To those who said it was impossible

[Lash]

Originally Posted by kubiache

Hmm...The 3400 has been in GAs for 5 years. 6 years after 3800s were in GPs, they were in the 10s. So what's the excuse for 3400s not being right on the edge of running 10s yet if they're a better engine with more mod potential? How many 3400s are in the 12s again? Aside from a fat shot of juice, how much money does it take to put a 3400 into the 13s?

You can argue that 3800s are only fast with boost. Well, are 3400s really going to ever be all-motor monsters? Anyone here who wants to ever run 12s or better should plan on boost. There's no way around it.

Argue lack of aftermarket for 3400s. Well, who's fault is that?

3800s are better engines than 3400s. Period. Someone throw 23 psi at a stock 3400 bottom end and see if it results in a 10 second pass or 10 pieces of each piston in the oil pan. There's a reason the 3800 has been around so long.


Edit, Disclaimer: I'm not bashing GAs at all, I still love them, miss mine, and know my roots. Just a friendly engine argument.

Wow! You said it perfectly.

[Gold99HO]

the 3400 wasnt made to be raced

[korbendallas68]

Neither is GA's or GP's. We don't drive sports cars.

"the 3400 wasnt made to be raced"

With what you are sayin, why are you even trying to make your GA faster??

[botlfed]

good job on the swap ( the whole point of this thread)\

the rest is a bunch of worthless arguments
that makes me realize that some people are complete idiots when it comes to car knowledge

[Gold99HO]

Originally Posted by korbendallas68

Neither is GA's or GP's. We don't drive sports cars.

"the 3400 wasnt made to be raced"

With what you are sayin, why are you even trying to make your GA faster??

Look, just because i do it doesnt mean its right.. wacth how you say things to me..

[dsk727]

Originally Posted by botlfed

good job on the swap ( the whole point of this thread)\

the rest is a bunch of worthless arguments
that makes me realize that some people are complete idiots when it comes to car knowledge

hehe... yeah our threads always get off topic, we need a new thread for all these other arguments (3800 vs. 3400, which other websites are truthful or not.... etc)

but again... nice job on the swap and hopefully this will make it easier for more GA owners to do the swap!

[kubiache]

Originally Posted by dsk727

hehe... yeah our threads always get off topic, we need a new thread for 3800 vs. 3400

We have one, it's called www.60degreev6.com



kidding, Brad.

[dsk727]

hehe you guys crack me up!!

[bszopi]

Speaking of car knowledge...

To whoever said the 3400 was in the 93-95 Camaros, you are really dumb. The 3400 didn't even come out until 96, when it was first used in the vans. It was a 3.4L (yeah, a totally different engine!) that was in the Camaros.

The 3800 is 1 of only three engine remaining in the GM lineup using iron heads. The other 2 engines, the 4300 and 8100, are both using newer technology Vortec heads. Every other engine in the GM lineup uses aluminum heads. Big deal? Kinda...

The 3800s are about to be phased out by the newer 60V6s coming out, like the 2.8VVT, the 3.6VVT and the 3900.

I'm sure I could argue all day, because I enjoy it. I said in my first thread that he did a good job on the swap, but I was just laughing at all the people drooling over it like it was the next big thing. I'd like to see how many people in the GA community actually do something similar in the next 2 years. I bet it will be MAYBE 1 or 2. Why? Because most of you are too dumb or lazy to take the time to figure out how to do it. Its like the 5-spd swap... everytime a thread comes up about it, all you can say is "its just a big waste of money and its not worth the time or effort". But I bet as soon as someone finally takes the time to do it, all the nay-sayers are going to be drooling over it as well and asking "so when is there gonna be a kit out for me to do this?!?!?"

[kubiache]

Originally Posted by bszopi

Because most of you are too dumb or lazy to take the time to figure out how to do it.

Which goes back to what I said about lack of 3400 aftermarket. There's plenty of people smart enough here, but nobody wants to really innovate.

[H.O. Driver]

Originally Posted by kubiache

Which goes back to what I said about lack of 3400 aftermarket. There's plenty of people smart enough here, but nobody wants to really innovate.

There is very few of us that have the time and money to do these things, and even fewer have access to the machinery that can modify and innovate products Dave you have seen Fast Bikes shop

In a sense we are smart too, because the aftermarket for a 3400 isn't a really futuristic business. Yes they still have a ton of them floating around, but few who are serious into moding. Even with the 3500 coming out in the the newer cars, those look like a pain in the butt to mod and have less room then us to put in parts. Truthfully how many people would look into getting their G6 to run 12s? I think a lot of people are hecktic about getting too far into a 3400 business, becuase where would it be in 10yrs, probably no longer. It takes a few years for a business to make money unless you can do all your own parts in house with machines you already have access to and paid for.

The swap is still something to see, it takes lots of time a skill to get it to all work properly together. Depending on how much he spent on the swap he could have had RSM slap a CSC on it and ran just as fast, however he didn't do that, he wanted something different. If he slapped a 3.4", intake, and exhuast on that thing he's got a high 13 sec car without that much effort.. This is what he wanted to do and I say "good job" (yes I am retracting statements I made earlier about the x-over, I see it now) I would have done somethings different but it wasn't my car or my choice

[rocketfast123]

Was the 3.4 in the Camaros and Firebirds a DOHC? What is with gm and the 100s. Give the engine names like fords does. Back in the day youngsters it was a 4.3 not a 4300

[H.O. Driver]

Originally Posted by rocketfast123

Was the 3.4 in the Camaros and Firebirds a DOHC? What is with gm and the 100s. Give the engine names like fords does. Back in the day youngsters it was a 4.3 not a 4300

It was a 3.4l not a DOHC or a 3400, its almost like the difference of a 3.1l and a 3x00.

[AznGA]

I still don't understand why we are even arguing about 3400 vs. 3800. 3800>3400 PERIOD. Which has more aftermarket? 3800. Which engine has focking LIM leak problem? 3400.

I doesn't matter if 3800 is heavier. It's more power makes up for it. Just like how our 3400 GA's beat other 4 cyl cars.

[kubiache]

Originally Posted by AznGA

Which engine has focking LIM leak problem? 3400.

I wouldn't base the argument on that. 3800s have valve cover gasket leaks just as frequently as 3400 LIMs.

[bszopi]

There are also over 90 insurance claims of the engines catching on fire, due to a backfire into the SC.

[Pontiac Ninja]

I read through this entire thread, sheesh (8 pages of arguing), but anyways!!

Awsome job on the swap I knew someone would do it, just a matter of time (like most things). I definitely agree that hardly anyone will try this in the next couple of years (but some will and too them good luck), but it sure is cool to see that SOMEONE did try and ACCOMPLISHED it!

3400's are not made to race but it sure is fun to try and make them that way! I just wish I had more extra cash for things like ported upper and lower intake manifolds, 62mm high flow TB, TOG headers, etc..... I know its not worth it in terms of value, but sometimes worth is simply measured in how much satisfaction and gratification (sp) the person gets out it, BOTTOMLINE (which I would say happens alot in the car modding world)!

[FORTEEN3GT]

Originally Posted by Lash

You willing to put money on that?

Take maybe a NA 3800 and put it in a GA vs. a 3400 GA.


I think not.

maybe if you swapped the motors it would beat my 3400....but for the extra cost involved in the swap i could do alot to my 3400 with the money!

i am saying

3800 NA GP vs 3400 NA GAGT ......my GAGT wins! hands down.... NA 3800's don't run for squat....only with boost do they run decent! I have beaten many NA 3800's that have my mods and a cam!

[FORTEEN3GT]

Originally Posted by kubiache

how much money does it take to put a 3400 into the 13s?

You can argue that 3800s are only fast with boost. Well, are 3400s really going to ever be all-motor monsters? Anyone here who wants to ever run 12s or better should plan on boost. There's no way around it.

Argue lack of aftermarket for 3400s. Well, who's fault is that?

3800s are better engines than 3400s. Period. Someone throw 23 psi at a stock 3400 bottom end and see if it results in a 10 second pass or 10 pieces of each piston in the oil pan. There's a reason the 3800 has been around so long.


Edit, Disclaimer: I'm not bashing GAs at all, I still love them, miss mine, and know my roots. Just a friendly engine argument.

1. how much money? not money TIME! newer motor than 3800's...all we need is a cam and bottom end package that the 3800's have had for years!

2. lack of aftermarket is only due to the above = TIME!

3. by the way.... a built GAGT with all my mods... + cam, + pistons, + tranny with torque convertor/LSD, and + properly calibrated computer should be in the high 13's NA! Heck...my car is already running mid 14's without a good tranny, computer, and cam (based on 8th mile timeslips only which are for good measure since i have run with and without nitrous and can compare NA vs Nitrous slips)


overall i kind of think this is similiar to the LS1 vs LT1 argument that High Performance Ponitac covered in there mag a few months back....by the way...didnt the LT1's win that battle here in Texas.....

these motor's are so different yet so similiar.......again the problem with the 3.4 is not displacement of its 60 degree configuration..it is the obsolete Transmission which plagues us....

[FORTEEN3GT]

Originally Posted by korbendallas68

Neither is GA's or GP's. We don't drive sports cars.

"the 3400 wasnt made to be raced"

With what you are sayin, why are you even trying to make your GA faster??

you said it! by the way... stock bottom end on a grand am 3.4 can easily handle 50 sprays of an 85 dry shot with no issues minus the leaky intake gaskets!

stock bottoms have not failed yet! any boost brother blow up there 3400? i think not! only thing going out is the tranny.

so where did someone boost 23psi on a stock 3800? yeah right....prove it! maybe one or 2 passes max....then BOOOOOOOM!