3x00 cams - Page 33

Schweppe23 · 07-17-2005, 06:48 AM

until recently the only thing that was offered were regrinds. the only place to currently get off the shelf camshafts is through milzy motorsports/cammotion.

kyle any capable shop can change one, and believe it or not they probably already have instructions.

this isn't anything new, ppl been swapping cams forever, just because its a 3400 instead of a SBC doesn't mean anything.

bszopi · 07-17-2005, 07:08 AM

Because they are flat-tappet cams, not roller cams.

AaronGTR · 07-17-2005, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle

I hope a shop can do it because I know that it don't come with instructions so I don't know if they would do it or not.

What would they need any special instructions for? All they are doing is replacing one cam with another. Other than the amount of work involved to get it out, it's really no big deal. Basic engine work... only thing you'd need is a manual with the torque specs and stuff. Any place that does engine work can do this.

tejohnson · 07-17-2005, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Schweppe23

No prob, almost any shop can do this, but it takes the amish ones a little longer

I don't know... I was up in amish country yesterday. Some carry Cell phones now. You may be surprised

Kyle · 07-17-2005, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronGTR

What would they need any special instructions for? All they are doing is replacing one cam with another. Other than the amount of work involved to get it out, it's really no big deal. Basic engine work... only thing you'd need is a manual with the torque specs and stuff. Any place that does engine work can do this.

Yeh I guess you are right. I know that the engine has to come out for it to be installed. Do you have any idea what is involved in doing that.

Malaclypse · 07-17-2005, 02:20 PM

Quite a bit.

FORTEEN3GT · 07-17-2005, 03:45 PM

by the way... how many hours of labor should you expect to pay for??? most shops charge between 50 to 80 per hour. FYI

bszopi · 07-17-2005, 04:21 PM

According to AllData, a 3x00 cam replacement is set for 13.6 hrs, so at $50/hr look at $780.

Kyle · 07-17-2005, 05:33 PM

Am I gonna need any kind of special tuning for a stage one cam?

Kyle · 07-18-2005, 04:46 AM

Also do I have to get that special cam sensor for a 2000?

tejohnson · 07-18-2005, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle

Am I gonna need any kind of special tuning for a stage one cam?

It wouldn't hurt to get some form of flash programmer to modify your PCM. At the least you may want to end up disabling the code P0300 so you wont get the SES for random misfires.

Kyle · 07-18-2005, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tejohnson

It wouldn't hurt to get some form of flash programmer to modify your PCM. At the least you may want to end up disabling the code P0300 so you wont get the SES for random misfires.

Yea I got a DHP pcm now but I will probually have to get that code dissabled. Do I need that special cam sensor for a 2000?

MilzyZ34 · 07-18-2005, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle

I hope a shop can do it because I know that it don't come with instructions so I don't know if they would do it or not.

any professional shop should be able to handle the job.

MilzyZ34 · 07-18-2005, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle

Yea I got a DHP pcm now but I will probually have to get that code dissabled. Do I need that special cam sensor for a 2000?

you'll need the standard 2000-2002 3400 cam sensor.

oh and by the way guys, judging by the last 99 GA we did, and 2 96-99 monte carlos, i would say most of you will not need the cam sensor adapter harness that Casper's is making for us. all you'll need is the sensor

Kyle · 07-18-2005, 08:31 AM

Ok so does that mean I would have to get a new cam sensor if I put a stage one cam in? I can't use the one that is in there already?

MilzyZ34 · 07-18-2005, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle

Ok so does that mean I would have to get a new cam sensor if I put a stage one cam in? I can't use the one that is in there already?

you have a 2000. you're good to go (as long as you don't damage the stock one taking it out.)

AaronGTR · 07-18-2005, 03:18 PM

You might not need to dissable that code either if you get a stage 1. If it runs smooth enough at idle there will be no problem. Thats why I recommend stage 1 to most people. If you don't really know what you're doing as far as tuning's concerned, then it's much cheaper and easier than doing a higher lift and duration cam (ie stage 2).

Kyle · 07-18-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronGTR

You might not need to dissable that code either if you get a stage 1. If it runs smooth enough at idle there will be no problem. Thats why I recommend stage 1 to most people. If you don't really know what you're doing as far as tuning's concerned, then it's much cheaper and easier than doing a higher lift and duration cam (ie stage 2).

Yea but with a stage one it will not ideal anything like stock right?

MilzyZ34 · 07-19-2005, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle

Yea but with a stage one it will not ideal anything like stock right?

it will stumble like a cam should, but it won't stall out like a stage 2 cammed car with stock pcm will from time to time.

FORTEEN3GT · 07-19-2005, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MilzyZ34

it will stumble like a cam should, but it won't stall out like a stage 2 cammed car with stock pcm will from time to time.

how streetable is the stage 2?? any issues with the engine running hot while idling?

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07-17-2005, 07:08 AM	#642
bszopi User account under probation AKA: Brad Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rogers, AR Age: 46 Posts: 1,391 Vehicle: 1989 Ford Mustang	Because they are flat-tappet cams, not roller cams.

07-17-2005, 02:20 PM	#646
Malaclypse Wrenched Loose AKA: Scott Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,209 Vehicle: 2013 Malibu 2LT	Quite a bit.

07-17-2005, 04:21 PM	#648
bszopi User account under probation AKA: Brad Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rogers, AR Age: 46 Posts: 1,391 Vehicle: 1989 Ford Mustang	According to AllData, a 3x00 cam replacement is set for 13.6 hrs, so at $50/hr look at $780.

07-17-2005, 05:33 PM	#649
Kyle GAGT - Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 35 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT	Am I gonna need any kind of special tuning for a stage one cam?

07-18-2005, 04:46 AM	#650
Kyle GAGT - Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 35 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT	Also do I have to get that special cam sensor for a 2000?

07-18-2005, 08:31 AM	#655
Kyle GAGT - Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 35 Posts: 337 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT	Ok so does that mean I would have to get a new cam sensor if I put a stage one cam in? I can't use the one that is in there already?