Q for you Turbo Guys

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by fast_ga

Well phantom in your defense, I've seen 2 seperate older Cavaliers run 12's in my life, both early 90's models with the old 3.1 T motor. Both running turbo's and mild internal work on the motor. No major suspension or weight reduction work either.
I say if they can do it so can you!

There was a 2.4L boosted cavalier that hit 12.9 on a stock bottom end. Than about three months later of 14psi or so (don't quote me it was around that) he blew up and is building a beefy motor for it.

I believe phantom can do it, he's got his **** together. Moreso than myself.

[KpazzH0ly]

You know phantom I give you so much props. People really dont understand the value of transmissions. And I admire ur dream, cuz In a way I share it. Not saying that I can do it. I just want to see someone do it. And that turbo will spool up nicely off the line, seeing how u have a manual, and u can brake torque. But the gear ratio, and the way your curve is going can realy help. If you want I can PM you a mathematical formula for gear ratios, So you can get a 12 sec car. But what would i know? Im just a stupid kid in an automotive school. Pssh School.... I hope that someone can put this in a different forum, cuz this is now way off topic, and should be planted in something totally different.

[Schweppe23]

He has an auto.

[Irate]

I remember watching a video of an 80's Dodge Caravan running a 12-something beating a Z28 at the track.

[FORTEEN3GT]

i proudly support the "Phantom Movement"!

Hell no he wont go .....13's

Hell no he wont go .....13's

Hell no he wont go .....13's


Good luck.... let me know when a form of boost comes out that works with S & S Headers! K, Thanks

Mod Money is tight 4 Me!

Fast GA...... go with the turbo, it is a great mod if you want a fast car.
go with the s/c if you want to keep it simple.
By the way..... the Grand AM has more engine potential then the GTP! but is inferior when it comes to boost.... sorry to say the m62 < m90!
but a v-9 G Trim Vortech > m90!... if you can have 11 second (150 Stock HP)Hondas you will see 12 Second (175 Stock HP) Grand Ams

[fast_ga]

I probably wont be going with either for now. Im getting married in June and that is where all my damn money seems to be going right now! After that and after we settle in i'll start on something, probably gonna stick to NA though, just tear my motor down and have the heads done and some other stuff i havent done yet.

[KpazzH0ly]

Yes I know he has an auto, and I saw that caravan video! Very inspirational.
Well congrats on the marriage!

[Schweppe23]

Originally Posted by KpazzH0ly

And that turbo will spool up nicely off the line, seeing how u have a manual, and u can brake torque.

[PACE]

I think my signature says it all about our friend K...whatever.

[fast_ga]

Originally Posted by PACE

I think my signature says it all about our friend K...whatever.

BTW there is a grand prix in th 10's and a few running 11's. I think if that can be done on grand prixs than i think phantom can run 12's. I know it cost a little more to do but it would be sweet to have a car like ours that is that fast, because like it was said we are underdogs and people would not expect that from our cars.

[PACE]

Originally Posted by rfenn

BTW there is a grand prix in th 10's and a few running 11's. I think if that can be done on grand prixs than i think phantom can run 12's. I know it cost a little more to do but it would be sweet to have a car like ours that is that fast, because like it was said we are underdogs and people would not expect that from our cars.

Here we go again

[TheShizzy]

assuming wont do anybody any good. so stop assuming your gonna run 12s, and stop assuming he wont. JUST GO TO THE TRACK!! so this madness can all stop. but until then stop bragging about YOURSELF, we all know! all of you need to stay on topic, and help this guy out, instead of stealing his thread with your own BS.

[Irate]

I will paypal $5 to the first GA from this site to run in the 12's without nitrous. You must have good proof too.



(Um, car must be 99+ w/ original 2.4 or 3400)

[TheShizzy]

hey rob, have you put anymore goodies on your rig??

by the way rob, were you happy with your SC? im debating wheather or not to get it. any pros and cons you can tell me?

[Irate]

nothing new on the ride lately - I still have yet to run a time w/ headers and cam... (unless you want to count my crappy 13.4 @ 89 mph )

I was completely happy with my SC. It was by far the best decision I ever made concerning my car. I can't think of a single con, yet the list of pros is endless... It just changes the characteristic of the car and truly makes it a bad-ass tire-smokin' ride.

[PontiacGT2K]

By the way guys......I bought a new Nismo j-spec motor, turbonetic t68 turbo, and a fully built lsd for the rear axle. My Xterra WILLL be running 12's this summer.

Anyways.....I'm interested in seeing this how this whole turbo Grand Am thing pans out. If Ecap can run a 13.7 with a lil spray and some dr's, then someone here sure as hell should be able to do better with boost and a built tranny, and hopefully some dr's.

[mcgavinz26]

at most of this topic. I guess all forums have a lot of bickering. Nothing against you guys, but I would have to guess that the problem is the people trying to tune the cars, not the cars themselves. Also, your transmissions too. Someone just needs to go out to the junk yard and find the parts to swap in a getrag 282. All the older FWD V6 GMs used them and Fieros use them with V8s, they can handle the power with nothing more than a good set of OEM axles and a strong clutch. The 4cyl versions of your cars come with a manual optional, so theres your shifter and clutch pedal. From there its probably no more than a matter of welding up a tranny mount in the right spot. Your cars have the body panels ready to be punched out for the shifter cables and the clutch pedal cables too, just like the beretta. On the Beretta Z26 (the Z26s with V6s never came with a manual) manual swap, there was only a matter of one or two wires to be worked out on the ECU and the swap went just fine. You just needed to tell the ECU that the car wasn't in park to get rid of the 4krpm revlimiter in park. One electrical wire. The rest was just a matter of peicing together the right parts from other older berettas that came with a manual. I am willing to bet that while it may be more time consuming than a 4t45 upgrade, the results would be much better. Berettas with V6 autos usually run atleast 4 tenths slower in the 1/4 than the manual V6s. This is of corse when both have stock transmissions, no real upgrades. But oh well, my words probably fall on deaf ears and ready to flame lips, I was just bored at work and desided to stop by.

And the only Beretta that I know of with a 3.4 and manual tranny ran a 14.9 with basically nothing special. I dont see why you guys couldn't do the same with a manual, and then getting to 13s would be a lot easier.

[phantom505]

If you are working with absolutely stock items you are absolutely right. But if I am getting custom work done, I'm sticking with the AUTO. For my purposes it is better. One simple reason is that when I hit full boost with a turbo with an auto, it stays at full boost all the way down the track. It doesn't drop off. Once I'm at WOT and stay at WOT, I'm boosted. A manual I would have to take my foot off the throttle a bit and I would loose boost.

[KpazzH0ly]

Yes sorry I don't know why I wrote that. And Pace, I don't see why its a big deal that I don't like the sound Of a ROOTs s/c. I don't like the sound of that wineing. Real cool to put that as ur sig.