HID Projector Retrofit? - Page 4

Panacea · 09-25-2003, 10:53 PM

Dave, where did the link to the auction go? WHat was the sellers name???

Rba007 · 09-26-2003, 05:13 AM

Seller was "ciggey" heres a link to his other auctions: Ciggey

iceman · 09-26-2003, 08:50 AM

Hey Dave - just double checking...

you have Power & Ground for the ballast (lights the bulb) and power + ground for the thing that moves the bulb??? That's all??

Circuit sounds simple when diode isolating but that's a high current circuit so finding a diode to support that might be tricky.. but I think I can do it with a relay.

confirm the wires you have to work with, I have an idea.

Rba007 · 09-26-2003, 09:24 AM

Thats all there is seth. SUVLIGHTS is sending me their "heavy duty" dual harness, for trucks with two batteries. I spoke with someone there on the phone a while back and for a few other cars that have the switched ground system (some toyotas for example) this system has worked. Since nothing I ever do works right the first time, Im skeptical. However I do have my fingers crossed. So if youve got an idea seth, im all ears! hopefully its something I can build (i suck at soldering). Thanks again!!!

iceman · 09-26-2003, 09:30 AM

I have an idea of how to do this with one or two relays per ballast... I gotta think about it but I want to find a diode you can use, it would make this much easier.

Rba007 · 09-26-2003, 12:38 PM

I dont even know what a Diode is, but I appreciate it seth. Once I get the suvlights harness Ill really know whats going on and what needs to be done. Id like to be able to use the harness, so it can help handle the power surge at startup.

iceman · 09-26-2003, 12:41 PM

The stock harness is fine for the HIDs.. I dunno what harness you are getting but I guess it can't hurt ?? sounds like it might just make things more complicated.

Think of a diode like a one-way street for electricity. The circuit I am thinking will tie the high-beam solenoid ground and ballast ground together, but if you don't use a blocking diode on the high beam solenoid ground, then whenever the lights are on, they would be in high-beam format.

read http://www.the12volt.com/diodes/diodes.asp

Rba007 · 09-26-2003, 09:23 PM

Just be sure to put whatever you come up with in stupid people language so I can comprehend. Thanks again!

Panacea · 09-27-2003, 11:11 AM

Seth, Dave, I was thinking last night as to how to wire this thing, and I've drawn a diagram of what I think may work.

The only thing is though, when we switch our high beams on does it cut the power to the low beams?

Diagram's attached

Rba007 · 09-27-2003, 12:29 PM

Yup, thats the dillema. When high beams get switched on, the low beam ground goes away.

Panacea · 09-27-2003, 12:32 PM

So, in my Diagram B, I have the low beams connected to the ballast, and also the high beams. So, when we switch on our high beams, it'll still power the ballast and also the projector.

Now, will that split second (when we switch to our high beams) cause the light to go out temporarily, or will the ballast have enough juice to where it won't make a difference?

Also, does the high beam have a higher wattage, and if so, will that hurt the ballast?

Rba007 · 09-27-2003, 04:23 PM

I beleive our headlights are "pull", as in that is capable of putting out the watts to power 65 watts or more for high beams, but only pulls that when necessary. Im not sure, but flashing on and off like that isnt good for the ballasts. Im anxious to hear seth's solution, and get my wire harness from suvlights. Ive got one cover made, although it looks pretty ghetto at the moment. Camera is at my girlfriends

, but Ill get pics of it soon.

Vintalage · 09-27-2003, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Panacea
So, in my Diagram B, I have the low beams connected to the ballast, and also the high beams. So, when we switch on our high beams, it'll still power the ballast and also the projector.

Now, will that split second (when we switch to our high beams) cause the light to go out temporarily, or will the ballast have enough juice to where it won't make a difference?

Also, does the high beam have a higher wattage, and if so, will that hurt the ballast?

If i'm correct on this, high beams are not higher wattage. They are the same watts as low beams, only aimed higher. Since the grand am uses 9007 bulbs which have dual filaments, the high beam filament is above the low beam which allows the light to shine higher. And as I think about it as I type, I must be correct. Look at the Bi-xenon setup. It only moves the bulb up for high beam and down for low.

Panacea · 09-27-2003, 11:42 PM

Vintelage - the way Bi-Xenon's work is that the projector has a little plate drops which allows for more light to shine.

As far as how ours works... don't ask me

Panacea · 09-28-2003, 12:42 AM

http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/headlamp-harness.html

Some good reading Dave, unfortunately this is going to be a major PITA. I have a feeling we'll have the stupid SVS light due to it thinking there's a bulb out... I'm almost thinking of just wiring up a switch instead of using the stock headlight switch...

Rba007 · 09-28-2003, 09:49 AM

Ive read through that. I think all will turn out and work fine eventually. Itll just take some tinkering. Thats why im glad I dont plan on installing these puppies till spring. Ive got plenty of time and no pressure to get stuff working fast.

09-28-2003, 10:09 AM

Good plan. When I made my warbird hood I did the same thing. Bought another hood to work on so I could leave my stock one on & take my time n' do it right. Much the same as the way your going about the headlights. This is a great thread, I think we'll all learn from this & hopefully you'll have it all figured out so others will be able to pull it off w/out costly mistakes.

Rba007 · 09-28-2003, 11:50 AM

Ill get it eventually, and thats the entire point of this thread. I want others to be able to do the same, without the trouble that im sure to have (havent really had it yet luckily). I dont plan to have this done anytime soon, thats for sure. Its going to be a warm weather install. Itll be complete by xmas, but it wont get installed till spring...

Rba007 · 09-28-2003, 04:27 PM

Todays Update: Sheilds In place. Used some sheet aluminum I had laying around. I just used a peice of paper to make the initial version, then used that paper to cut the aluminum. Used some clear epoxy to secure it.

Rba007 · 09-28-2003, 04:29 PM

Another

09-26-2003, 05:13 AM	#62
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09-26-2003, 08:50 AM	#63
iceman woop woop AKA: Seth Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Age: 41 Posts: 10,528 Vehicle: 97 Blazer - 84 Fiero	Hey Dave - just double checking... you have Power & Ground for the ballast (lights the bulb) and power + ground for the thing that moves the bulb??? That's all?? Circuit sounds simple when diode isolating but that's a high current circuit so finding a diode to support that might be tricky.. but I think I can do it with a relay. confirm the wires you have to work with, I have an idea. __________________ --Seth Support GrandAmGT.com sponsors! My Picture Gallery \| GoneDragRacing.com Drag Racing Photos & Videos

09-26-2003, 09:24 AM	#64
Rba007 GAGT Oldie AKA: Dave Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N. Muskegon MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,444 Vehicle: 04 Grand Prix GT	Thats all there is seth. SUVLIGHTS is sending me their "heavy duty" dual harness, for trucks with two batteries. I spoke with someone there on the phone a while back and for a few other cars that have the switched ground system (some toyotas for example) this system has worked. Since nothing I ever do works right the first time, Im skeptical. However I do have my fingers crossed. So if youve got an idea seth, im all ears! hopefully its something I can build (i suck at soldering). Thanks again!!! __________________ Dave's Sexy Ride "Sul3LiME883: i'm drunk tho. i'd throw myself at a penis right now, i bet." "When you step over the line, your nuts are mine" "ArcticSun GT: u do smell dave, smell like awesomeness"

09-26-2003, 09:30 AM	#65
iceman woop woop AKA: Seth Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Age: 41 Posts: 10,528 Vehicle: 97 Blazer - 84 Fiero	I have an idea of how to do this with one or two relays per ballast... I gotta think about it but I want to find a diode you can use, it would make this much easier. __________________ --Seth Support GrandAmGT.com sponsors! My Picture Gallery \| GoneDragRacing.com Drag Racing Photos & Videos

09-26-2003, 12:38 PM	#66
Rba007 GAGT Oldie AKA: Dave Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N. Muskegon MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,444 Vehicle: 04 Grand Prix GT	I dont even know what a Diode is, but I appreciate it seth. Once I get the suvlights harness Ill really know whats going on and what needs to be done. Id like to be able to use the harness, so it can help handle the power surge at startup. __________________ Dave's Sexy Ride "Sul3LiME883: i'm drunk tho. i'd throw myself at a penis right now, i bet." "When you step over the line, your nuts are mine" "ArcticSun GT: u do smell dave, smell like awesomeness"

09-25-2003, 10:53 PM	#61
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	Dave, where did the link to the auction go? WHat was the sellers name???

09-26-2003, 12:41 PM	#67
iceman woop woop AKA: Seth Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Age: 41 Posts: 10,528 Vehicle: 97 Blazer - 84 Fiero	The stock harness is fine for the HIDs.. I dunno what harness you are getting but I guess it can't hurt ?? sounds like it might just make things more complicated. Think of a diode like a one-way street for electricity. The circuit I am thinking will tie the high-beam solenoid ground and ballast ground together, but if you don't use a blocking diode on the high beam solenoid ground, then whenever the lights are on, they would be in high-beam format. read http://www.the12volt.com/diodes/diodes.asp __________________ --Seth Support GrandAmGT.com sponsors! My Picture Gallery \| GoneDragRacing.com Drag Racing Photos & Videos

09-26-2003, 09:23 PM	#68
Rba007 GAGT Oldie AKA: Dave Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N. Muskegon MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,444 Vehicle: 04 Grand Prix GT	Just be sure to put whatever you come up with in stupid people language so I can comprehend. Thanks again! __________________ Dave's Sexy Ride "Sul3LiME883: i'm drunk tho. i'd throw myself at a penis right now, i bet." "When you step over the line, your nuts are mine" "ArcticSun GT: u do smell dave, smell like awesomeness"

09-27-2003, 11:11 AM	#69
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	Seth, Dave, I was thinking last night as to how to wire this thing, and I've drawn a diagram of what I think may work. The only thing is though, when we switch our high beams on does it cut the power to the low beams? Diagram's attached

09-27-2003, 12:29 PM	#70
Rba007 GAGT Oldie AKA: Dave Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N. Muskegon MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,444 Vehicle: 04 Grand Prix GT	Yup, thats the dillema. When high beams get switched on, the low beam ground goes away. __________________ Dave's Sexy Ride "Sul3LiME883: i'm drunk tho. i'd throw myself at a penis right now, i bet." "When you step over the line, your nuts are mine" "ArcticSun GT: u do smell dave, smell like awesomeness"

09-27-2003, 12:32 PM	#71
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	So, in my Diagram B, I have the low beams connected to the ballast, and also the high beams. So, when we switch on our high beams, it'll still power the ballast and also the projector. Now, will that split second (when we switch to our high beams) cause the light to go out temporarily, or will the ballast have enough juice to where it won't make a difference? Also, does the high beam have a higher wattage, and if so, will that hurt the ballast? __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

09-27-2003, 04:23 PM	#72
Rba007 GAGT Oldie AKA: Dave Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N. Muskegon MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,444 Vehicle: 04 Grand Prix GT	I beleive our headlights are "pull", as in that is capable of putting out the watts to power 65 watts or more for high beams, but only pulls that when necessary. Im not sure, but flashing on and off like that isnt good for the ballasts. Im anxious to hear seth's solution, and get my wire harness from suvlights. Ive got one cover made, although it looks pretty ghetto at the moment. Camera is at my girlfriends , but Ill get pics of it soon. __________________ Dave's Sexy Ride "Sul3LiME883: i'm drunk tho. i'd throw myself at a penis right now, i bet." "When you step over the line, your nuts are mine" "ArcticSun GT: u do smell dave, smell like awesomeness"

09-27-2003, 11:42 PM	#74
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	Vintelage - the way Bi-Xenon's work is that the projector has a little plate drops which allows for more light to shine. As far as how ours works... don't ask me __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience." Last edited by Panacea; 09-28-2003 at 12:12 AM.

09-28-2003, 12:42 AM	#75
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/headlamp-harness.html Some good reading Dave, unfortunately this is going to be a major PITA. I have a feeling we'll have the stupid SVS light due to it thinking there's a bulb out... I'm almost thinking of just wiring up a switch instead of using the stock headlight switch... __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

09-28-2003, 09:49 AM	#76
Rba007 GAGT Oldie AKA: Dave Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N. Muskegon MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,444 Vehicle: 04 Grand Prix GT	Ive read through that. I think all will turn out and work fine eventually. Itll just take some tinkering. Thats why im glad I dont plan on installing these puppies till spring. Ive got plenty of time and no pressure to get stuff working fast. __________________ Dave's Sexy Ride "Sul3LiME883: i'm drunk tho. i'd throw myself at a penis right now, i bet." "When you step over the line, your nuts are mine" "ArcticSun GT: u do smell dave, smell like awesomeness"

09-28-2003, 10:09 AM	#77
Joey K Guest Posts: n/a	Good plan. When I made my warbird hood I did the same thing. Bought another hood to work on so I could leave my stock one on & take my time n' do it right. Much the same as the way your going about the headlights. This is a great thread, I think we'll all learn from this & hopefully you'll have it all figured out so others will be able to pull it off w/out costly mistakes.

09-28-2003, 11:50 AM	#78
Rba007 GAGT Oldie AKA: Dave Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N. Muskegon MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,444 Vehicle: 04 Grand Prix GT	Ill get it eventually, and thats the entire point of this thread. I want others to be able to do the same, without the trouble that im sure to have (havent really had it yet luckily). I dont plan to have this done anytime soon, thats for sure. Its going to be a warm weather install. Itll be complete by xmas, but it wont get installed till spring... __________________ Dave's Sexy Ride "Sul3LiME883: i'm drunk tho. i'd throw myself at a penis right now, i bet." "When you step over the line, your nuts are mine" "ArcticSun GT: u do smell dave, smell like awesomeness"

09-28-2003, 04:27 PM	#79
Rba007 GAGT Oldie AKA: Dave Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N. Muskegon MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,444 Vehicle: 04 Grand Prix GT	Todays Update: Sheilds In place. Used some sheet aluminum I had laying around. I just used a peice of paper to make the initial version, then used that paper to cut the aluminum. Used some clear epoxy to secure it. __________________ Dave's Sexy Ride "Sul3LiME883: i'm drunk tho. i'd throw myself at a penis right now, i bet." "When you step over the line, your nuts are mine" "ArcticSun GT: u do smell dave, smell like awesomeness"

09-28-2003, 04:29 PM	#80
Rba007 GAGT Oldie AKA: Dave Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N. Muskegon MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,444 Vehicle: 04 Grand Prix GT	Another __________________ Dave's Sexy Ride "Sul3LiME883: i'm drunk tho. i'd throw myself at a penis right now, i bet." "When you step over the line, your nuts are mine" "ArcticSun GT: u do smell dave, smell like awesomeness"

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