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atc3434 · 08-12-2005, 02:29 PM

Milzy... I'm interested in tranny work. A gearing change, especially on an SE, would be a HUGE difference in 1/4 mile times. Right now I suffer with a terrible 1/8th mile, but a great trap speed in the 1/4, because I'm geared to the moon. I'm interested in the a final drive ratio change. I'd love to do a h/c at some point too, probably with a complete rebuild (106k on the motor already) I think the interest is there for the gear change, I'd really like to see that for this car.

xxbackhillxx · 08-12-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by atc3434

Milzy... I'm interested in tranny work. A gearing change, especially on an SE, would be a HUGE difference in 1/4 mile times. Right now I suffer with a terrible 1/8th mile, but a great trap speed in the 1/4, because I'm geared to the moon. I'm interested in the a final drive ratio change. I'd love to do a h/c at some point too, probably with a complete rebuild (106k on the motor already) I think the interest is there for the gear change, I'd really like to see that for this car.

Ditto

MilzyZ34 · 08-13-2005, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by O1GAGT

What is the estimated cost of doing the tranny swap only, because I might be interested in doing that pretty soon.

I'm not sure what the estimated cost for someone else to do the conversion. of course you'll need a 4t65, so that could be anywhere between 300-1000 depending what year/condition/model you get. Then you'll need custom axles made. i would think that would be a few hundred, but haven't researched it a whole lot. If you pay to have it done, you'll probably pay 500+ in just labor. and then all that\'s left after that would be the custom brackets, and however we can get the pcm to get along with the new trans.

99blackSE · 08-13-2005, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by atc3434

Milzy... I'm interested in tranny work. A gearing change, especially on an SE, would be a HUGE difference in 1/4 mile times. Right now I suffer with a terrible 1/8th mile, but a great trap speed in the 1/4, because I'm geared to the moon. I'm interested in the a final drive ratio change. I'd love to do a h/c at some point too, probably with a complete rebuild (106k on the motor already) I think the interest is there for the gear change, I'd really like to see that for this car.

I agree with you on the gears man...

99Alero_Boy · 08-14-2005, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MilzyZ34

I'm not sure what the estimated cost for someone else to do the conversion. of course you'll need a 4t65, so that could be anywhere between 300-1000 depending what year/condition/model you get. Then you'll need custom axles made. i would think that would be a few hundred, but haven't researched it a whole lot. If you pay to have it done, you'll probably pay 500+ in just labor. and then all that\'s left after that would be the custom brackets, and however we can get the pcm to get along with the new trans.

I've done some pretty extensive research on this myself. The 4t65 is just a touch bigger and you will need some custom brackets and axles but you also need to notch the subframe a little for it to fit, I already have a 65tranny and a brand new extra subframe that me and n2o-olds have been working on, as far as we have figured the pcm programming shouldn't be that big of a deal, but then again we have access to the pcm programming on the supercharged aztek that had a 3400 with the 65 tranny.......

I've always thought a 65 tranny swapped would be much better in the long run for boosted applications, the swap would be cheaper than a built 45 not to mention the fact that the 65 tranny aftermarket is light years ahead of the 45 tranny aftermarket.....

I would love to be a part of this MMS project, it would be a little hard for me being in Colorado/South Dakota........From my research i know if you sit down and work (assuming you have access to junk hard and metal fabbing equipment) solid the swap can be had in a weekend......

Milzy if there is any way i can be a part of this pm me, maybe we can work something out.....

kubiache · 08-14-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by atc3434

A gearing change, especially on an SE, would be a HUGE difference in 1/4 mile times.

Realistically speaking, a step up in gears generally results in dropping .1 on your ET, and losing 1mph. Not much more than that. At least that's from that's how it is in GP world. Won't be much different for GAs.

atc3434 · 08-14-2005, 02:17 PM

Yea, I hear what your saying Dave, I still think going from a 3.05 to somewhere like a 3.42 would be a huge change for my car, which struggles to pull those first 60ft, but absolutely screams on top. Supercharged GPs probably have plenty of grunt off the line with the supercharger, but an NA build would probably benifit more from a gear change, than say, the boost motor. My thoughts anyways. Maybe I have a lowend deficiet that is unique to my car, but my bottom end just isn't that strong.

99blackSE · 08-14-2005, 03:53 PM

Ya a change in the FDR from 3.05 to 3.43 should make more than a .1 difference in ET no?

MilzyZ34 · 08-15-2005, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 99Alero_Boy

I've done some pretty extensive research on this myself. The 4t65 is just a touch bigger and you will need some custom brackets and axles but you also need to notch the subframe a little for it to fit, I already have a 65tranny and a brand new extra subframe that me and n2o-olds have been working on, as far as we have figured the pcm programming shouldn't be that big of a deal, but then again we have access to the pcm programming on the supercharged aztek that had a 3400 with the 65 tranny.......

I've always thought a 65 tranny swapped would be much better in the long run for boosted applications, the swap would be cheaper than a built 45 not to mention the fact that the 65 tranny aftermarket is light years ahead of the 45 tranny aftermarket.....

I would love to be a part of this MMS project, it would be a little hard for me being in Colorado/South Dakota........From my research i know if you sit down and work (assuming you have access to junk hard and metal fabbing equipment) solid the swap can be had in a weekend......

Milzy if there is any way i can be a part of this pm me, maybe we can work something out.....

i'm sure we'll be in touch about this.

CTGrandAmSE · 08-19-2005, 07:46 PM

i'm interested in the motor mods and boost. i run my car at englishtown,atco,lebanon valley.I like to drag race it at the pontiac events.My best time so far is 14.98@92mph.Would like to get lower times.

Metallman56 · 08-23-2005, 09:07 PM

where do i sign up? or is it too late?

MilzyZ34 · 08-24-2005, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Metallman56

where do i sign up? or is it too late?

it' not too late. why don't you send me an e-mail to mikem@milzymotorsports.com , describing yourself and which project you think you'd be best for. sometime in the near future, we'll go through all the candidates and make the decisions of who will be the two sponsorees.

trudgy · 08-27-2005, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MilzyZ34

it' not too late. why don't you send me an e-mail to mikem@milzymotorsports.com , describing yourself and which project you think you'd be best for. sometime in the near future, we'll go through all the candidates and make the decisions of who will be the two sponsorees.

i sent you an email about this a few days back , haven't heard from ya yet

MilzyZ34 · 08-27-2005, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by trudgy

i sent you an email about this a few days back , haven't heard from ya yet

i sent it, that's weird, i'll have to look into it. meanwhile i resent with another e-mail account.

trudgy · 09-09-2005, 08:35 AM

Hey Milzy, hadn't heard back from you after my response to your email. just wondering if this is still in the works or what? I come highly recommended by Tim

MilzyZ34 · 09-09-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by trudgy

Hey Milzy, hadn't heard back from you after my response to your email. just wondering if this is still in the works or what? I come highly recommended by Tim

can you resend your e-mail to milzyz34@yahoo.com ? apparently having issues with what i sent on my e-mail.

10-22-2005, 02:14 PM

Wow, so much activity to this thread, and then nothing. Am I too late?

atc3434 · 10-22-2005, 02:30 PM

Still interested in a final drive change....

DavidScott77 · 10-23-2005, 05:57 PM

Sent you an email to your yahoo account as well as at milzymotorsport.

O1GAGT · 10-23-2005, 06:54 PM

I am surprised that no one has jumped on the 4t65 swap instead of spending in upwards of $2000 to rebuild the stock tranny.

08-12-2005, 02:29 PM	#61
atc3434 Grand Am Again AKA: Andrew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auburn, NY Age: 38 Posts: 1,999 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	Milzy... I'm interested in tranny work. A gearing change, especially on an SE, would be a HUGE difference in 1/4 mile times. Right now I suffer with a terrible 1/8th mile, but a great trap speed in the 1/4, because I'm geared to the moon. I'm interested in the a final drive ratio change. I'd love to do a h/c at some point too, probably with a complete rebuild (106k on the motor already) I think the interest is there for the gear change, I'd really like to see that for this car. __________________ 1999 Grand Am SE2 - Blue, TOG Headers, SLP Exhaust, DHP - SOLD 1996 Vert' Z-28 - M6, magnaflow muffler-back, K&N FIPK, Hurst Short-throw - 13.6 @ 103mph. 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona - Go Mango Orange #2832 of 4000. Tune/exhaust. 14.009@97mph. 2002 Saab 9 5 Aero Wagon - 3" turboback/tune. 17psi of sleeper fun just waiting to surprise you.

08-14-2005, 02:17 PM	#67
atc3434 Grand Am Again AKA: Andrew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auburn, NY Age: 38 Posts: 1,999 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	Yea, I hear what your saying Dave, I still think going from a 3.05 to somewhere like a 3.42 would be a huge change for my car, which struggles to pull those first 60ft, but absolutely screams on top. Supercharged GPs probably have plenty of grunt off the line with the supercharger, but an NA build would probably benifit more from a gear change, than say, the boost motor. My thoughts anyways. Maybe I have a lowend deficiet that is unique to my car, but my bottom end just isn't that strong. __________________ 1999 Grand Am SE2 - Blue, TOG Headers, SLP Exhaust, DHP - SOLD 1996 Vert' Z-28 - M6, magnaflow muffler-back, K&N FIPK, Hurst Short-throw - 13.6 @ 103mph. 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona - Go Mango Orange #2832 of 4000. Tune/exhaust. 14.009@97mph. 2002 Saab 9 5 Aero Wagon - 3" turboback/tune. 17psi of sleeper fun just waiting to surprise you.

08-14-2005, 03:53 PM	#68
99blackSE SLP'ed AKA: Brad Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Beausejour, Manitoba, Canada Age: 33 Posts: 287 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE Coupe	Ya a change in the FDR from 3.05 to 3.43 should make more than a .1 difference in ET no? __________________ 1999 GA SE - written off by hit and run - '04-'08 1998 Civic Si - just in time for rising gas prices

10-22-2005, 02:30 PM	#78
atc3434 Grand Am Again AKA: Andrew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auburn, NY Age: 38 Posts: 1,999 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	Still interested in a final drive change.... __________________ 1999 Grand Am SE2 - Blue, TOG Headers, SLP Exhaust, DHP - SOLD 1996 Vert' Z-28 - M6, magnaflow muffler-back, K&N FIPK, Hurst Short-throw - 13.6 @ 103mph. 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona - Go Mango Orange #2832 of 4000. Tune/exhaust. 14.009@97mph. 2002 Saab 9 5 Aero Wagon - 3" turboback/tune. 17psi of sleeper fun just waiting to surprise you.

10-23-2005, 05:57 PM	#79
DavidScott77 Destroy the weak Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 216 Vehicle: Lately a money pit	Sent you an email to your yahoo account as well as at milzymotorsport. __________________ I sense the presence of Ackbar is close!

08-19-2005, 07:46 PM	#70
CTGrandAmSE GAGT - Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shelton CT Age: 53 Posts: 150 Vehicle: 2000 Grand AM SE	i'm interested in the motor mods and boost. i run my car at englishtown,atco,lebanon valley.I like to drag race it at the pontiac events.My best time so far is 14.98@92mph.Would like to get lower times.

08-23-2005, 09:07 PM	#71
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	where do i sign up? or is it too late?

09-09-2005, 08:35 AM	#75
trudgy GAGT - Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 70 Vehicle: 2000 Grand AM GT	Hey Milzy, hadn't heard back from you after my response to your email. just wondering if this is still in the works or what? I come highly recommended by Tim

10-22-2005, 02:14 PM	#77
tigerboyreii Guest Posts: n/a	Wow, so much activity to this thread, and then nothing. Am I too late?

10-23-2005, 06:54 PM	#80
O1GAGT GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Phil Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Age: 37 Posts: 1,107 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT Coupe	I am surprised that no one has jumped on the 4t65 swap instead of spending in upwards of $2000 to rebuild the stock tranny.

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