alot of which car you prefer comes down to what you like, and whether you are cheap like me. I honestly place a lower price over how the interior looks and suspension/steering performance. I mean Car and Driver dubbed the SVT a great car for someone that wants nice straight line speed. They probably should have mentioned that it also can be geared towards tight wads like myself that pinch pennies. And I would love an F-body, one of the nicest looking cars in my opinion is the WS-6 Firebird, I can't stop drooling over the hood design. I only have GM to thank that I can't buy one new any longer. The prices on used ones in Auto Trader are a little steep for the mileage usually. My biggest problem is that I was quoted a higher insurance price for an '00 Firebird than an '03 SVT Mustang. My insurance is through a private company so I can't say what another company would do, but thats a factor. On the issue of drag vs circuit racing they are quite different like Greed4Speed said. My personal high is way better though when I launch just right and accelerate at near perfect in a straight line. That's me, others may get their better buzz hitting the apex of a corner just right and coming out hard.

07-15-2003, 10:54 PM	#157
Lash Slow 5.0 AKA: Luke Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Milwaukee Age: 42 Posts: 1,047 Vehicle: '02 ZR-2/ '89 LX 5.0	BENCH RACING IS GHEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From my personal experience....(about 20 times at the track).....it seems that mustang owners have the hardest time pulling the 1/4 numbers that are expected of them. It's easy to say that a mustang SHOULD be in the 12's...it's another thing to ACTUALLY run it. Just tonight I saw mustangs with bolt-on's galore (even an '03 cobra) and a s/c '01 GT (most with drag's).........none of them broke into the 12's. On the other hand.......I saw a new stock Z-O6 run a 12.7 on street tires. __________________ Pinto II http://videos.streetfire.net/video/4...f3013c716f.htm http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...mustangpic.jpg

07-16-2003, 09:33 AM	#158
1993Grandamgt YEPP I AM HERE Join Date: May 2003 Location: SOUDERTON, PENNSYLVANIA Age: 42 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 95GAGT	very good point Lash..... the car is only as fast as the driver, as well as its traction limits. __________________ MY NAME IS TONY MONTANA.......SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

07-16-2003, 04:09 PM	#159
Jagey Red is cool AKA: Jag Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba Age: 37 Posts: 1,919 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT Coupe	Why the hell is everything about straight line performance? How often do you seriously need that kind of crap anyways? You buy a car for everything it has to offer. The Corvette simply looks better, handles great, has some decent speed, has prestige, and EVERYONE turns to look at one. Most people wouldn't even care if a Cobra drove by because it resembles the crappy Mustangs too much. If you are paying that much money to drive in a straight line for about 12 seconds, and you are sacrificing everything else for it, that is when you know you are making stupid purchases and you are throwing your money around. __________________ 2002 Black GAGT w/ Red Accents Jagey's N-Body registry Manitoba Grand Am Club Thread

07-16-2003, 05:05 PM	#160
95-GT Slow 5.0 AKA: David Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Heights, MI Age: 36 Posts: 2,365 Vehicle: 89 5.0 Mustang LX	Ok, now you say its a crappy mustang....when I've seen more vettes broken down in my area then stangs. I dont look at any vettes, cause i personally think they are ugly. And i loved watching the one get spanked all over the road by a svt earlier today...had to have about a 20 car lenth's on him. And plus with a stang, you can sit 2 more people then a corvette. You also say it looks better, but then again, it doesnt to me. Thats YOUR opinion and your implying that it overall looks better then the SVT for everyone. Go over to a mustang forums and tell them that...they will all say the svt is nicer - because your on a ford forum and not a gm forum. And how are you throwing your money around? You save $20k when you buy a mustang over a z06.

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