Pontiac GTO News: GTO will return after all redesigned for 2008

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by 30th Anv GAGT

As far as A "Fancy one" and a "Base One"... Forget about it... Why would I want my resale value to hit the floor like the GA does because every yuppy can get one in an SE version... Same with the Mustang... v-6 or v-8....

No you have it all wrong. ALL WRONG! Resale value in crushed when you have a poor product. A second way to help resale value down that slippery slope is what all of the BIG 3 do: overprice the cars on the sticker and then incentive them to death.

WHY DOES A "YUPPIE" WANT A PONTIAC GRAND AM SE????
AREN'T "YUPPIES" INTO THE GERMAN STUFF?????
NOTE: "YUPPIE" IS A SUBJECTIVE TERM CREATED BY 30thAnvGAGT AND I AM JUST ROLLING WITH THE PUNCHES HERE.

[AMRAAM4]

Originally Posted by fo44rd

What dealer are you getting your pricing from in 1997??????????

Outside of corporate greed, the biggest reason the f-bodies failed was a lack of investment back into the product and a continually bloating sticker price. The 2002's were pushing $35,000.00, hence thier demise. The GTO "HALO" car is headed down that same path.

errr, no, the F-bod died because it was uncomfortable and useless as a daily driver, unlike the Mustang (which was kicking its arse in sales). Then throw the price differences on top of that. When a V6 F-bod was the same price as the competing V8 car...your doomed. How GM didn't notice this is beyond me.

[sc02grandam]

Originally Posted by 30th Anv GAGT

10k Less? Better go back and check the stickers on them....
GT2 runs around 25k.... GTP Comp G runs about 28-29k
Bonneville runs about 36k..... Hell, the SC/T's and 30th Anv GA's were 24-25k...
A 1997 WS6 T/A ran close to 35k fully optioned out......
So your bitching about 33k on something that blows all those mentioned above outta the water? Get real !
I got my GTO for 23k... "Less" than I paid for my 30th Anv... Do I feel I made a bad mistake? Yes....!!! With the 30th that is...!
As far as A "Fancy one" and a "Base One"... Forget about it... Why would I want my resale value to hit the floor like the GA does because every yuppy can get one in an SE version... Same with the Mustang... v-6 or v-8....
At least when someone sees my car, they know what I got, no questions asked... I like it that way.... The GTO is a "Halo" car, not to be confused with a MASS production car like the GA's and GP's.... The GTO is the NEW POWER of Pontiac... You dont have to like it, but lets be honest here, I have an 03 GA in the garage, I have an 04 GTO in the garage, when it comes time to go anywhere, which one do you think I get in?..... Thats right !

how the hell did you get a gto for 23k?

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by 30th Anv GAGT

At least when someone sees my car, they know what I got, no questions asked... I like it that way.... The GTO is a "Halo" car, not to be confused with a MASS production car like the GA's and GP's.... The GTO is the NEW POWER of Pontiac... You dont have to like it, but lets be honest here, I have an 03 GA in the garage, I have an 04 GTO in the garage, when it comes time to go anywhere, which one do you think I get in?..... Thats right !

Why don't you do the research on the history of the GTO! What kind of car was it back in the day? What was the reason for its ultimate demise? I will answer this for you: the GTO was originally created as a small car with a big engine....AT A RELATIVELY CHEAP PRICE. It was produced in as many numbers as the peole wanted. It had options, not a one size fits all car like todays. It had style, unlike todays. The reason it died: It became a bland, limited options, one size fits all car that looked like everything else on the road. Also its sticker kept creeping up (living on past glory) when its performance was going down.

The fact that you use the terminology "HALO CAR" means you don't get it. Maybe I am an "old school" thinker on cars. You definitely represent the "new school" of thought that GM hopes to pawn off on the general public. W.T.F. a G.T.O. is a "HALO CAR"!!!!! It is suppose to be an affordable fast car for the people, not "HALO CAR". What the hell is a halo car and what idiot came up with this term?

What are you talking about: "At least when somebody sees my car, they know what I got, no questions asked"? Every non-"carguy" type of person I know thinks the car is a "grand am" or gasp a "cavalier" not some hot car in the likes of a Mustang or Corvette.

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by AMRAAM4

errr, no, the F-bod died because it was uncomfortable and useless as a daily driver, unlike the Mustang (which was kicking its arse in sales). Then throw the price differences on top of that. When a V6 F-bod was the same price as the competing V8 car...your doomed. How GM didn't notice this is beyond me.

ANSWER: corporate greed. The conspiracey theorist in me still believed GM wanted the F-bodies to fail.

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by sc02grandam

how the hell did you get a gto for 23k?

In the used market they are that cheap already. About 5 or 6 dealers in my area have used examples with less the 8k on them and are willing to sell at that price.

[30th Anv GAGT]

Originally Posted by fo44rd

Yes each of these have at least $5,000 of incentives, trick financing, or some sort of give away priced into that "sticker price" to be discounted later.

Ummm,, yeah, whats the discount got to do with it? they all have discounts.. Depends on which you can qualify for....

[AMRAAM4]

someone please put fo44rd out of his misery

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by 30th Anv GAGT

Ummm,, yeah, whats the discount got to do with it? they all have discounts.. Depends on which you can qualify for....

1.) They kill resale value.

2.) They bloat he sticker price, pre-incentives to give an artificial "value" or "price" to the car.

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by AMRAAM4

someone please put fo44rd out of his misery

There is no misery here, only the joy of enlightenment.

The only misery I see in this room are those who paid sticker price for their Impulse Blue/Blue interior 6speed GTO. He will be crying come trade-in/selling time.

[AMRAAM4]

Originally Posted by fo44rd

There is no misery here, only the joy of enlightenment.

The only misery I see in this room are those who paid sticker price for their Impulse Blue/Blue interior 6speed GTO. He will be crying come trade-in/selling time.

will you please shut up...you sound like a raving idiot.

And if you think I paid sticker then you don't pay much attention around here. My father works for GM, plus I was able to use the rebates and financing.

[30th Anv GAGT]

The CURRENT platform for the GTO is considered a HALO car, not a MASS Produced car.... GM came up with it, ask them... I am about as old school as you can get, and was ****ing in Post Toasties when they were around, so I am not as stupid as you seem to see me as.... I know the history, I know the numbers, I dont have to validate to you anything... You keep trying to dig yourself out with these wild placement of words, but they mean nothing to the facts.....

You are spouting rubbish to substantiate your views with no proof to back it....

Insurance is affected by the demographic group of people who buy them, replacement costs, and many other factors to suck your money..... Ask your agent.... Be informed...

You validated my statement about the price of the 1997 WS6, so I wont go there.... Re-Read your post you answered it yourself.... I thought I had put here in the Mid-West in that statement, but didnt, so that answers your question on that.

They are dropping because the DEALERS shot themselves in the foot... They no have to move the 04's to get their 05 allowances.... GM didnt adjust the prices, the DEALERS did... Hopefully they learned their lesson on markup and how it affects moving inventory.....

The "know what I got statement" was in reference to the V/8 version and downgraded models with a v/6... Hence, you look at a Mustang, do you really know that it is the v/8 or the v/6 sitting there without the engine running?...
Do I want to see my GTO get the lame image a v/6 Stang has? Nope, No way, Nadda...!
Come on, get a clue yourself....

I have to give you kudos for being very good at twisting things to fit in your favor, maybe you should become a lawyer.... But in court today, you lost...

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by 30th Anv GAGT

The CURRENT platform for the GTO is considered a HALO car, not a MASS Produced car.... GM came up with it, ask them... I am about as old school as you can get, and was ****ing in Post Toasties when they were around, so I am not as stupid as you seem to see me as.... I know the history, I know the numbers, I dont have to validate to you anything... You keep trying to dig yourself out with these wild placement of words, but they mean nothing to the facts.....
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All that proves is you don't get it, just like GM doesn't. The D.O.A. sales of the "HALO CAR" speak for themsleves.

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by 30th Anv GAGT

You validated my statement about the price of the 1997 WS6, so I wont go there.... Re-Read your post you answered it yourself.... I thought I had put here in the Mid-West in that statement, but didnt, so that answers your question on that.

What? What are talking about?

There was no $35,000 T/A back in 1997!

There was one by 2002, not 1997. 5 years! It is a long time. The cronic price raising and non-reinvestment in the product contributed to its demise.

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by 30th Anv GAGT

They are dropping because the DEALERS shot themselves in the foot... They no have to move the 04's to get their 05 allowances.... GM didnt adjust the prices, the DEALERS did... Hopefully they learned their lesson on markup and how it affects moving inventory.....

So the fact that there is $3,500 cash back on all remaining GTOs the last time I checked, that is the dealers dropping the price?

I am pretty sure CASH BACK is from the manufacturer, which would mean the manufacturer is "adjusting the price", not the dealer.

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by 30th Anv GAGT

The "know what I got statement" was in reference to the V/8 version and downgraded models with a v/6... Hence, you look at a Mustang, do you really know that it is the v/8 or the v/6 sitting there without the engine running?...
Do I want to see my GTO get the lame image a v/6 Stang has? Nope, No way, Nadda...!
Come on, get a clue yourself....

Were in any of my writing did I mention offering a V6 GTO??????? I didn't! I offered the opinion that the equipment should be determined by the buyer and the price should be affected accordingly. I never once mentioned a lesser engine choice!
THAT IS YOU, NOT ME TWISTING THE FACTS TO FIT YOUR OPINION!!!!!

[30th Anv GAGT]

Well maybe all of us GM owners, and GM Executives should have hired you to engineer, market, build, ship, design and set the price instead. Damn, we coulda had a hit on our hands under your leadership and "Clue-a-Bility", since you seem to be the only one in the world to "get it". We could have had a production year of 100k +, and a model for the common homeless drunk, instead of 13k. (Which by the way is a clue to the term "Halo"). Even though the plant they are built in was running at capacity to build these, and shared the same line as the Monaro. Just to tool the factory is expensive, and nets you about 5k before having to re-bit... How could we all be so clueless....? I bow my head in shame....

You obviously have a problem with GM in general, fine, walk away, buy a Ford, Honda, Mitzsu, Nissan and the numerous other brands that "get it" for you.....

As for the rest of us, we like our GM's... People have stated facts, you have darted around those facts and never proved a thing in the whole process except that you seem to think you know what "Halo" means while the rest of us sit in a dark corner with our eyes closed.... My attempts to rationalize with you are done, as it is purely done on deaf ears....
If your bantering makes you feel good about yourself, then fine, whatever makes you feel better.

[30th Anv GAGT]

Originally Posted by fo44rd

What? What are talking about?

There was no $35,000 T/A back in 1997!

There was one by 2002, not 1997. 5 years! It is a long time. The cronic price raising and non-reinvestment in the product contributed to its demise.

BS... BS.. BS... 1997, LT1, WS6.... "Fully Optioned" around 35k......

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by 30th Anv GAGT

I have to give you kudos for being very good at twisting things to fit in your favor, maybe you should become a lawyer.... But in court today, you lost...

Once again, it is you who did the twisting.

Secondly, I would never be lawyer.

Finally, I WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the debate, however we are all losers due to corporate greed. Here FOD will give you guys one: The THUNDERBIRD! It use to be a cool car. It was cheap, relatively fast for its time and its price point. Then in 1997 the kill it. It was nice how they hardly put a penny back in it from its redo from 1989! Ford wanted that car killed, only to bring it back 5 years later at twice the price. It is a flop and I am glad it bit them in the a*s!

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by 30th Anv GAGT

BS... BS.. BS... 1997, LT1, WS6.... "Fully Optioned" around 35k......

In stead of ranted and raving and "twisting the facts" about it.......................................... PROVE IT!!!!!!!!