S&S vs. TOG - Page 5

PontiacGT2K · 11-14-2003, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by eric99gt
another dumb question from the engine noob, but should I def get these ceramic coated. what are the benefits????

Yeah you should def. get them ceramic coated. They look better, flow better, perform better, and manage heat better. All around better.

eric99gt · 11-14-2003, 08:20 PM

i understand the heat aspect. but how do they flow better????

jazzman · 11-14-2003, 08:24 PM

Correct me if i'm wrong but if the pipes are hotter gases don't flow as well? maybe its the other way around.

Derek

PontiacGT2K · 11-14-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by eric99gt
i understand the heat aspect. but how do they flow better????

Well.....the higher the heat inside the pipe the higher the velocity, the more power you're getting. If the heat escapes the primaries, the velocity gets lower, the less the flow. It's all physics stuff.....but you want the gases to flow out as quick as they can, at the highest velocity, to do that you have to keep the heat in.

Also, it keeps heat from radiating to the intake, thus giving you more power.

jazzman · 11-14-2003, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by PontiacGT2K
Well.....the higher the heat inside the pipe the higher the velocity, the more power you're getting. If the heat escapes the primaries, the velocity gets lower, the less the flow. It's all physics stuff.....but you want the gases to flow out as quick as they can, at the highest velocity, to do that you have to keep the heat in.

Also, it keeps heat from radiating to the intake, thus giving you more power.

Ok yeah thats what i was trying to think of. Thanks andy.

Derek

claymore · 11-15-2003, 04:24 PM

just got the car today, and like those who posted before me, I can tell the difference right from the start and I love it!!!
But, does the Raspyness diminish after a while??? I know my SLP exhaust was a tad raspy for the first two months of driving it and now it went away

PontiacGT2K · 11-16-2003, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by claymore
just got the car today, and like those who posted before me, I can tell the difference right from the start and I love it!!!
But, does the Raspyness diminish after a while??? I know my SLP exhaust was a tad raspy for the first two months of driving it and now it went away

That's the thing with headers, the sound doesn't go away. It'll sound like that forever.

claymore · 11-16-2003, 11:10 AM

Is there any way I can make it less raspy? like getting resonator tips or something. I also noticed that It really only sounds raspy from inside, my wife took my car on an errand this morning and I listend to it as she drove away. It sounded like a little like my Fathers 1959 Fairlane when he had glass packs in.

PontiacGT2K · 11-16-2003, 11:41 AM

You can get a resonator or something, like a Magnaflow round style. Won't restrict flow, just changes the sound.

That's what you have to expect when you get headers though, sound changes dramatically, some say for the worse. You don't get headers for the sound.

coupe · 11-16-2003, 02:03 PM

It cant sound that bad. I heard Daves (kubuiache) and it aint that bad. What do you have for a cat? and do you still have the SLP?

kubiache · 11-16-2003, 06:58 PM

WHen I'm above like 3/4 throttle, I hear it the most. But I grew used to it fairly quick, and now kinda like it.

H.O. Driver · 11-16-2003, 07:07 PM

The raspiness will go away with a resonator but then its more restrictions, its up to you, you need to decide if you want performance or sound.

PontiacGT2K · 11-16-2003, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by H.O. Driver
The raspiness will go away with a resonator but then its more restrictions, its up to you, you need to decide if you want performance or sound.

THe magnaflow resonators are straight-thru, no restriction whatsoever.

H.O. Driver · 11-16-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by PontiacGT2K
THe magnaflow resonators are straight-thru, no restriction whatsoever.

Sweet, now I Know what to get, hehe

RAZE · 11-16-2003, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by claymore
Is there any way I can make it less raspy? like getting resonator tips or something.

Silencers

coupe · 11-17-2003, 02:44 PM

No resinator for me thank you very much. I like what Daves(kubiache) SS headers and SLP sounds like but i am curious how different magnaflow is gonna be in sound. Cant waite to find out.

Avsguy01 · 11-17-2003, 08:08 PM

I cant wait to hear what my Borla sounds like with my install.

coupe · 11-18-2003, 12:35 PM

Like kids in a candy store.

.

Blackrider · 11-18-2003, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Avsguy01
I cant wait to hear what my Borla sounds like with my install.

You'll like it man Videoman has Borla and TOG headers and its sounds louded and more agressive!

bszopi · 11-18-2003, 01:46 PM

For those of you interested (I know Blackrider was), here is a PDF of the discussion from GMPowerTalk about the TOG headers from back in Dec 2001. As I was creating the PDF, I saw some familiar names that took part in the conversation....

http://www.60degreev6.com/hlperf/60V...%20Headers.pdf

Its 96 PDF pages, or 9 forum pages, and I think around 177 posts. But you will see where my sore spot for TOG came from.

11-14-2003, 08:20 PM	#82
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11-14-2003, 08:24 PM	#83
jazzman Pontiac Performance AKA: Derek Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Wisconsin Age: 35 Posts: 460 Vehicle: 95 GA 95 Mustang GT	Correct me if i'm wrong but if the pipes are hotter gases don't flow as well? maybe its the other way around. Derek __________________ - Derek The Garage 1995 Grand Am SE - SOLD 1998 Grand Prix GTP - SOLD 1995 Mustang GT - LS Swap in Progress! 2005 Cadillac CTS-V - Tint, Magnaflow, Stereo

11-16-2003, 11:41 AM	#89
PontiacGT2K It's coming... AKA: Andy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Charles, Illinois / Milwaukee, Wisconsin (school) Age: 37 Posts: 2,486 Vehicle: '03 350z Touring	You can get a resonator or something, like a Magnaflow round style. Won't restrict flow, just changes the sound. That's what you have to expect when you get headers though, sound changes dramatically, some say for the worse. You don't get headers for the sound. __________________ Team GMCI "Get the ambulance, my stomach fell out."

11-16-2003, 02:03 PM	#90
coupe lick it AKA: Rand Join Date: May 2003 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi Age: 40 Posts: 7,347 Vehicle: 99 GAGT/96 Z71/05 R6	It cant sound that bad. I heard Daves (kubuiache) and it aint that bad. What do you have for a cat? and do you still have the SLP? __________________ CarDomain.com http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=31690558 he has asserted his dominance over competing males with the loud masculine sound form his exaust system, Females searching for a potential mate will be driven away by weaker exaust systems and attracted to his SLP.

11-16-2003, 06:58 PM	#91
kubiache Get blown Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 42 Posts: 1,858 Vehicle: 1998 GTP	WHen I'm above like 3/4 throttle, I hear it the most. But I grew used to it fairly quick, and now kinda like it. __________________ Dave Woodward '01 GA SE --- 14.864 @ 92.61mph.....NA '98 GTP - NIC cam / P&P heads / 105# springs / Titanium retainers / INTENSE LW pushrods / CC Lifters / INTENSE TCS-300 / ZZP Poly mounts / RT 3" DP / PEMs / ZZP MPS 3.2, 3.0 / Wizair / 103s / DHP / AFC 2.2 .......still tuning

11-15-2003, 04:24 PM	#86
claymore PrtHd4lf Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: shippensburg PA Age: 41 Posts: 249 Vehicle: 99 Red 2dr	just got the car today, and like those who posted before me, I can tell the difference right from the start and I love it!!! But, does the Raspyness diminish after a while??? I know my SLP exhaust was a tad raspy for the first two months of driving it and now it went away

11-16-2003, 11:10 AM	#88
claymore PrtHd4lf Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: shippensburg PA Age: 41 Posts: 249 Vehicle: 99 Red 2dr	Is there any way I can make it less raspy? like getting resonator tips or something. I also noticed that It really only sounds raspy from inside, my wife took my car on an errand this morning and I listend to it as she drove away. It sounded like a little like my Fathers 1959 Fairlane when he had glass packs in.

11-16-2003, 07:07 PM	#92
H.O. Driver I drive a V6 H.O. AKA: Timmah! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Boyne City, MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,694 Vehicle: 99 GT, 03 DTS, 04 SRX	The raspiness will go away with a resonator but then its more restrictions, its up to you, you need to decide if you want performance or sound. __________________ 1999 GA GT - lots of mods - Sold and missing it... 2001 GP GTP Special Edtion - Sold 2002 T/A - T-Tops, AT, LS6 intake, mainly stock - Sold 2003 Cadillac DTS - Gangsta Grandpa car - Gone 2004 Cadillac SRX - Baby hauler -Sold and missing it Life is too short to drive boring cars....why is that all I have now??????

11-17-2003, 02:44 PM	#96
coupe lick it AKA: Rand Join Date: May 2003 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi Age: 40 Posts: 7,347 Vehicle: 99 GAGT/96 Z71/05 R6	No resinator for me thank you very much. I like what Daves(kubiache) SS headers and SLP sounds like but i am curious how different magnaflow is gonna be in sound. Cant waite to find out. __________________ CarDomain.com http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=31690558 he has asserted his dominance over competing males with the loud masculine sound form his exaust system, Females searching for a potential mate will be driven away by weaker exaust systems and attracted to his SLP.

11-17-2003, 08:08 PM	#97
Avsguy01 Roll'n down the road Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Clayton, De Age: 39 Posts: 717 Vehicle: 2003 Grand Am GT Coup	I cant wait to hear what my Borla sounds like with my install. __________________ Michael "MSK" P O N T I A C *Grand Am GT* New time coming up this spring My N-Body Registry My Cardomain

11-18-2003, 12:35 PM	#98
coupe lick it AKA: Rand Join Date: May 2003 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi Age: 40 Posts: 7,347 Vehicle: 99 GAGT/96 Z71/05 R6	Like kids in a candy store.. __________________ CarDomain.com http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=31690558 he has asserted his dominance over competing males with the loud masculine sound form his exaust system, Females searching for a potential mate will be driven away by weaker exaust systems and attracted to his SLP.

11-18-2003, 01:46 PM	#100
bszopi User account under probation AKA: Brad Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rogers, AR Age: 46 Posts: 1,391 Vehicle: 1989 Ford Mustang	For those of you interested (I know Blackrider was), here is a PDF of the discussion from GMPowerTalk about the TOG headers from back in Dec 2001. As I was creating the PDF, I saw some familiar names that took part in the conversation.... http://www.60degreev6.com/hlperf/60V...%20Headers.pdf Its 96 PDF pages, or 9 forum pages, and I think around 177 posts. But you will see where my sore spot for TOG came from.

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