3x00 cams

[grandam01]

Originally Posted by bszopi

Well, I guess he doesn't know it either, cause its not listed on the link he gave:

http://3400swap.com/wbody3.html

Either way, Eric gained 30hp with a cam and heads. The cam will compliment the heads. The heads will add more hp to the cam than just the cam alone. And, Eric's is a stage 2. Therefore, from what you are trying to say is, a Stage 1 cam with stock heads gains the same amount of hp as a Stage 2 cam with modified heads. Hmm... so why would anyone want a Stage 2 cam then? Obviously, by what you are saying, is that a stage 1 gets the same amount of power but without the extra cost of the heads.

That is really funny that you would try to think that, and actually the cam will compliment everything and everything will compliment the cam, cause what is the cam called, ohh yeah the "Brain" of the car, it tells the heads how far to open the valves and for how long, hmmmmm soo if you had a stage 2 cam with stage 2 heads how would that even compare with a stage 1 cam, not at all man, the stage 2 cam has more lift and duration than the stage 1 and teh stage 2 heads have stiffer valve springs and more aggressive porting, so on and so forth read it yourself.

Soo teh stage 1 cam will do a pretty decent number with the stock heads, only cause im sure GM did not design their stock cam with a sufficient lift or duration. This is just my .02, i believe the HP gains, but then again thats just me.

[bszopi]

Wow, you made my point exactly and you are trying to bash me...

soo if you had a stage 2 cam with stage 2 heads how would that even compare with a stage 1 cam, not at all man

If you actually read what was said on the last page, you'd see the point I am trying to make!

the stage 2 cam and heads package can make upwards of 50hp depending on mods. we've shown that the cam on it's own made 30hp

Straight from Milzy's mouth, the stage 2 cam on its own will make 30hp. Then, Matt is claiming the same think from his stage 1 cam:

Cam = +30

And then Milzy goes and says:

the stage 1 cam will make about 15-30hp on it's own, completely dependent on supporting mods.

So, a Stage 2 cam makes 30 dyno proven hp, yet a stage 1 cam, without any supporting mods, can make the same amount of hp. So what is so hard to understand about what I am trying to say? According to the developer of the cams, both can make 30hp without supporting mods. It's all there....

[xonelith]

Originally Posted by tejohnson

Let the ET's and Dyno graphs do the marketing That is my point.

Agreed, this theoretical stuff is too complicated for a dummy like me.

Dyno


Timeslip

I'm not sure why there is any doubt at this point. Seems pretty clear.

I'm real happy with these numbers, and plan to get them better in the cooler weather. I think the only 99+ GA's beating these numbers at the track are Turbo'd, have major weight reduction and are running DR's. I'm neither of these.

[oudidntkn0w]

Originally Posted by bszopi

Wow, you made my point exactly and you are trying to bash me...



If you actually read what was said on the last page, you'd see the point I am trying to make!



Straight from Milzy's mouth, the stage 2 cam on its own will make 30hp. Then, Matt is claiming the same think from his stage 1 cam:



And then Milzy goes and says:



So, a Stage 2 cam makes 30 dyno proven hp, yet a stage 1 cam, without any supporting mods, can make the same amount of hp. So what is so hard to understand about what I am trying to say? According to the developer of the cams, both can make 30hp without supporting mods. It's all there....

OK so maybe I got my numbers mixed up, i had all the prelim. data for all the cams before they came out and I kept getting things switched around.

So why do you care? Why do you care how much power my car has? If I want to say my car has 412hp thats my opinion, If I want to say my car has 600hp thats my opinion, If I want to say my car has 150hp thats my opinion. Are you jealous or something? Is it your life goal to prove people wrong? Did you run out of people on 60v6 to abuse? There alot of people with opinions about you, No one likes you, so just go away.

Im done, I came here to talk about the products, answer some questions, etc. But if you just going to start a flame war and downplay our products, then Ill just leave. You should be happy there is a 3x00 aftermarket growing now.

[Schweppe23]

Originally Posted by xonelith

Agreed, this theoretical stuff is too complicated for a dummy like me.

Dyno


Timeslip

I'm not sure why there is any doubt at this point. Seems pretty clear.

I'm real happy with these numbers, and plan to get them better in the cooler weather. I think the only 99+ GA's beating these numbers at the track are Turbo'd, have major weight reduction and are running DR's. I'm neither of these.

Or Supercharged like me.

Todd where do you think you are out WHP wise?

[tejohnson]

We shall see soon

[O1GAGT]

Originally Posted by oudidntkn0w

OK so maybe I got my numbers mixed up, i had all the prelim. data for all the cams before they came out and I kept getting things switched around.

So why do you care? Why do you care how much power my car has? If I want to say my car has 412hp thats my opinion, If I want to say my car has 600hp thats my opinion, If I want to say my car has 150hp thats my opinion. Are you jealous or something? Is it your life goal to prove people wrong? Did you run out of people on 60v6 to abuse? There alot of people with opinions about you, No one likes you, so just go away.

Im done, I came here to talk about the products, answer some questions, etc. But if you just going to start a flame war and downplay our products, then Ill just leave. You should be happy there is a 3x00 aftermarket growing now.

Why do people care, because when you come in a forum spouting off about this and that, and your claims are off. It for one makes you look bad, secondly it makes Milzy look bad because you have direct relation to his company, and lastly it makes the our community look bad because yes there are visitors that do come to this site and seeing bogus info makes people look down on the GA community.

[grandam01]

i wasn't tryin to bash man, if i was tryin to bash anyone, it wouldn't say anything at all, sorry if you took it like i was bashing you. i agree dyno and timeslips are teh two somewhat reliable sources for HP and TQ gains. and its not all about HP remember you want more Torque.

[xonelith]

Originally Posted by Schweppe23

Or Supercharged like me.

Todd where do you think you are out WHP wise?

Sorry..LOL . And a few supercharged.

[oudidntkn0w]

Originally Posted by O1GAGT

Why do people care, because when you come in a forum spouting off about this and that, and your claims are off. It for one makes you look bad, secondly it makes Milzy look bad because you have direct relation to his company, and lastly it makes the our community look bad because yes there are visitors that do come to this site and seeing bogus info makes people look down on the GA community.

I understand your points and I agree with them, Like I said i may have mixed my numbers up, but the main point was there are just some people i dont like in life, especially people that actually take time and energy to prove me wrong on something.

As for the real hp/tq ratings, I also agree that a dyno is the true test. Im saving right now for a dyno run with my friend after all my tuning and stuff I need to fix is done. Ill let you guys know when I get it done.

[O1GAGT]

Hey man it happens, I am really interested to see what you put down on a dyno. I bet it is alot faster than before.

[MilzyZ34]

Originally Posted by bszopi

Wow, you made my point exactly and you are trying to bash me...



If you actually read what was said on the last page, you'd see the point I am trying to make!



Straight from Milzy's mouth, the stage 2 cam on its own will make 30hp. Then, Matt is claiming the same think from his stage 1 cam:



And then Milzy goes and says:



So, a Stage 2 cam makes 30 dyno proven hp, yet a stage 1 cam, without any supporting mods, can make the same amount of hp. So what is so hard to understand about what I am trying to say? According to the developer of the cams, both can make 30hp without supporting mods. It's all there....

I think you misunderstood what i said, so i'll clarify ...

"the stage 1 cam will make about 15-30hp on it's own, completely dependent on supporting mods" = with no supporting mods, you're likely to see a 15hp gain. if you have all the supporting mods, you have a chance to hit 30hp gain from the cam.

I thought i worded this pretty clearly, but i guess not. my mistake

[smallty05]

you still have a stage 1 for sale? if so i was looking into purchasing one here in a couple weeks... let me know

[MilzyZ34]

Originally Posted by smallty05

you still have a stage 1 for sale? if so i was looking into purchasing one here in a couple weeks... let me know

right now, i'm out of stock on the stage 1. it will probably take a few weeks to get another one in.

[Kyle]

Anyone else get a stage one cam?

[eric99gt]

Kyle what more do you need to know? Just buy the cam .

[FORTEEN3GT]

what he said.. .. Hi Everybody!!

[Kyle]

I suppose its worth the money.

[xonelith]

I have a video of me at the track in July running a 14.21 on my gallery at GrandsOntario.

http://www.grandsontario.com/albums/albun10/aby.wmv

Sorry for the bad quality

[atc3434]

Pretty sick man, I like it!