What is everones next car going to be?

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yeah no offense nikki, but that 4 dr is awful

[Nikki]

Shiiiiiiit no offense taken!!! I don't have the 4 door!!

[XMBlackGT1]

Originally Posted by Braves299

.......ragging on their cars, and not taking care of their cars, they'd be able to make them last longer

Thats probably the truth. If ya dump a SC into a car that wasnt meant to run a SC, its gonna break. If you hammer on it every time you drive it, its gonna fall apart. Take a 50,000 dollar lexus, beat the crap out of it, its gonna fall apart too.

All i gotta say is an integra Type R From japan woo woo

[crazypontiac03]

O God here we Go!!!!

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we've been going

[crazypontiac03]

I know i've been at work all day, your guys have added like another 3 page's! Sorry im out of the loop

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join in my friend

[atc3434]

Maybe this doesn't happen with everybody, but I ask a lot from my GA and its been really good about it. I'm always taking her past 5,000 rpm, usually right close to the rev-limiter, WOT shifts, etc, etc, and I'm not worried about the motor or tranny at all. I don't do the stupid stuff, like neutral drops, driving it cold, rough downshifts, etc, but I do ask for full performance quite frequently. Ya know what, a 3.4 liter motor only making 170-200hp should tolerate making full power quite well, because its not a lot of power for the size of the motor. Should last a lot longer than demanding full power out of a smaller motor that produces signifigantly better power to size than the GA.

Here's an example of what I think about when I consider the Jap motors vs. the American powerplants. The Jap motor in an RSX makes like 20% more power than a stock GA, but its like 40% smaller. It would make sense that this would wearout faster than the bigger, lazier 3400. And thats why I like my American car, I can ask for all the big lazy motors got all the time, and it'll just keep serving it up. Asking for 200hp from 2 liters at 7500rpm all the time seems like asking for trouble, verses asking for 180hp from 3.4 liters at 4800rpm, which doesn't seem so bad. Just the way I look at it. Props though, to getting 200+ NA hp from 2 liters. Now, if they could just get the torque up!

[2003GaGt1]

All of it is personal opinions. There is no clear cut on whats better than the other (American vs. the World). All i know is this, my family has worked for GM my whole life. GM's clothed me, fed me, and gave me great health coverage. My GA is like my child. I love her. Are there better cars, yes, worse, yes. If i didnt get over 9k off the sticker price would i feel different, maybe. You also have a lot of people at different stages of there life on here, some people make a lot more money than others. I pay a lot of bills, rent, and a g/f in college to support. To me, my GA's wonderful and i couldnt afford a 25-30k car.

[GrahamKracka]

Originally Posted by atc3434

Maybe this doesn't happen with everybody, but I ask a lot from my GA and its been really good about it. I'm always taking her past 5,000 rpm, usually right close to the rev-limiter, WOT shifts, etc, etc, and I'm not worried about the motor or tranny at all. I don't do the stupid stuff, like neutral drops, driving it cold, rough downshifts, etc, but I do ask for full performance quite frequently. Ya know what, a 3.4 liter motor only making 170-200hp should tolerate making full power quite well, because its not a lot of power for the size of the motor. Should last a lot longer than demanding full power out of a smaller motor that produces signifigantly better power to size than the GA.

Here's an example of what I think about when I consider the Jap motors vs. the American powerplants. The Jap motor in an RSX makes like 20% more power than a stock GA, but its like 40% smaller. It would make sense that this would wearout faster than the bigger, lazier 3400. And thats why I like my American car, I can ask for all the big lazy motors got all the time, and it'll just keep serving it up. Asking for 200hp from 2 liters at 7500rpm all the time seems like asking for trouble, verses asking for 180hp from 3.4 liters at 4800rpm, which doesn't seem so bad. Just the way I look at it. Props though, to getting 200+ NA hp from 2 liters. Now, if they could just get the torque up!

it doesnt go that way...the rsx's engine will last much longer....its all in design

[95-GT]

The RSX I believe is DOHC, which allows for higher revs. I dunno of many pushrod cars that will go past 6K before valve float. That is of course if you have a stock valvetrain.

[atc3434]

What's the cruise RPM at 75 in an RSX? Probably at least 3000, or more like 3500. I don't really know how much more overdrive the 6spd is than the 5spd, but I remember my buddies integra ran about 3700rpm in 5th at 75, just the way those things are geared. So, figuring on cruise rpm as well, wouldn't 2000rpm (the GA) vs. 3500rpm(4cyl. stick Jap) make for longer engine life. I understand the valvetrains built for the revs, but every time that engine rolls over another turn, thats wear. It would seem that over a 100,000 miles a Jap car's engine have turned a lot more total revolutions than an American ride. Just me $.02.

I don't seem many properly treated American cars having trouble racking up tons of miles. Here's a though for you, why are all cabs big Fords or Chevys? (Moreso ford in the recent years) You'd think the cab companies would chose whatever cars would run the strongest the longest. I've had to 90 degree GM motor go to 200,000 miles, still ran when I sold them. (Both 3300's w/ 3spds, so they did some rpm highway cruising w/ no overdrive. They got beat on too, hardcore. Trailers, racing, went one winter with a stuck open thermostat, couldn't kill that motor!) Anyways, I think its a moot point to try and say one outlasts the other (Jap vs. American), at least in teh motor department. A beat American car will wear out, so will a Jap. Take care of it, and todays modern engines, where-ever built, will go pretty much indefintely.

[MonoChrome83]

My next car will be a 94-95 Mustang GT 5.0, unless I have a kid between now and then, then it might be a bodydropped Chevy caprice (maybe wagon), gotta have a scrapin' family car, you know what I'm sayin???

[atc3434]

Originally Posted by MonoChrome83

My next car will be a 94-95 Mustang GT 5.0, unless I have a kid between now and then, then it might be a bodydropped Chevy caprice (maybe wagon), gotta have a scrapin' family car, you know what I'm sayin???

Impala SS... LT1 power, room for the family. Tons of aftermarket. People don't like to let go of them for a reasonable price though. It's the whole collecters car mentality. I suppose if I had one (almost did) and was trying to sell it I'd probably try and wrangle a few extra bucks out of it too. Of course the mustang has tons of aftermarket too, I just don't like the mid 90's looks. Besides, it has a blue oval.

[MonoChrome83]

True, but I wouldn't want to hack up a true impala ss to make my custom. I know where you can get caprices very cheap, and some of them come with the same motor as the SS. Same horsepower, but easier on the budget, plus your not cutting up a classic.

[Silver02EX]

Originally Posted by atc3434

What's the cruise RPM at 75 in an RSX? Probably at least 3000, or more like 3500. I don't really know how much more overdrive the 6spd is than the 5spd, but I remember my buddies integra ran about 3700rpm in 5th at 75, just the way those things are geared. So, figuring on cruise rpm as well, wouldn't 2000rpm (the GA) vs. 3500rpm(4cyl. stick Jap) make for longer engine life. I understand the valvetrains built for the revs, but every time that engine rolls over another turn, thats wear. It would seem that over a 100,000 miles a Jap car's engine have turned a lot more total revolutions than an American ride. Just me $.02.

The engine is design to take the high RPM.... Take the S2000 or the Type R for example. They have a 9,000 red line. I'm sure those motor can last a long time. If you are saying high RPM car can wear out faster than a car that doesn't rev as high. Then a sports bike will have a very short life then? if they red line really high? If you look in the manual for most Honda / Acura you will find a section telling, at what RPM to shift, and most of the DOHC VTEC will have a high RPM shift point. I'm sure Honda thought about that when they were making the engine. From what I also have read about the B and K series motor if you shift at say 2,000-2,500 it can wear the motor out faster than shifting when you're suppose to which is around 3,000-3,500 RPM.

[atc3434]

I know that they are designed to take the additional rpm. And defietely lugging the motor (short shifting) is a bad idea. My point is not that the engines can't handle the high rpm, but that the high revving motors would theoretically wear faster than the slower turning larger motors. Its really hard to say though. If you ran a Vetc motor at 50% power output (probably somewhere north of 5500rpms) and ran a 3400 at 50% power (probably around 3200rpm) which engine would last the longest? I'm sure it'd be a very long test, and I can't really say which motor would wear out faster. You'd think the 3400 would probably run longer, because it produces power at a low rpm, but perhaps the Honda motor would surprise me. I know they are very strong, and they do know how to make high rpm power. Certainly makes for an interesting discussion.

Oh, for the sportbikes, which do you think runs longer, an 88 inch Harely, or a 600cc 13,000rpm screamer?

Edit: As I think about this more, I think it really comes to a question of efficiency vs. strenght. The Jap stuff is highly efficient, there is no denying that. 210hp out of 2 liters is making great power for its size. The 3400 doesn't come anywhere near making that level off power to size, if it was possible get the same hp to size at 3400cc's it would make 357hp. [3400*210]/2000. The 2 liter RSX makes 105hp per liter, thats pretty darn good. 50 years ago Chevy reached a major step with the 283 V8 (SBC) which made 1hp per cubic inch, 283hp. Thats a 4.6 liter motor making 61.5hp per liter. The RSX motor produces almost double the power per liter that the orignal SBC made 50 years ago. The question is, what price is this awesome power from small size coming at. With strong materials and good designs, maybe not much. But more power from a smaller engine must come at some price. The 3400 may only make 51.4 hp per liter, but it would seem that would indicate it would be pretty strong. Just food for though.

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by atc3434

I know that they are designed to take the additional rpm. And defietely lugging the motor (short shifting) is a bad idea. My point is not that the engines can't handle the high rpm, but that the high revving motors would theoretically wear faster than the slower turning larger motors. Its really hard to say though. If you ran a Vetc motor at 50% power output (probably somewhere north of 5500rpms) and ran a 3400 at 50% power (probably around 3200rpm) which engine would last the longest? I'm sure it'd be a very long test, and I can't really say which motor would wear out faster. You'd think the 3400 would probably run longer, because it produces power at a low rpm, but perhaps the Honda motor would surprise me. I know they are very strong, and they do know how to make high rpm power. Certainly makes for an interesting discussion.

Oh, for the sportbikes, which do you think runs longer, an 88 inch Harely, or a 600cc 13,000rpm screamer?

Edit: As I think about this more, I think it really comes to a question of efficiency vs. strenght. The Jap stuff is highly efficient, there is no denying that. 210hp out of 2 liters is making great power for its size. The 3400 doesn't come anywhere near making that level off power to size, if it was possible get the same hp to size at 3400cc's it would make 357hp. [3400*210]/2000. The 2 liter RSX makes 105hp per liter, thats pretty darn good. 50 years ago Chevy reached a major step with the 283 V8 (SBC) which made 1hp per cubic inch, 283hp. Thats a 4.6 liter motor making 61.5hp per liter. The RSX motor produces almost double the power per liter that the orignal SBC made 50 years ago. The question is, what price is this awesome power from small size coming at. With strong materials and good designs, maybe not much. But more power from a smaller engine must come at some price. The 3400 may only make 51.4 hp per liter, but it would seem that would indicate it would be pretty strong. Just food for though.

Please go back to school. Honda motors are built and wound up tightly. The clearances are tight, the quality in the motors are top notch *suffice to say there will always be a lemon in the batch, but that's life*. There is no price to pay for the car revving like it does. The motor was built to rev and make power that way. The tolerances are tight as to not create unnecessary wear on the moving components.

Just please stop comparing... please... I dont even want to try to be technical because it's going to hurt my head.. just stop.

[SpyhunteR]

BACK ON TOPIC!!!!!

The next car I'm going to be driving around in.

*drumroll*.... the odds are probably a 1971 Datsun 510 coupe. Satin black, red wheels, lots of shaved goodness, and slammed for cruising.