62 mm TB's

[phantom505]

PS: We FINALLY get stuff done and it is greeted with about as much fanfair as the G6... oh well.

Originally Posted by phantom505

Appearantly you didn't get one with a plasic plug and a jacked up screw holes to where you have to dissamble to install it.

You want fanfair? What a glowing review.
Now if only this guy had a web site, where people could buy them, insted of having to email some guys cell phone.

I'm really glad there is company making these, in the Grand Am Community it's very hard to get stuff like this done.
Thank you phantom505 and phatG-A for helping 60v6 owners out (Speaking as a formar 60v6 owner).

[phatG-A]

after talking with Ty this weekend it seems that there will be alot more to come also.

You know what they say, "build it, and they will come".

[phantom505]

Look, the GA community is so great, there is how many people working on them??

Yeah, the guy is in start up mode/attitude. He gets custom work done. Not to mention he's had a helluva time dealing with the lack of service our wonderful communications companies offer. Now he didn't do everything right, and he is well aware of it. He is also one of the few willing to put up the cash to do it. If Alto/Raybestos would ever do what they claimed they would, we'd have our clutch packs (for example). Fighting with the other companies has been a handful and then some. Machine shops that just don't do what they agreed to are among the problems this kind of work brings. Getting small orders for small markerts is next to impossible and takes a lot of time.

Point is, he'll get it made, everyone will be taken care of, it will just take time. It's not like this guy's bread and butter comes from this. If it was; my guess is he would have moved on by now. He's not getting rich off this, trust me.

He wanted to walk away from several of these little projects, and I've helped him stay on task, partly for my own greedy reasons.

I remember when ppl were so excited by someone actaully bundling spark plug wires, or when someone would port something for us. Now you show them a new design for a production 65mm TB (which takes time, effort, money, etc) and it doesn't get hardly any attention.

I know some the projects I have had fell flat on their face (HPP anyone??), but I'm STILL working in making them viable for everyone. I'm working on an alternate shop for a computer for it, since between HPP and DHP, they can't get it right. I'm so sick of companies not wanting to work together, then leave the customers hanging, making it seem like it was thier fault somehow despite my best efforts to bring 2 halves together.

My car has been dead forever now... trying to fix design flaws, the computer's shortcomings, as well as everything else like getting TBs, so on and so forth. So I stopped posting, waiting for everything else to catch up. Well, it's finally caught up..... so in the next month I have every expectation more products should be rolling out.

[95-GT]

Hey Phantom, its good to see your still alive. I was wondering what happened to you. When do you expect to have the car finished?

[bszopi]

Its because the GA community has come down to people who have the most active topic on a weekend concerning the sucking sound that their air filter does/does not make. Yeah, I was pretty impressed with that one.

I don't know how many times I have to say this... You are trying to sell to a group of people who are pretty much fair-weather modders. They are all excited when they first get their cars, do some cheesy bolt on mods that their import freinds do, and then complain when there aren't all the other mods available that their freinds have. Then they get sick of "wasting money" on something that of course will never be fast... Then they sell their car.

Have you noticed the amount of people on here who used to be big time modders and poster and such that are pretty much non-existant? Its because you are trying to sell products to a specific platform instead of an engine. This isn't the Camaro world. I come over here and practically advertise for an engine-specific site, yet MAYBE one out of twenty people go over there. Yet we have people from all platforms (including people swapping these engines into Porsches, MGs, Miatas) wanting to mod these engines for their potential. I think I might have seen 1 post about this product possibly being available. And I sure as hell aren't going to try to sell something that I don't know the status of on a weekly basis. IIRC, 60V6.com was the reason S&S made headers for these engines. And sadly, the main people who got it going (me included) can't even use them because our bays are different. But oh well, at least we helped out the GA community as a whole. Oh, and I think the first non-stock 62mm TBs were our doing as well. Hmm.. I think I was involved in that one as well.

But hey, what do I know...

[FORTEEN3GT]

mine came directly from Franz at FDP.... before the business shut down.
it does have a plastic plug in the top.... screw holes were fine.

see the plastic plug on the top................................
here--------->



as far as your statements go........ very true......

also if more things become available people may actually keep their cars do to the possibility of future upgrades..... i mean the Grand Am and Alero are nice looking cars..... they just have engine shortcommings that can be improved.

what we really need are companies with dedication to innovation that are willing to accept small profit margins! a lot to ask for IMO.

a Cam is great...... who can install it? Turbo is wonderful......who can tune it?
Supercharger is awesome........why is the price sooooo high?


EDIT* when is Phantom getting his beast to a track?? The first time a GAGT runs low 13's the more we have to talk about in regards to the potential of the 3400!

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by phantom505

Look, the GA community is so great, there is how many people working on them??

Yeah, the guy is in start up mode/attitude. He gets custom work done. Not to mention he's had a helluva time dealing with the lack of service our wonderful communications companies offer. Now he didn't do everything right, and he is well aware of it. He is also one of the few willing to put up the cash to do it. If Alto/Raybestos would ever do what they claimed they would, we'd have our clutch packs (for example)....

Where have you been for the last three months? We have our clutch packs. Raybestos made them, they are available, and several of us have them already.


I just don't like dealing with companies that offer stuff for sale but when they can't deliver. If he's having problems he should put the website on hold until he can get things straightened out. Otherwise people are going to get upset and who can blame them. When you pay for a product you expect good service, not empty promises and excuses. IE the LSD... I ordered mine direct from EP and got it already while those who ordered it thru DP are still waiting.

[phatG-A]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

Where have you been for the last three months? We have our clutch packs. Raybestos made them, they are available, and several of us have them already.


I just don't like dealing with companies that offer stuff for sale but when they can't deliver. If he's having problems he should put the website on hold until he can get things straightened out. Otherwise people are going to get upset and who can blame them. When you pay for a product you expect good service, not empty promises and excuses. IE the LSD... I ordered mine direct from EP and got it already while those who ordered it thru DP are still waiting.

well the only problem with that is that he can't get on the web yet or else he would put a notice on his site. he just moved out in the boonies and he's having to have the phone company install a line to his house. meaning he actually had to dig a 500 ft trench so they can install it.

[AaronGTR]

He can always go use a computer somewhere else. Thats no excuse. If you are running a company selling products to the public and dealing with other peoples money, you have responsibilities.

[Sprucegagt]

Originally Posted by phatG-A

well the only problem with that is that he can't get on the web yet or else he would put a notice on his site. he just moved out in the boonies and he's having to have the phone company install a line to his house. meaning he actually had to dig a 500 ft trench so they can install it.

Okay considering I am sure he had to of known he was going to move. Why wasn't it put up on the website before the move date? Also who moves into a home without having the utilities and phone connected before the move in?

This kind of crap really puts me off in wanting anything he sells. I have been waiting a long time for this just to hear only 5 are available, for $350 a piece. Plus, always being a BS response we wanting a status update. I understand you have supplier problems, its a given in business. But not letting anyone know what is going on really harms your customer service. Looks like RSM is going to get my money.

[phatG-A]

now only if other companys would live up to that also. trust me it's like that with chrysler (who i work for) also. so it's not just small companies. besides like phantom said he is getting stuff done and he's not over charing like other companies also. sure we can all complain about how long it's taking but take into consideration how long it takes other larger companies to get stuff done and it's the main stay. how long has it taken to get a cam made for our cars?

[Sprucegagt]

Originally Posted by phatG-A

now only if other companys would live up to that also. trust me it's like that with chrysler (who i work for) also. so it's not just small companies. besides like phantom said he is getting stuff done and he's not over charing like other companies also. sure we can all complain about how long it's taking but take into consideration how long it takes other larger companies to get stuff done and it's the main stay. how long has it taken to get a cam made for our cars?

That's just it, he is not a large company. Small companies work with small orders so that product can be made quickly. That is not happening here, yet we have been told for months it will be here any day.

[phatG-A]

i still don't see how you say it can be made quickly when he's having it from scratch. it's like two steps forward one step back when trying to make sure everything works right. and him having to work with more than one shop getting everything going right is kind of hard.

[tejohnson]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

He can always go use a computer somewhere else. Thats no excuse. If you are running a company selling products to the public and dealing with other peoples money, you have responsibilities.

I couldn't agree more. It only would take 15 minutes at an internet cafe or a library. For example, when I'm on the road, I can connect my Cell (Via bluetooth) and get on Sprint's Vision network via my laptop @ 56k (minimum). Then of course, keep in mind I am a computer geek.

I still find it hard to understand why it took 3 months for funds to be transferred to Jeff at EP. I believe I orderd the Limited slip about one day before Aaron, and I am Still waiting. Delays with EP are understandable, not with DP.

Finally, I believe Ty offered me one of these throttle bodies ("Free of charge of course"), but during our call, I turned it down and asked him to accurately refelct the products his web site. For example:

-Core Charge (Not collected by DP) - Ty is only hurting himself on this one. I am giving a core to Jeff once I receive the Limited Slip to be nice, and because I know they are not free. Yet there is no mention of this on DP's web site.

-Race/Street Version - Yes, there are two different versions, and there is no option to select which one and dealing with the price adjustment.

IMHO, the DP store front reflects very badly against EP since it is hard to tell at this point whom has processed orders through Ty's web site.

I know of customers whom have been waiting over a year for their parts. I believe the reasoning for abandoning that community was to concentrate more on the N-Body platform.

If I were Ty, and he placed his order for the line when he moved, it has been well over a month. I have no knowledge of the Tarriff in CA, but I would have had the Public Service Commission involved by now.

This post is in no way emotional, or in the form of venting from anger. I'm simply attempting to convey my experience.

[phatG-A]

[quote=tejohnson]I still find it hard to understand why it took 3 months for funds to be transferred to Jeff at EP. I believe I orderd the Limited slip about one day before Aaron, and I am Still waiting. Delays with EP are understandable, not with DP.[QUOTE

you might want to ask Jeff the whole story on that one. and far as getting stuff done in fresno, if it takes a month in most places it will take about 3 to 4 there. trust me i understand what it's like not to get parts after you've sent the money. it took almost 7 months to get a c.a.i. from a member of this forum and i had to lie to him to get it when i did. Ty know that this is going to smoothly. but he is trying to fix every chance he gets. thats why he had me post his cell number and also away to email him.

[tejohnson]

- I have spoken to Jeff, many times In fact, that was the only way I eventually got through to TY, because TY never responded to any of my messages (with the exception of a PM mentioned below).

-I gave Ty 5 methods of contact. Cell, Home, Work, E-Mail, Work E-Mail. I received one PM on this forum over a week after sending him one. Then it got worse. Over 20 phone calls to him (I'd be happy to post the phone records). I left a few voice mail messages. The bulk of calls occured after Aaron received his Limited Slip and Jeff was waiting on the payment from TY. I spoke to Jeff many times throughout this time.

-Jeff has had a few unfortunate events, however, he has always maintained an excellent level of customer service. Frankly, I'm surprised he is still making the Limited slip due the the issues he has to put up with.

Again, my issue with Ty has been communication. If you don't want to believe me, and my experience is some fluke, see:

http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...e94497e948e0b0

Yeah, folks over there have been waiting over a year for a simple gauge pod. If I accepted the funds for these items, and my reputation were on the line, I'd be fabbing them outta fiberglass...

Before I would even consider doing business with Ty again, I would ensure he had fully cleared out his outstanding deliverables and improoved his communication skills.

[SpyhunteR]

65mm t/b eh? I think this would be nice on a lil boosted *all-motor jr* car with an adaptor plate...... heh...

[speedyguy]

Todd you have it all wrong.

I had ordered other limited slips...Yes I sent the funds..Ep is not a bad shop but it did take a long time. The point is I didn’t send the funds because other ordered units had not been completed or sent due to timelines and there was no way i was going to risk your funds. So once we talked I offered Todd his money back because of the lack of speed of product arrival. I could do this due to the fact I still had it. So once given the choice Todd told me yes send the funds to EP anyway. As for the core I was trying to help EP who has worked so hard to produce the best limited slip for the 4t65-45 transaxles.

I also offered Todd a billet throttle body unit because he had to wait. Yes even though it was not really my issue.

I have tried to bring together many of the other shops that provide other units and alas it always ends up in a mess. I tried.

Todd I did nothing wrong and actually went out of my way to protect your funds.

My computer problems are "lame" at best and have alot more to do with my merging with bulletproof transmissions and acquiring other connections willing to build and grow specifically with our shop needs. SO not only did I move my personal residence but our format and server all underwent and continue to undergo changes.