Why are GTP modders overall more intelligent than GAGT ones??

[FORTEEN3GT]

Originally Posted by Vinaashak

Fourteen What mods do you have on the GTP? Have you ran it at the track yet?

Posted earlier.

Originally Posted by FORTEEN3GT

GTP mods and supporting mods are 3.4 pulley, intense pcm, slp air intake, 180 stat, colder plugs, new belts, no cat, no resonator (for now), no u-bend, thrush turbo mufflers w/ stock tips. (1.9 rockers soon )

No trips to the track. I have run it on the street. It is much faster than my Grand Am with nitrous, when it ran a 14.3 et at 98mph.

[Lash]

u get that thing scanned for KR yet?

[FORTEEN3GT]

nope....not yet. I need to buy a palm.

[AznGA]

Originally Posted by FORTEEN3GT

no because you still don't understand what the point of this thread was....that is why I feel smarter..... YOU JUST DON"T GET IT!!!

I get your point. Not thinking about good old days with your Grand Am, now you think you are the Sh!t with your GTP, thinking you are smarter than anyone else. Who said speed is everything? Just because we are modding to run low 15's, that doesn't mean we are all retarded. I can guarantee if you were a 16-year old kid that just got a licence and a GA, you would come in here and ask about intakes. Do any of us go over to clubGP to discuss about stupidity of GP owners? No. Then why are you even posting here? If you wanna brag about your GTP, go elsewhere. No one is gonna listen to you, and people are still gonna bring up the topics that you are not happy with.

[Braves299]

Originally Posted by AznGA

I get your point. Not thinking about good old days with your Grand Am, now you think you are the Sh!t with your GTP, thinking you are smarter than anyone else. Who said speed is everything? Just because we are modding to run low 15's, that doesn't mean we are all retarded. I can guarantee if you were a 16-year old kid that just got a licence and a GA, you would come in here and ask about intakes. Do any of us go over to clubGP to discuss about stupidity of GP owners? No. Then why are you even posting here? If you wanna brag about your GTP, go elsewhere. No one is gonna listen to you, and people are still gonna bring up the topics that you are not happy with.

what he said ^

[Greed4Speed]

Originally Posted by Vinaashak

Nitrous is still not cheating in my opinion. Its a way to develope more power. Now the only time i do consider it cheating is when someone says they are not spraying and they are.

I personally agree with you, but many wouldn't. I was originally responding to someone who apparently knows little to nothing about racing who claimed that forced induction was considered cheating by "serious racers."

[FORTEEN3GT]

Originally Posted by AznGA

I get your point. Not thinking about good old days with your Grand Am, now you think you are the Sh!t with your GTP, thinking you are smarter than anyone else. Who said speed is everything? Just because we are modding to run low 15's, that doesn't mean we are all retarded. I can guarantee if you were a 16-year old kid that just got a licence and a GA, you would come in here and ask about intakes. Do any of us go over to clubGP to discuss about stupidity of GP owners? No. Then why are you even posting here? If you wanna brag about your GTP, go elsewhere. No one is gonna listen to you, and people are still gonna bring up the topics that you are not happy with.

if you take offense to what i said....... do us a favor... don't read it. Just as much as I may choose not to read half the crap posted here. I spend more time on this site than clubgp. I like this site more and the people on it... minus you two. Most dont make personal attacks and give constructive advise. I also do the same.

I never said anything in this thread about my GTP..... except answering others questions.

My post was directed towards the regulars on this board... those that troll the performance section and actually mod there cars.... I am all about progression... you "son" are the kind of "childish" attitudes that will never contribute anything that will benifit the community. I have tested nitrous kits- showed that you can put a pretty large dry shot without leaning issues, gave lots of advise, and also am a testimony to what mods can do. Contribute something on this side of the forum... than proceed to talk sh1t to me! I am simply stating an observation. If you don't like the truth..... go to n-body.net!

[kubiache]

I really hope you guys don't see me and Pat (Vinaashak) the same way FORTEEN3GT is making himself look because we have GTPs and still hang out here, too.


Nitrous = not cheating, but an easy way out. Cars that are fast with juice don't impress me much, because, as stated earlier, you have to turn it on/fill it...it's not there right now, ready to go at any time.

[FORTEEN3GT]

Originally Posted by kubiache

I really hope you guys don't see me and Pat (Vinaashak) the same way FORTEEN3GT is making himself look because we have GTPs and still hang out here, too.

Just because you guys enjoy all the threads about turbonators and crap.... doesnt mean I do! The entire point of this thread is completely being missed.

Where am I wrong here. Please...... educate me! This is nuts. How can you say I am making myself look bad! I am simply preaching the truth. How about we have nothing but threads directed towards pointless mods.... with this attitude this site will turn into www.clubsi.com! You wait and see!

See me how you want.... I am not here to make friends with all the newbs and uneducated poser's (i mean posters) I am here to learn and find out what is best for my car. Heck.... I rarely post in anyother sections but the performance one.

[eric99gt]

where you're wrong forteen is that all the GA modders love the site. Sure it has it's downfalls but what site doesn't. I know you're not picking on the hardcore GA modders but when ya come in here stating about how the site is picking up a lot of uneducated ppl you are reffering to our boards. What really was the point of the thread. It really served no purpose. What did you want us to kick out all the less than educated ones. I'm sure there was a time when you sucked at cars too and asked dumb questions. Through this site that changed. Instead of finding faults how about making things better and educating the people who say dumb things.

[bszopi]

From my point of view (I think I already stated this, but...), as a non-GA owner, the reason I started coming here was to try to help stop the spread of worthless crap about these engines on the internet. In the time that I have been here, I have seen the site do a 360. There was a point about a year or so ago that there was alot of really good info being passed along this site. In the past couple of months, it seems that the hardcore guys have disappeared. When you loose the people that have done alot, you get back to the point of less-knowledgable people trying to learn. Without the help of the senior people, the information passed around is going to start to get worse and worse.

Am I agreeing with Mike? Not 100%. I will never be one to call anyone more intelligent than another when it comes to modding different types of cars. But I will agree that the quality of the threads around here lately has been far from good. Every now and again, there are some good posts that come up, but more often than not, they are all pretty minute and trivial. Not saying this is a bad thing.... But, in order for the site to continue on, there needs to be thought-provoking threads. And it can't involve just the same people over and over. Because those people get sick of talking about basically the same stuff. Threads need new blood in a sense to get people motivated. If the new crowd doesn't have the motivation to get involved in the in-depth discussions, then this site IS going to die. Or at least the performance section of the site.

That's what keeps things interesting and active over on 60V6.com. How many times have people brought up designing a whole new plenum for these engines? I have brought it up (my project) before, and people were like "ooo, wow... how it works out for you", "hey, can you build me one", etc.. And that is where the discussion ends. If people get involved in threads like this, you'd be suprised where it leads to. And its amazing what not only the less-experienced people learn, but also what the experienced people learn. I don't know in how many in-depth threads some newbie out of nowhere came in and mentioned something which lead to a completely new discussion of how something could be done. Its these new ideas that helps build the community. But in the same aspect, the older crowd can't shoot newbie down because they think its stupid, or that its been discussed before. Just because it was discussed before doesn't mean that the issue can't have a better discussion and end result now.

Ok, so now that I've written a book... Let's hear what everyone has to say.

[FORTEEN3GT]

Originally Posted by eric99gt

where you're wrong forteen is that all the GA modders love the site. Sure it has it's downfalls but what site doesn't. I know you're not picking on the hardcore GA modders but when ya come in here stating about how the site is picking up a lot of uneducated ppl you are reffering to our boards. What really was the point of the thread. It really served no purpose. What did you want us to kick out all the less than educated ones. I'm sure there was a time when you sucked at cars too and asked dumb questions. Through this site that changed. Instead of finding faults how about making things better and educating the people who say dumb things.

one goal of the thread! WAKE UP CALL!!! we 3.4 owners need it!

by the way... i learned alot from this site... but maybe for the less informed we need a section though for basic automotive knowledge... like how an engine works etc.

what you said makes sense... but brads post above is also hitting the nail on the head.


like i said... i dont want to offend people but many of us have been thinking this.... i just have the audacity to state the obvious.

[kubiache]

Originally Posted by FORTEEN3GT

like i said... i dont want to offend people but many of us have been thinking this.... i just have the audacity to state the obvious.

The problem is the way you pat yourself on the back with your complete lack of tact. You don't "learn" by bragging.

On gagt.com - "We GTP modders are more intelligent."

On clubgp.com - "My GA can kick your stock GTPs ass!"

That doesn't help you learn, it immediately makes everyone else defensive and say "what the hell is this guys' problem?" Then instead of getting help, you get eaten alive. And instead of asking legit questions, you spend all your time defending yourself asking why nobody else gets your point.

[Lash]

Originally Posted by kubiache

On gagt.com - "We GTP modders are more intelligent."

On clubgp.com - "My GA can kick your stock GTPs ass!"

LMAO

[Lash]

Also...lets take a look at the title in this thread...


"Why are GTP modders overall more intelligent than GAGT ones??"

So after pretty much calling th entire GA community (on a GRAND AM SITE!!) as a whole 'stupid'...what kind of responce were you expecting to get?







flip flop flip flop

[Greed4Speed]

Originally Posted by FORTEEN3GT

but maybe for the less informed we need a section though for basic automotive knowledge... like how an engine works etc.

What would be the point? They ignore the stickied threads, don't look at current threads on the same subject they have a question on, and won't use search. Why would they go to a beginner's guide thread?

It isn't just in this forum either.

[FORTEEN3GT]

guess i could have been more polite.... but after going thru tons of threads looking for intelligent discussion.... i could only find it on another website.

it's getting pretty "dumb" around here.... no more meat and potatoe topics. just bullcrap.

sorry. I am just tired of bullsh1t.

and the car is faster than a stock GTP.... they just didn't believe it! lmao

[FORTEEN3GT]

Originally Posted by FORTEEN3GT

Well... since i purchased my GTP I have learned alot about those things and the guys that mod them.... as well as how to mod them effectively.

My thread was titled as such do to the overwhelming number of people hear that seriously mod ineffectively.

I mean we n-body guys have fellow n-body owners that insist on asking about some really stupid stuff.... such as:

replacing the maf for horsepower.
changing filters or CAI vs WAI
IAT sensor mods?? what gives?
differences in mufflers for horsepower.
2.25 piping vs 2.5 etc..... not that big of a deal people!
new crank pulleys
* a freakin electric water pump! *
TB heat shields
TB spacers


feel free to add to this list!!!!!!!!!!!!!



lately all the threads in this forum have been about tiddly wink mods....
what happened to the discussions that seriously would potentially benifit getting these cars out of the 15's and high 14's?

I haven't seen many on clubgp.com talking about the stupid stuff i keep seeing here..... no one talks about tornados, IAT mods, MAF's, and all this other crap that doesn't help squat.

GUYS.... if you really want horsepower on the 3.4 engine.... take my advise.
mod in this order. ......(feel free to skip around due to budget!)

1. CAI or Air box (if a box becomes available)
2. Exhaust.... SLP or Borla
**this would be a good time to buy a supercharger or turbo kit**
3. DHP PCM!!
4. Headers (I might also suggest a dump that exits under the drivers side door in front of the rear tire! I love mine and it adds serious results! over one tenth off my 8th mile time! from a 9.6 to a 9.42!)
**good time to invest 500.00 for some n2o!**
5. Port you heads and angle the valves (find a reputable machine shop or engine builder for this.... unless you can do it yourself)
6. Port your intake plenum and purchase a 65 or 62mm throttle body
7. Keep waiting on a cam that will really waken up this engine! (heck... just changing the rockers on a GTP from stock 1.6 to 1.9 adds 20+whp! goes to show what better valve lift and increased valve opening time on even a stock cam will do!!) Imagine our engines getting more fuel and air prior to combustion..... i am sure you all know that the stock engine is getting alot less air/fuel than it is capable of injesting prior to your plugs firing and burning the mixture before the exhaust valves open!

If i personally continue to do anything to my GAGT.... it will be a cam (only when the engine becomes a PITA due to mileage) and likely a supercharger...... I am seriously considering the RSM kit at this point. Due to no other viable options.
after that it will be a paint job and lowering springs! then i will be done.

end

not calling anyone stupid....just uneducated.

[bigbenSC]

Money plays an important part on the types of questions asked, someone began to mention this earlier. The people who are getting into the grand am scene now are buying used cars for cheap. They don't have the cash to supercharge, put in a new cam, buy headers, or do other serious mods. When this site was started all the cars were new and the buyer was more affluent and knowledgable about cars. Therefore the discussions were deep because the pockets were deep.

Here is a likely scenario: you buy a 99 GT for $5500 when you turn 16, you are just getting your feet wet, and are looking for stuff to build your experiance up with. A lot of those basic mods are going to be exhaust, MAF, intake type stuff. The questions will come forth about those things. So what if they have been answered before? As someone with the answers to those questions you should be glad to help out and get a sense of pride in doing so. If you feel that you are above the question then don't answer it.

Now that the GA is gone I wouldn't expect many people to be interested in the heavy mods because the cost can not be justified on a used car. Don't be surprised to see this start to happen to the Grand Prix world in 2 years or so when the car and the engine are gone.

Just my explanation to the topic at hand.

[ram444]

Originally Posted by bigbengt67

Money plays an important part on the types of questions asked, someone began to mention this earlier. The people who are getting into the grand am scene now are buying used cars for cheap. They don't have the cash to supercharge, put in a new cam, buy headers, or do other serious mods. When this site was started all the cars were new and the buyer was more affluent and knowledgable about cars. Therefore the discussions were deep because the pockets were deep.

Here is a likely scenario: you buy a 99 GT for $5500 when you turn 16, you are just getting your feet wet, and are looking for stuff to build your experiance up with. A lot of those basic mods are going to be exhaust, MAF, intake type stuff. The questions will come forth about those things. So what if they have been answered before? As someone with the answers to those questions you should be glad to help out and get a sense of pride in doing so. If you feel that you are above the question then don't answer it.

Now that the GA is gone I wouldn't expect many people to be interested in the heavy mods because the cost can not be justified on a used car. Don't be surprised to see this start to happen to the Grand Prix world in 2 years or so when the car and the engine are gone.

Just my explanation to the topic at hand.

Ive been watching this thread and I agree. Well said.