Tranny Fortification... info inside - Page 8

blckgagt · 05-09-2003, 07:38 PM

here's an email i just got back from Raybestos, seems like we will have some good upgrades in the future.

Thank you for your inquiry. The project is in the infant stages, but we have given strong consideration to offering our High Performance friction material (Blue Plate Special) for your segment of the market. Of course, we (Stoney Automotive Engineering and Raybestos Powertrain) are still going to be looking for ways to improve the capacity of the 4T45E. This includes clutch pack, hydraulic, and hard part improvements. I will send an e-mail to all who have inquired, announcing the release of the friction plates.

jaketuff · 06-09-2003, 11:23 AM

A recent conversation with Chris resulted in the following : ....

Patrick,

We are going to launch a blue plate friction plate package later this
summer for the 4T40/45Es. I need to emphasize that the friction plates
alone will not make the unit indestructible. The unit is only as strong
as its weakest link. In addition, GM Racing will be getting the
4T40/45E program off the ground soon. Vehicle testing will pinpoint the
areas in need of improvement.

Chris Horbach
Product Application Engineer
Raybestos Powertrain
964 E Market St.
Crawfordsville, IN 47933
800-729-7763 x113
765-364-4577
chorbach@raybestospowertrain.com

FOLLOWUP....

I don't really have a good answer for you. I am guessing it would
likely be a hard part such as a shaft, planetary assembly, or one way
clutch.

_________________________________________________

There you have it! Hopefully, we will be able to exploit these products soon...

OUT

Blackrider · 06-09-2003, 11:56 AM

Thats Great NEWS man Just goes to show if you any someone enough to will give in

j/k

phantom505 · 06-10-2003, 07:49 PM

Glad to hear it. I'll probably need it if I am going to put that turbo to its fullest advantage. Who is going to carry these kits?

Irate · 06-11-2003, 04:53 AM

Hey pat, did you ever figure out what was failing in your old tranny?

jaketuff · 06-11-2003, 08:50 AM

3rd clutchpack...
-----------I could still spin tires in 1st and lay rubber, but 3rd sucked, killing MPG/Highway Acceleration/Overall acceleration/OD would not land quickly either...

I have that "unit" still and look to swap the clutchpacks in it with the Raybestos spec plates and install.

JOUT

Ghostrider · 06-26-2003, 05:54 PM

In the begin of this thread someone brought up Pro-Tech Performance Transmissions. Has anyone ever had any work done by these guy's. If so how would you rate your experience.

jaketuff · 07-01-2003, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ghostrider
In the begin of this thread someone brought up Pro-Tech Performance Transmissions. Has anyone ever had any work done by these guy's. If so how would you rate your experience.

Ghost, just know this... there are no performance parts for our trans - 4t45e. Any rebuild will MOST LIKELY be to OEM spec. Many a performance shop will tell you that they will do this and that, but they would have to custom fabricate all the parts for you/us.

The TC can be done, but what we need are the packs/bands/valve body. No one has done that. Speak with Pro-tech, I found them very friendly and respectful of my questions on the phone about 8 months ago. They may be the best bet right now. At the time they mentioned that an employee at the shop was building a 4t45e for his 2000 Grand Am GT. See if they can verify that, let that be their first test for honesty.

Pat

phantom505 · 07-24-2003, 01:22 AM

Here's one for you....

How long would it take to install the friction plates?

I got a quote today for about $800, seems a bit high for around here because that should be about 16 hrs of labor.

Craig99SE2 · 07-24-2003, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by phantom505
Here's one for you....

How long would it take to install the friction plates?

I got a quote today for about $800, seems a bit high for around here because that should be about 16 hrs of labor.

16 hours of labor???? WTF!?!?!?

I completely tore down and rebuilt a 700R4 in 8 hours and that included driving to the local trans shop to get the old bushing pressed out!

If all you are doing is swapping the clutch packs, it shouldn't be more than a full day's work.

aleroboy · 07-24-2003, 12:13 PM

I think that time includes the tranny removal from the car.

BIGSweed · 07-27-2003, 06:47 PM

Anything new on the development of this product? This would be my next purchase if it were to become available. Please keep on these guys about an upgrade for our 4T45E's!

phantom505 · 07-28-2003, 01:01 AM

Yeah, that from start to finnish. So is that too much?

Craig99SE2 · 07-28-2003, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by phantom505
Yeah, that from start to finnish. So is that too much?

OK ... if that includes removal and a re-install, that is more like it. I was thinking just for a rebuild ...

BIGSweed · 07-30-2003, 02:45 PM

I just got an email from Chris Horback yesterday at it reads:

Thanks for the inquiry. We are going to launch a blue plate high performance friction plate package later this summer for the 4T40/45Es. I need to emphasize that the friction plates alone will not make the unit indestructible. The unit is only as strong as its weakest link (i.e. line pressure, etc..). In addition, GM Racing will be getting the 4T40/45E program off the ground soon. Vehicle testing will pinpoint the areas in need of improvement.

Chris Horbach
Product Application Engineer
Raybestos Powertrain
964 E Market St.
Crawfordsville, IN 47933
800-729-7763 x113
765-364-4577
chorbach@raybestospowertrain.com

It looks like some progress is being made guys. Hopefully before long we'll be driving around with a stronger drive train...

PontiacGT2K · 09-06-2003, 10:03 AM

He just emailed me saying "end of year".

Schweppe23 · 09-06-2003, 11:48 AM

We need to stay on these guys to let them know that we are really interested in these parts. So if you sent them an email....send them another one and if you haven't sent them one then get your ass in gear (no pun intended) and do so. Keep the pressure on so we can get these parts developed for our poor 4t45's.

Pat Lavanty

eric99gt · 03-21-2004, 11:11 AM

what ever happened to this. did it fall through???

phantom505 · 03-21-2004, 11:42 AM

I don't know about this particular place, but Domestic Performance will have kits. Right now they sell the limited slips seperately along with complete rebuilds.

I was told that he'll have a more expanded version as soon as he can get all the pricing together.

1SickGT · 07-23-2004, 01:50 PM

i talked to sam at level ten and hes willing to do a group buy on "bulletproofing" our trannys. at this point, is anyone interested? i am interested....fully convinced-no, but interested-yes. anyone else?

06-09-2003, 11:23 AM	#142
jaketuff GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Westchester, NY Age: 43 Posts: 2,093 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Coupe	A recent conversation with Chris resulted in the following : .... Patrick, We are going to launch a blue plate friction plate package later this summer for the 4T40/45Es. I need to emphasize that the friction plates alone will not make the unit indestructible. The unit is only as strong as its weakest link. In addition, GM Racing will be getting the 4T40/45E program off the ground soon. Vehicle testing will pinpoint the areas in need of improvement. Chris Horbach Product Application Engineer Raybestos Powertrain 964 E Market St. Crawfordsville, IN 47933 800-729-7763 x113 765-364-4577 chorbach@raybestospowertrain.com FOLLOWUP.... I don't really have a good answer for you. I am guessing it would likely be a hard part such as a shaft, planetary assembly, or one way clutch. _________________________________________________ There you have it! Hopefully, we will be able to exploit these products soon... OUT __________________ 2000 Pontiac Grand Am GT Coupe Magnacharger SC February 2003 N-body of the Month 14.34 @ 93.38MPH Eaton SC, No ported heads, No Juice! -RETIRED March 2010 w/165k- 2013 Mercedes ML350 !ACHTUNG! Es ist Shtock 2005 Infiniti G35 Coupe : CAI, Manifold Spacer 2004 Pontiac GTO : Mild Mods, and Tuned ... 13.1 @ 107.5 PB 1992 Mustang LX : TT, 351, IC, Alky, Gears - 400HP/500lbs-ft ... MONSTER 1991 Mustang GT : GT40 H/I, Bullitt Wheels, New Paint Last edited by jaketuff; 06-09-2003 at 11:27 AM.

06-09-2003, 11:56 AM	#143
Blackrider Ifeast Upon The Weak AKA: Jordie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Victoria B.C. Age: 36 Posts: 3,048 Vehicle: 06 GTP 6Speed	Thats Great NEWS man Just goes to show if you any someone enough to will give in j/k __________________ 60DegreeGTP

06-10-2003, 07:49 PM	#144
phantom505 GAGTurbo Owner Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Heltonville, IN Age: 41 Posts: 1,576 Vehicle: '02 GAGT	Glad to hear it. I'll probably need it if I am going to put that turbo to its fullest advantage. Who is going to carry these kits? __________________ It's ugly, and turbocharged! 264 HP and 284 ft/lbs at the wheels(@9psi), power curve like none other! And the transaxle to make it all work!

06-11-2003, 04:53 AM	#145
Irate Irasshaimase AKA: Rob Join Date: Aug 1976 Location: Albany vs. Oneonta vs. Philly Posts: 17,481 Vehicle: its "vehico"	Hey pat, did you ever figure out what was failing in your old tranny? __________________ R6 \| STi \| GC Jeep

06-26-2003, 05:54 PM	#147
Ghostrider Movie Buff Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vermilion, Ohio Age: 49 Posts: 88 Vehicle: 2003 Grand Am SC/T	In the begin of this thread someone brought up Pro-Tech Performance Transmissions. Has anyone ever had any work done by these guy's. If so how would you rate your experience. __________________ -Jim Pontiac *Grand Am SC/T* *"Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional"* My CarDomain

05-09-2003, 07:38 PM	#141
blckgagt ~Turbocharged~ AKA: Randy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Knoxville, TN Age: 37 Posts: 1,265 Vehicle: 99 GAGT, 07 Vette	here's an email i just got back from Raybestos, seems like we will have some good upgrades in the future. Thank you for your inquiry. The project is in the infant stages, but we have given strong consideration to offering our High Performance friction material (Blue Plate Special) for your segment of the market. Of course, we (Stoney Automotive Engineering and Raybestos Powertrain) are still going to be looking for ways to improve the capacity of the 4T45E. This includes clutch pack, hydraulic, and hard part improvements. I will send an e-mail to all who have inquired, announcing the release of the friction plates.

06-11-2003, 08:50 AM	#146
jaketuff GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Westchester, NY Age: 43 Posts: 2,093 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Coupe	3rd clutchpack... -----------I could still spin tires in 1st and lay rubber, but 3rd sucked, killing MPG/Highway Acceleration/Overall acceleration/OD would not land quickly either... I have that "unit" still and look to swap the clutchpacks in it with the Raybestos spec plates and install. JOUT

07-24-2003, 01:22 AM	#149
phantom505 GAGTurbo Owner Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Heltonville, IN Age: 41 Posts: 1,576 Vehicle: '02 GAGT	Here's one for you.... How long would it take to install the friction plates? I got a quote today for about $800, seems a bit high for around here because that should be about 16 hrs of labor. __________________ It's ugly, and turbocharged! 264 HP and 284 ft/lbs at the wheels(@9psi), power curve like none other! And the transaxle to make it all work!

07-24-2003, 12:13 PM	#151
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	I think that time includes the tranny removal from the car. __________________ really really slow right now. Last edited by aleroboy; 07-24-2003 at 12:16 PM.

07-27-2003, 06:47 PM	#152
BIGSweed Patriot B4 9/11/01 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Graterford PA Age: 41 Posts: 32 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT	Anything new on the development of this product? This would be my next purchase if it were to become available. Please keep on these guys about an upgrade for our 4T45E's!

07-28-2003, 01:01 AM	#153
phantom505 GAGTurbo Owner Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Heltonville, IN Age: 41 Posts: 1,576 Vehicle: '02 GAGT	Yeah, that from start to finnish. So is that too much? __________________ It's ugly, and turbocharged! 264 HP and 284 ft/lbs at the wheels(@9psi), power curve like none other! And the transaxle to make it all work!

07-30-2003, 02:45 PM	#155
BIGSweed Patriot B4 9/11/01 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Graterford PA Age: 41 Posts: 32 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT	UPDATE! I just got an email from Chris Horback yesterday at it reads: Thanks for the inquiry. We are going to launch a blue plate high performance friction plate package later this summer for the 4T40/45Es. I need to emphasize that the friction plates alone will not make the unit indestructible. The unit is only as strong as its weakest link (i.e. line pressure, etc..). In addition, GM Racing will be getting the 4T40/45E program off the ground soon. Vehicle testing will pinpoint the areas in need of improvement. Chris Horbach Product Application Engineer Raybestos Powertrain 964 E Market St. Crawfordsville, IN 47933 800-729-7763 x113 765-364-4577 chorbach@raybestospowertrain.com It looks like some progress is being made guys. Hopefully before long we'll be driving around with a stronger drive train...

09-06-2003, 10:03 AM	#156
PontiacGT2K It's coming... AKA: Andy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Charles, Illinois / Milwaukee, Wisconsin (school) Age: 37 Posts: 2,486 Vehicle: '03 350z Touring	He just emailed me saying "end of year". __________________ Team GMCI "Get the ambulance, my stomach fell out."

09-06-2003, 11:48 AM	#157
Schweppe23 GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Age: 41 Posts: 1,549 Vehicle: Pontiac	We need to stay on these guys to let them know that we are really interested in these parts. So if you sent them an email....send them another one and if you haven't sent them one then get your ass in gear (no pun intended) and do so. Keep the pressure on so we can get these parts developed for our poor 4t45's. Pat Lavanty __________________ First 99+ GAGT to run 14s First E/M (only) GA to run 13s First turbo'D GAGT to run 12s 11's coming soon

03-21-2004, 11:11 AM	#158
eric99gt just go for it AKA: Eric Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houston, TX Age: 39 Posts: 1,505 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT Sedan	what ever happened to this. did it fall through??? __________________ Check the rig out here. http://rankmyride.com/?page=cars/view&CID=250 Check out my Interceptor digital scan tool

03-21-2004, 11:42 AM	#159
phantom505 GAGTurbo Owner Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Heltonville, IN Age: 41 Posts: 1,576 Vehicle: '02 GAGT	I don't know about this particular place, but Domestic Performance will have kits. Right now they sell the limited slips seperately along with complete rebuilds. I was told that he'll have a more expanded version as soon as he can get all the pricing together. __________________ It's ugly, and turbocharged! 264 HP and 284 ft/lbs at the wheels(@9psi), power curve like none other! And the transaxle to make it all work!

07-23-2004, 01:50 PM	#160
1SickGT GAGT - Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: parkersburg, WV Age: 37 Posts: 57 Vehicle: 2000 GAGT - Turbo	i talked to sam at level ten and hes willing to do a group buy on "bulletproofing" our trannys. at this point, is anyone interested? i am interested....fully convinced-no, but interested-yes. anyone else?

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