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ok finally figured out...the 2004 gto with mike will never work. its not like its even a peave that applies to ther gm vehicles it seems. just the gto. so chrysler, dodge, ford, chevy...doesnt matter. its just is the gto that sets him off. anyway, onward. mike, sadly i hope you know the lead designer (90% sure) for the aztec was the lead designer (again 90% sure) for the C6...i know its the same guy, just not exactly the role. brilliant people like that are allowed mistakes. but it seems gm is getting better. i read 2 articles today on gmi that stated how bob lutz and the solstice team are against badge engineering. ie rebading a saab as a caddy for europe market.

[peeps]

where is that beating dead horse smiley? I think it is safe to say that you guys agree to disagree and we move on....

I think Bob said it best....

Originally Posted by AMRAAM4

Just got to work this morning and am reading this thread....



....I will now proceed to pour my scalding hot coffee into my crotch.

here you go peeps

no it goes "hi a dead horse called and said he'd like you to stop beating him."

[peeps]

here you go peeps

Thanks Seth!

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by rodd62

ok finally figured out...the 2004 gto with mike will never work. its not like its even a peave that applies to ther gm vehicles it seems. just the gto. so chrysler, dodge, ford, chevy...doesnt matter. its just is the gto that sets him off.

No... you missed it... that's OK.

Originally Posted by rodd62

Mike, sadly i hope you know the lead designer (90% sure) for the aztec was the lead designer (again 90% sure) for the C6...i know its the same guy, just not exactly the role. brilliant people like that are allowed mistakes.

it was a team, and they were split up... so... wonrg... check again.

Originally Posted by rodd62

but it seems gm is getting better. i read 2 articles today on gmi that stated how bob lutz and the solstice team are against badge engineering.

Yep... they are, as I said G6 is a step in the correct direction.

Originally Posted by rodd62

ie rebading a saab as a caddy for europe market.

That's not bad at all... badging a Trailblaizer or a Subaru with the name Saab is much much worse don't you think?

Badging a Saab with an American label wouldn't be so bad.... unless it's the name of an old but revoultionary musclecar like the....

well i do know that one of the exterior designers was on both teams, i just wasnt sure if it was the one in charge of both projects.

[Panacea]

Originally Posted by Mike3800

And was mostly dominat performance wise for it's time... kinda like it is now?
Weird huh?

You mean to tell me that the 1953 Six Cylinder Powerglide Automatic Transmission corvette (first year ever built) was the dominant performance wise of it's time? I don't know, but 150hp doesn't seem like it'd move that 2900 lb car very fast?!?

[jake3217]

^^

Back in the early '50's that thing was a rocket.

[Panacea]

Was it faster than it's foreign competition?

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by Panacea

You mean to tell me that the 1953 Six Cylinder Powerglide Automatic Transmission corvette (first year ever built) was the dominant performance wise of it's time? I don't know, but 150hp doesn't seem like it'd move that 2900 lb car very fast?!?

Faster than a 99-03 3100lb GA with a 140-155HP 4cyl....

Name some other 50's cars and their specs....

Like I said... for it's time.

[Panacea]

Never mind mike, you totally missed the point. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

Oh, and btw it was not faster than a 99+ GA.... A 56 (which had a V8 w/210hp, and weighed about 300 lbs less only did the 1/4 in 15.8 seconds. THerefore you don't know what you're talking about.)

Proof? http://100megsfree4.com/corvette/1950/vet56.htm

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by Panacea

Never mind mike, you totally missed the point. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

Oh, and btw it was not faster than a 99+ GA.... A 56 (which had a V8 w/210hp, and weighed about 300 lbs less only did the 1/4 in 15.8 seconds. THerefore you don't know what you're talking about.)

Proof? http://100megsfree4.com/corvette/1950/vet56.htm

I said a 99+ 4cyl Grand Am. You can't read can you? You've been corrected 2 times by 2 different people. You are the one that talks without knowing anything.

[Panacea]

Who was the first to contradict me?

If you're talking about jake, not really, cause it was slow. It was slower than all the other European cars that the vette was supposed to be competing with. The reason the vette was created was to compete with the euro cars. WHy? Cause the GI"s were bringing them back with them after WWII and America had to top them.

You are right, I did misread what you wrote. But then again you could very well be wrong as well. Prove the 1/4 time for it. I've yet to see anything on it. Also, it would not be a fair comparison considering the V6 was producing 223 lbs of torque.

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by Panacea

You are right, I did misread what you wrote. But then again you could very well be wrong as well. Prove the 1/4 time for it. I've yet to see anything on it. Also, it would not be a fair comparison considering the V6 was producing 223 lbs of torque.

I don't care, and I don't feel the need to prove anything either... believe what you want. Look it up yourself and prove me wrong.. or right. I'm not here to argue.

If you were someone else this wouldn't be sufficient to end it, you come up with some personal attack and try to argue more.

Point is that the Corvette is still what it always was, the great American Sports Car.

The GTO now is a joke and gets put in it's place by a frickin Mustang and can only slightly better the performance of a $21,000 Neon SRT4... it also isn't selling well and despite heavy spending for advertising etc... it isnt gaining much attention or respect.

I like GM but hate the new so called "GTO" end of story. They goofed again, I know I am not the only one who thinks so, the lack of sales prove that I'm not the only one that has this opinon that they are more than entitled to.

Let's see how the Charger sells/performs or does not sell/perform and have this discussion.

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Originally Posted by Mike3800

Faster than a 99-03 3100lb GA with a 140-155HP 4cyl....

Name some other 50's cars and their specs....

Like I said... for it's time.

Chrysler 300C had much more power but was heavy and like many cars of the time had a bad suspension/drivetrain setup. 300 hp was the base model, and I think they ranged up to almost 400 hp by the end of their production run.

[fo44rd]

Can anyone confirm if they will or won't make a 2 door whatever (coupe/sedan). I don't like 4 door anything.

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by fo44rd

Can anyone confirm if they will or won't make a 2 door whatever (coupe/sedan). I don't like 4 door anything.

Have to wait and see... Haven't heard any other news, just the concepts with 2 and 4 doors.

My guess is that they will make both.

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by Mike3800

Have to wait and see... Haven't heard any other news, just the concepts with 2 and 4 doors.

My guess is that they will make both.

I hope you are right.....

[Vintalage]

Dodge unveils sketch of new Charger, car to bow at '05 Detroit show

Dodge has confirmed with this first sketch that it aims to again recreate some of the company's early muscle-car magic conjured by the Charger name.

The 2006 Charger, a stout and roubust four-door that carries a rakish roof line and the large, egg-crate face of the company's performance car and truck division, also replaces Dodge's Intrepid NASCAR entry. It looks "almost like a four-door coupe" said Dr. Dieter Zetsche in an exclusive interview on Friday.

The Charger will debut at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit in January 2005, and is expected to enter showrooms in the spring of 2005. True to its power image, it will carry with it the much-vaunted, 340-hp Hemi engine under the hood as an option. Its base engine is expected to be a 3.5-liter V6 making 250 horsepower. More...

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