Chevrolet Cobalt News: Photos of the SS sedan on dealer lot - Page 5

Mike3800 · 11-30-2004, 11:55 AM

I'd rather have a Grand Prix than an Altima or Maxima.

AznGA · 11-30-2004, 11:58 AM

I dunno about Maxima, but definltey Grand Prix over Altima.

jake3217 · 11-30-2004, 03:01 PM

*shrug*, I'd rather have a Grand Prix base/GT over an Altima and a Grand Prix GTP over a Maxima.

Mike3800 · 11-30-2004, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jake3217

*shrug*, I'd rather have a Grand Prix base/GT over an Altima and a Grand Prix GTP over a Maxima.

I'm on the same page.

crazypontiac03 · 11-30-2004, 04:43 PM

I rather have the Grand Prix over the maxima

Vintalage · 11-30-2004, 04:48 PM

I'd rather have the Maxima over the Grand prix. N/A power from the Max.

Seriously though, I don't like the exterior design or the interior design of the new grand prix. Very ugly interior.

Mike3800 · 11-30-2004, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintalage

N/A power from the Max.

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Boost is more fun, much more fun to modify. That's one reason why I prefer the Legacy GT over Max Alty and Prix.

crazypontiac03 · 11-30-2004, 05:32 PM

O YA.... I want that Legacy GT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another year or So.....

fo44rd · 11-30-2004, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jake3217

And please, don't give us any more of this "does GM even have anything that can compete with an Accord?" crap. I'm sick of it, there is nothing mythical and magical about the Accord that sets it head and shoulders above everything else.

Mythical, sure:

They have proven reliablity and durability. They run on average on a 7 year model cycle, then the whole car get redone. Honda engines have always been some of the best in the world, at their price point. Here is one for all the domestics: It has not changed names since it was introduced! There was never a need to reinvent the wheel or drag a name into the mud with fleet giveaways and de-contenting (Taurus, Sable, Intrepid, Lumina, GA, GP, the list gots on) then have to dredge up new name, because you ruined the orginals (meet 500, Impala, G6, etc.)

Honda has NEVER given a break and sold to fleets for bumping numbers in sales. The sales war between Camry and Accord is won by a few thousand units every year by Toyota. Toyota spikes the numbers to win by selling to fleets. Honda will not sell any of their product. There is a mythical side to Honda.

I don't want to buy Japanese. I root for America, but I am not going to stand behind a product I find deficient. I do belive 500 will be closest when it gets 250 horsepower in 2007. HOWEVER, buy one that year because FORD will ruin by de-contenting for profit shortly thereafter. I think you can kiss the painted mirror lids and nice seats goodbye after 2007.

VTECSiGAH8R · 12-01-2004, 06:42 AM

IDK, the Maxima interior looks impressive in pics but I just wasn't that impressed in person. It's better than the GP GTP interior, but I prefer the GTP's exterior looks and power over the Maxima. Although it only ran low 15s in the 1/4, that's with an ECU that's doing everything it can to minimize wear on the tranny, lowering power/boost before shift points, limiting boost overall, etc. There's a lot of ground to be gained just off of ECU tuning before you even start on improving intake/exhaust flow and changing in a different pulley.

Plus I like how it has a sort of gyroscope yaw control over the brakes to keep the car from pulling one direction or another when hard stopping. For instance, they tested it while stopping with one side of the car on wet road and the other on dry, and when they slammed on the brakes, the computer kept the car from spinning out by adjusting the brakes, even though the traction on each side was severely different. I believe they did the same tests on the Maxima and although they maintained control, they said it was on the verge of spinning out and they were definately sweating after the whole experience was over with.

customcarsff · 12-05-2004, 05:34 PM

this is chevy's last try at the tuner industry. i think they missed out and made another comuter "cavalier". i think chevy should have further modified there cavalier line b/c everyone who owns a cavy now feels left out in the cold with no where to go. i know b/c i use to own one. i had a 97" 2.4L, i loved it it was a beast quick with pretty good torque. but after they just stopped with the cavy's i had to go to the grand am gt. to bad they didnt make it with a manual tranny. 3.4L V6.

customcarsff · 12-05-2004, 05:41 PM

i'd take the new GTO over all those cars.

fo44rd · 12-06-2004, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VTECSiGAH8R

IDK, the Maxima interior looks impressive in pics but I just wasn't that impressed in person. It's better than the GP GTP interior, but I prefer the GTP's exterior looks and power over the Maxima.

Plus I like how it has a sort of gyroscope yaw control over the brakes to keep the car from pulling one direction or another when hard stopping.

Yes, but no 2 door for either.

I cannot see why the manufacturers refuse to put a limited slip (posi)in these cars! Dodge can do it for a 20,000ish SRT-4 and these guys can't do it for cars costing a lot more?

My opinion: Any FWD car with 200 horsepower should have limited slip(posi).

Mike3800 · 12-06-2004, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fo44rd

Yes, but no 2 door for either.

I cannot see why the manufacturers refuse to put a limited slip (posi)in these cars! Dodge can do it for a 20,000ish SRT-4 and these guys can't do it for cars costing a lot more?

My opinion: Any FWD car with 200 horsepower should have limited slip(posi).

FYI posi and limited slip are not the same thing.

fo44rd · 12-06-2004, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by customcarsff

i'd take the new GTO over all those cars.

Agreed!

30,000 for V8 and RWD or FWD and a V6! However it is like compairing apples to oranges, because I wouldn't buy a 4 door car, unless I got a smoking deal on it. Of the 2 4 doors in my fleet, I paid a combined 4,000 for them.

fo44rd · 12-06-2004, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike3800

FYI posi and limited slip are not the same thing.

Yes, my goof.

Essentially the same, however thans for pointing out a triviality!

Mike3800 · 12-06-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fo44rd

Yes, my goof.

Essentially the same, however thans for pointing out a triviality!

Inaccuracies like that are irritating. Kind of like somebody talking about putting "NOS" on their car.

fo44rd · 12-06-2004, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike3800

Inaccuracies like that are irritating. Kind of like somebody talking about putting "NOS" on their car.

Whatever, here:

Any car with FWD and over 200 horsepower sould have posi.

OR

Any car with FWD and over 200 horsepower should have L.S.D.

Mike3800...................you decide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike3800 · 12-06-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fo44rd

Whatever, here:

Any car with FWD and over 200 horsepower sould have posi.

OR

Any car with FWD and over 200 horsepower should have L.S.D.

Mike3800...................you decide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope... you still don't have it. Here... educate yourself.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm

fo44rd · 12-08-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike3800

Nope... you still don't have it. Here... educate yourself.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm

" We'll also look at several types of positraction, also known as limited slip differentials. "

It says it right there

PLAIN AS DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11-30-2004, 03:01 PM	#83
jake3217 Operation .500 AKA: J Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: - Posts: 484 Vehicle: -	shrug, I'd rather have a Grand Prix base/GT over an Altima and a Grand Prix GTP over a Maxima. __________________ Mods: 15" hubcaps, cold Wisconsin air, brand new FRAM air filter, newly flushed radiator

11-30-2004, 04:43 PM	#85
crazypontiac03 MiDnIgHt AKA: Jason/Sparky Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: IL Age: 37 Posts: 3,019 Vehicle: 2008 HHR/05 Galant	I rather have the Grand Prix over the maxima __________________ Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, if it wasn't for FORD's our tools would rust! "Unions were the rise and will be the fall of this Great Nation" "A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... And how many want out." Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. -Tony Blair

11-30-2004, 04:48 PM	#86
Vintalage Hey paisanos! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Maryland Age: 38 Posts: 5,490 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT1	I'd rather have the Maxima over the Grand prix. N/A power from the Max. Seriously though, I don't like the exterior design or the interior design of the new grand prix. Very ugly interior. __________________ 2002 Grand Am GT1 Sedan - Black 7000K HID PICS [SOLD to Jscarano]

11-30-2004, 05:32 PM	#88
crazypontiac03 MiDnIgHt AKA: Jason/Sparky Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: IL Age: 37 Posts: 3,019 Vehicle: 2008 HHR/05 Galant	O YA.... I want that Legacy GT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another year or So..... __________________ Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, if it wasn't for FORD's our tools would rust! "Unions were the rise and will be the fall of this Great Nation" "A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... And how many want out." Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. -Tony Blair

12-05-2004, 05:34 PM	#91
customcarsff GRAND (GT) Master AKA: jonathan Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Brick, New Jerz Age: 37 Posts: 177 Vehicle: 2000 Grand am GT Coupe	the cobalt this is chevy's last try at the tuner industry. i think they missed out and made another comuter "cavalier". i think chevy should have further modified there cavalier line b/c everyone who owns a cavy now feels left out in the cold with no where to go. i know b/c i use to own one. i had a 97" 2.4L, i loved it it was a beast quick with pretty good torque. but after they just stopped with the cavy's i had to go to the grand am gt. to bad they didnt make it with a manual tranny. 3.4L V6.

11-30-2004, 11:55 AM	#81
Mike3800 GAGT - Junkie AKA: Michael Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northglenn, CO USA Age: 49 Posts: 3,394 Vehicle: 2015 Chrysler 200S AWD	I'd rather have a Grand Prix than an Altima or Maxima.

11-30-2004, 11:58 AM	#82
AznGA GAGT - Junkie AKA: YJ Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Midwest Posts: 4,440 Vehicle: GAGT	I dunno about Maxima, but definltey Grand Prix over Altima.

12-01-2004, 06:42 AM	#90
VTECSiGAH8R GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Miami, FL Age: 36 Posts: 1,346 Vehicle: 97 Honda Civic DX	IDK, the Maxima interior looks impressive in pics but I just wasn't that impressed in person. It's better than the GP GTP interior, but I prefer the GTP's exterior looks and power over the Maxima. Although it only ran low 15s in the 1/4, that's with an ECU that's doing everything it can to minimize wear on the tranny, lowering power/boost before shift points, limiting boost overall, etc. There's a lot of ground to be gained just off of ECU tuning before you even start on improving intake/exhaust flow and changing in a different pulley. Plus I like how it has a sort of gyroscope yaw control over the brakes to keep the car from pulling one direction or another when hard stopping. For instance, they tested it while stopping with one side of the car on wet road and the other on dry, and when they slammed on the brakes, the computer kept the car from spinning out by adjusting the brakes, even though the traction on each side was severely different. I believe they did the same tests on the Maxima and although they maintained control, they said it was on the verge of spinning out and they were definately sweating after the whole experience was over with.

12-05-2004, 05:41 PM	#92
customcarsff GRAND (GT) Master AKA: jonathan Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Brick, New Jerz Age: 37 Posts: 177 Vehicle: 2000 Grand am GT Coupe	and oh yea i'd take the new GTO over all those cars.