New aftermarket black headlights? - Page 27

Ajaxus · 09-07-2005, 08:30 AM

no idea what your laws are. i dont expect it would fail you, it is a reflector and with an amber bulb behind it, it will reflect amber when you put the signal on. but like i said, i dont know PA laws, so i couldnt tell you for sure. maybe google for state inspection laws online and see what you can dig up on requirements and such.

rickhigginshtbr · 09-07-2005, 08:38 AM

Quote:

TABLE II—REQUIRED MOTOR VEHICLE LIGHTING EQUIPMENT
(as adopted in Chapter 153)

MULTI-PURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES.
ITEM TRUCKS AND BUSES—80" OR MORE OVERALL WIDTH
Headlamps 2 white 7" Type 2 headlamp units or 2 white, 5¾" Type 1 headlamp units and 2 white 5¾" Type 2A headlamp units and 2 white Type 1A headlamp units
2 white headlamps, Type 2B1 or Type 2D1; or 4 white headlamps; 2 each Type 1C1 and Type 2C1, or Type 2A1
Tail lamps 2 red
Stoplamps 2 red
License Plate Lamp 1 white
Reflex Reflectors 4 red; 2 amber
Side Marker Lamps 2 red; 2 amber
Backup Lamp 1 white
Turn Signal Lamps 2 red or amber; 2 amber
Turn Signal Operating Unit 1
Turn Signal Flasher 1
Vehicular HazardWarning SignalOperating Unit 1
Vehicular HazardWarning SignalFlasher 1
Identification Lamps 3 amber; 3 red
Clearance Lamps 2 amber; 2 red
Intermediate SideMarker Lamp 2 amber
Intermediate ReflexReflectors 2 amber

Nope, not legal in PA.... damn, gonna have to keep a stocker set.

Edit: Wait, is this the code for trucks / buses?

rickhigginshtbr · 09-07-2005, 08:42 AM

Quote:

TABLE IV—REQUIRED MOTOR VEHICLE LIGHTING EQUIPMENT
(as adopted in Chapter 153)

Passenger cars, motorcycles and multi-purpose vehicles, trucks, trailers, and buses of less than 80" overall width:
Headlamps 2 white, 7", Type 2 headlamp units, or 2 white 5¾", Type 1 headlamp units or 2 white 5¾" Type 2A headlamp units and 2 white Type 1A headlamp units.
2 white headlamps, Type 2B1 or Type 2D1; 4 white headlamps, 2 each Type 1C1 and Type 2C1, or Type 1A1 and Type 2A1
Taillamps 2 red
Stop Lamps 2 red
License Plate Light 1 white
Parking LampsReflex Reflectors 2 amber or white4 red, 2 amber
Intermediate Side Reflex Reflectors 2 amber
Intermediate Side Marker Lamps 2 amber
Side Marker Lamps 2 red; 2 amber
Backup Lamp 1 white
Turn Signal Lamps 2 red or amber
Turn Signal Operating Unit 1
Turn Signal Flasher 1
Vehicular Hazard Warning Signal Operating Unit 1
Vehicular Hazard Warning Signal Flasher 1

Nevermind, found it... still illegal

Ajaxus · 09-07-2005, 08:42 AM

looks to be, search again.

edit: we should get a thread going with a list state by state what the requirements are, or atleast where the differences are to shorten the list. make it an easy resource for people prepping for inspections.

02andahalfgt · 09-07-2005, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickhigginshtbr

I agree, lets wait it out some more.... I'm about to list a stock set just to get the money for these... BTW, anyone know if the reflectors on these would pass state inspection in PA?

Says in the Ebay listing they are DOT legal.

Fock PA.

rickhigginshtbr · 09-07-2005, 10:34 AM

You don't know how mad I was when I failed inspection because of the vinyl overlays with the arrowhead cut outs... and that the rockblocker.com tint didnt pass either. One thing you gotta remember about these lights, they're exact molds from the stock ones, meaning that the DOT branding on them is for the Stock ones.... I highly doubt this guy went through the hassle of getting them DOT approved.

Hey! that's one way to get these for cheaper, blackmail him saying we're gonna send the DOT after him for selling merch that isnt DOT approved! I'm only kidding, please, no one do that.

02andahalfgt · 09-07-2005, 10:40 AM

It's not like those home made clear headlights though, it still reflects light. I'm pretty sure you'd be ok. Depends on where you take it though. My dealer loved my tails the first time I brought the car in with them, then the last time warned me it won't pass inspection. Which is bull b/c the reflector shines though perfectly when light is shined on it, which is how it's supposed to work, who cares if you can't see it.

rickhigginshtbr · 09-07-2005, 10:44 AM

But, like I posted, the law states that it has to reflect amber.... what if you put amber reflective tape over it for inspection?

I was at Davis Pontiac in Richboro for inspection. The actual guy from the state was there that day, which was why I was failed. Otherwise they were going to pass me, they loved the headlights + tails too.

02andahalfgt · 09-07-2005, 10:50 AM

Yeah, but I think that b/c the lights themselves say DOT approved (whether it's just molder or not) you can get through a loop hole. They tried to tell me Silverstars were illegal lights, I showed them the package where it says '100% Street Legal' and they shut right up. Worth a shot at least.

rickhigginshtbr · 09-07-2005, 11:01 AM

I think if someone is really out to fail you, they'll go as far as matching up the DOT approval numbers and saying that the numbers don't match to the actual product. But, like I said, if someone is really out to get you to fail.

Grand_Damn · 09-07-2005, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fraws

Fell victim to....

Sold for: US $218.99

Auction ended early with Buy It Now.

Ended: Sep-06-05 21:59:27 PDT
Start time: Sep-05-05 20:06:47 PDT
History: 1 bid (US $218.99 starting bid)
Buyer: fraws

My price range....

man..i got the $240 one....lucky man....and congrats

magyver · 09-07-2005, 06:47 PM

all you chodes should move to wisconsin... no inspection here!

pyro · 09-07-2005, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magyver

all you chodes should move to wisconsin... no inspection here!

or florida

Ajaxus · 09-07-2005, 07:17 PM

i dont think we have one in indiana, that or im fockin up bigtime.

pyro · 09-07-2005, 07:21 PM

nope, indiana doesn't have one either. we are the lucky ones.

Ajaxus · 09-07-2005, 07:23 PM

good to know. hehe

fraws · 09-07-2005, 08:41 PM

CT nope----

fraws · 09-07-2005, 08:58 PM

99 00 01 02 03 04 05 PONTIAC GRAND AM BLACK HEADLIGHTS

$216.99

$217.99

Time Left: 3d 14h 51m

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-00...6139QQtcZphoto

GTLUVA · 09-07-2005, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magyver

all you chodes should move to wisconsin... no inspection here!

Yeah no inspection in Wisconsin it feels good to know that I can't get busted for my illegal twinkle bulbs in my reverse lights. Accept I got busted for not displaying my front license plate so I put the ugly plate back on and haven't gotten pulled over again I got pulled over for that frickin reason by a ****ing state trooper.

rickhigginshtbr · 09-07-2005, 09:06 PM

I dunno, I kinda like PA... I do wanna move to upstate PA where there's no emissions though. And I'm sorry, after two out of three trips to Boston, I can't stand CT. Too much construction and more idiot drivers than in NJ. The last time I went to Boston I bypassed CT altogether.

09-07-2005, 10:34 AM	#526
rickhigginshtbr non-gt owner :) AKA: Rick Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hatboro, PA Age: 38 Posts: 345 Vehicle: '03 GA SE1	You don't know how mad I was when I failed inspection because of the vinyl overlays with the arrowhead cut outs... and that the rockblocker.com tint didnt pass either. One thing you gotta remember about these lights, they're exact molds from the stock ones, meaning that the DOT branding on them is for the Stock ones.... I highly doubt this guy went through the hassle of getting them DOT approved. Hey! that's one way to get these for cheaper, blackmail him saying we're gonna send the DOT after him for selling merch that isnt DOT approved! I'm only kidding, please, no one do that. __________________ 99+ Parts @ my eBay Store - Swap your Drums - 99 Aluminum Control Arms - Project Smooth SC/T - GAOTW - Facebook

09-07-2005, 10:44 AM	#528
rickhigginshtbr non-gt owner :) AKA: Rick Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hatboro, PA Age: 38 Posts: 345 Vehicle: '03 GA SE1	But, like I posted, the law states that it has to reflect amber.... what if you put amber reflective tape over it for inspection? I was at Davis Pontiac in Richboro for inspection. The actual guy from the state was there that day, which was why I was failed. Otherwise they were going to pass me, they loved the headlights + tails too. __________________ 99+ Parts @ my eBay Store - Swap your Drums - 99 Aluminum Control Arms - Project Smooth SC/T - GAOTW - Facebook

09-07-2005, 11:01 AM	#530
rickhigginshtbr non-gt owner :) AKA: Rick Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hatboro, PA Age: 38 Posts: 345 Vehicle: '03 GA SE1	I think if someone is really out to fail you, they'll go as far as matching up the DOT approval numbers and saying that the numbers don't match to the actual product. But, like I said, if someone is really out to get you to fail. __________________ 99+ Parts @ my eBay Store - Swap your Drums - 99 Aluminum Control Arms - Project Smooth SC/T - GAOTW - Facebook

09-07-2005, 06:47 PM	#532
magyver Blue Light Special Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: midwest Age: 39 Posts: 1,575 Vehicle: 00 ga gt coupe black	all you chodes should move to wisconsin... no inspection here! __________________ Giggity

09-07-2005, 07:21 PM	#535
pyro mAUDIrator AKA: Jeremy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wesley Chapel, FL Age: 34 Posts: 3,837 Vehicle: '05 A4 1.8T	nope, indiana doesn't have one either. we are the lucky ones. __________________ They can come closer than close, yeah...original they never will be. Florida Members...CLICK HERE

09-07-2005, 08:30 AM	#521
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	no idea what your laws are. i dont expect it would fail you, it is a reflector and with an amber bulb behind it, it will reflect amber when you put the signal on. but like i said, i dont know PA laws, so i couldnt tell you for sure. maybe google for state inspection laws online and see what you can dig up on requirements and such.

09-07-2005, 08:42 AM	#524
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	looks to be, search again. edit: we should get a thread going with a list state by state what the requirements are, or atleast where the differences are to shorten the list. make it an easy resource for people prepping for inspections.

09-07-2005, 10:40 AM	#527
02andahalfgt Camaro Junkie AKA: Jon Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orefield, PA Age: 39 Posts: 3,638 Vehicle: 06 Jeep/10 Camaro SSRS	It's not like those home made clear headlights though, it still reflects light. I'm pretty sure you'd be ok. Depends on where you take it though. My dealer loved my tails the first time I brought the car in with them, then the last time warned me it won't pass inspection. Which is bull b/c the reflector shines though perfectly when light is shined on it, which is how it's supposed to work, who cares if you can't see it.

09-07-2005, 10:50 AM	#529
02andahalfgt Camaro Junkie AKA: Jon Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orefield, PA Age: 39 Posts: 3,638 Vehicle: 06 Jeep/10 Camaro SSRS	Yeah, but I think that b/c the lights themselves say DOT approved (whether it's just molder or not) you can get through a loop hole. They tried to tell me Silverstars were illegal lights, I showed them the package where it says '100% Street Legal' and they shut right up. Worth a shot at least.

09-07-2005, 07:17 PM	#534
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	i dont think we have one in indiana, that or im fockin up bigtime.

09-07-2005, 07:23 PM	#536
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	good to know. hehe

09-07-2005, 08:41 PM	#537
fraws VAP-T Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: www.waterburyct.com Age: 42 Posts: 336 Vehicle: 2003 Silver GAGT	CT nope---- __________________ -"Here Today, Gone Tomorrow"- -Fraws- Archtype Video Cyberwaste Video Fear Factory Online Squad

09-07-2005, 08:58 PM	#538
fraws VAP-T Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: www.waterburyct.com Age: 42 Posts: 336 Vehicle: 2003 Silver GAGT	99 00 01 02 03 04 05 PONTIAC GRAND AM BLACK HEADLIGHTS $216.99 $217.99 Time Left: 3d 14h 51m http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-00...6139QQtcZphoto __________________ -"Here Today, Gone Tomorrow"- -Fraws- Archtype Video Cyberwaste Video Fear Factory Online Squad

09-07-2005, 09:06 PM	#540
rickhigginshtbr non-gt owner :) AKA: Rick Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hatboro, PA Age: 38 Posts: 345 Vehicle: '03 GA SE1	I dunno, I kinda like PA... I do wanna move to upstate PA where there's no emissions though. And I'm sorry, after two out of three trips to Boston, I can't stand CT. Too much construction and more idiot drivers than in NJ. The last time I went to Boston I bypassed CT altogether. __________________ 99+ Parts @ my eBay Store - Swap your Drums - 99 Aluminum Control Arms - Project Smooth SC/T - GAOTW - Facebook

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