New aftermarket black headlights?

[Ajaxus]

no idea what your laws are. i dont expect it would fail you, it is a reflector and with an amber bulb behind it, it will reflect amber when you put the signal on. but like i said, i dont know PA laws, so i couldnt tell you for sure. maybe google for state inspection laws online and see what you can dig up on requirements and such.

[rickhigginshtbr]

TABLE II—REQUIRED MOTOR VEHICLE LIGHTING EQUIPMENT
(as adopted in Chapter 153)


MULTI-PURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES.
ITEM TRUCKS AND BUSES—80" OR MORE OVERALL WIDTH
Headlamps 2 white 7" Type 2 headlamp units or 2 white, 5¾" Type 1 headlamp units and 2 white 5¾" Type 2A headlamp units and 2 white Type 1A headlamp units
2 white headlamps, Type 2B1 or Type 2D1; or 4 white headlamps; 2 each Type 1C1 and Type 2C1, or Type 2A1
Tail lamps 2 red
Stoplamps 2 red
License Plate Lamp 1 white
Reflex Reflectors 4 red; 2 amber
Side Marker Lamps 2 red; 2 amber
Backup Lamp 1 white
Turn Signal Lamps 2 red or amber; 2 amber
Turn Signal Operating Unit 1
Turn Signal Flasher 1
Vehicular HazardWarning SignalOperating Unit 1
Vehicular HazardWarning SignalFlasher 1
Identification Lamps 3 amber; 3 red
Clearance Lamps 2 amber; 2 red
Intermediate SideMarker Lamp 2 amber
Intermediate ReflexReflectors 2 amber

Nope, not legal in PA.... damn, gonna have to keep a stocker set.

Edit: Wait, is this the code for trucks / buses?

[rickhigginshtbr]

TABLE IV—REQUIRED MOTOR VEHICLE LIGHTING EQUIPMENT
(as adopted in Chapter 153)


Passenger cars, motorcycles and multi-purpose vehicles, trucks, trailers, and buses of less than 80" overall width:
Headlamps 2 white, 7", Type 2 headlamp units, or 2 white 5¾", Type 1 headlamp units or 2 white 5¾" Type 2A headlamp units and 2 white Type 1A headlamp units.
2 white headlamps, Type 2B1 or Type 2D1; 4 white headlamps, 2 each Type 1C1 and Type 2C1, or Type 1A1 and Type 2A1
Taillamps 2 red
Stop Lamps 2 red
License Plate Light 1 white
Parking LampsReflex Reflectors 2 amber or white4 red, 2 amber
Intermediate Side Reflex Reflectors 2 amber
Intermediate Side Marker Lamps 2 amber
Side Marker Lamps 2 red; 2 amber
Backup Lamp 1 white
Turn Signal Lamps 2 red or amber
Turn Signal Operating Unit 1
Turn Signal Flasher 1
Vehicular Hazard Warning Signal Operating Unit 1
Vehicular Hazard Warning Signal Flasher 1

Nevermind, found it... still illegal

[Ajaxus]

looks to be, search again.

edit: we should get a thread going with a list state by state what the requirements are, or atleast where the differences are to shorten the list. make it an easy resource for people prepping for inspections.

[02andahalfgt]

Originally Posted by rickhigginshtbr

I agree, lets wait it out some more.... I'm about to list a stock set just to get the money for these... BTW, anyone know if the reflectors on these would pass state inspection in PA?

Says in the Ebay listing they are DOT legal. Fock PA.

[rickhigginshtbr]

You don't know how mad I was when I failed inspection because of the vinyl overlays with the arrowhead cut outs... and that the rockblocker.com tint didnt pass either. One thing you gotta remember about these lights, they're exact molds from the stock ones, meaning that the DOT branding on them is for the Stock ones.... I highly doubt this guy went through the hassle of getting them DOT approved.

Hey! that's one way to get these for cheaper, blackmail him saying we're gonna send the DOT after him for selling merch that isnt DOT approved! I'm only kidding, please, no one do that.

[02andahalfgt]

It's not like those home made clear headlights though, it still reflects light. I'm pretty sure you'd be ok. Depends on where you take it though. My dealer loved my tails the first time I brought the car in with them, then the last time warned me it won't pass inspection. Which is bull b/c the reflector shines though perfectly when light is shined on it, which is how it's supposed to work, who cares if you can't see it.

[rickhigginshtbr]

But, like I posted, the law states that it has to reflect amber.... what if you put amber reflective tape over it for inspection?

I was at Davis Pontiac in Richboro for inspection. The actual guy from the state was there that day, which was why I was failed. Otherwise they were going to pass me, they loved the headlights + tails too.

[02andahalfgt]

Yeah, but I think that b/c the lights themselves say DOT approved (whether it's just molder or not) you can get through a loop hole. They tried to tell me Silverstars were illegal lights, I showed them the package where it says '100% Street Legal' and they shut right up. Worth a shot at least.

[rickhigginshtbr]

I think if someone is really out to fail you, they'll go as far as matching up the DOT approval numbers and saying that the numbers don't match to the actual product. But, like I said, if someone is really out to get you to fail.

[Grand_Damn]

Originally Posted by fraws

Fell victim to....

Sold for: US $218.99

Auction ended early with Buy It Now.

Ended: Sep-06-05 21:59:27 PDT
Start time: Sep-05-05 20:06:47 PDT
History: 1 bid (US $218.99 starting bid)
Buyer: fraws


My price range....

man..i got the $240 one....lucky man....and congrats

[magyver]

all you chodes should move to wisconsin... no inspection here!

[pyro]

Originally Posted by magyver

all you chodes should move to wisconsin... no inspection here!

or florida

[Ajaxus]

i dont think we have one in indiana, that or im fockin up bigtime.

[pyro]

nope, indiana doesn't have one either. we are the lucky ones.

[Ajaxus]

good to know. hehe

[fraws]

CT nope----

[fraws]

99 00 01 02 03 04 05 PONTIAC GRAND AM BLACK HEADLIGHTS
$216.99
$217.99

Time Left: 3d 14h 51m

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-00...6139QQtcZphoto

[GTLUVA]

Originally Posted by magyver

all you chodes should move to wisconsin... no inspection here!

Yeah no inspection in Wisconsin it feels good to know that I can't get busted for my illegal twinkle bulbs in my reverse lights. Accept I got busted for not displaying my front license plate so I put the ugly plate back on and haven't gotten pulled over again I got pulled over for that frickin reason by a ****ing state trooper.

[rickhigginshtbr]

I dunno, I kinda like PA... I do wanna move to upstate PA where there's no emissions though. And I'm sorry, after two out of three trips to Boston, I can't stand CT. Too much construction and more idiot drivers than in NJ. The last time I went to Boston I bypassed CT altogether.

[Ajaxus]

always fun to have a neighbor who's a lawyer. my last ticket (50 in a 30) just vanished like it never even happened. I RULE!

[02andahalfgt]

Originally Posted by rickhigginshtbr

I dunno, I kinda like PA... I do wanna move to upstate PA where there's no emissions though.

I have family in Hatboro and would rather live there. Plus they got that sweet car show going for them every year.

[CyberianHusky]

If you're really concerned about having amber reflectors just slap a couple aftermarket reflectors on the side. They are legal and work well. And if you really want to go all out and are willing to punch holes in your panel, you can get some that light up. It's a unique look for a 5th gen Grand Am.

[RamAirGT22]

Originally Posted by CyberianHusky

If you're really concerned about having amber reflectors just slap a couple aftermarket reflectors on the side. They are legal and work well. And if you really want to go all out and are willing to punch holes in your panel, you can get some that light up. It's a unique look for a 5th gen Grand Am.

Oh man...I see this one coming....

[Ajaxus]

should i state the obvious? like how we already solved the reflector issue...sheesh!

[Hodge]

i will never buy these until the price goes down, i can't believe his shipping is 45 bucks and then its going for 220

[pyro]

Originally Posted by RamAirGT22

Oh man...I see this one coming....

thats a lot of queers

[DrFabulous]

Originally Posted by Hodge

i will never buy these until the price goes down, i can't believe his shipping is 45 bucks and then its going for 220

Well, there's nothing that can bring that price down. No competition, so they can pretty much charge what they want for it, and people will buy it, because if you want different headlights, you don't really have options.

[Hodge]

if dumbasses don't buy with the price up, then he will eventually lower it. it's called the law of demand.

[pyro]

but the world is full of dumbasses. either pay the price for it or wait a longgg time.

[DrFabulous]

Originally Posted by Hodge

if dumbasses don't buy with the price up, then he will eventually lower it. it's called the law of demand.

Unfortunetly, people are stilling buying at this price. So the price will stay here till everyone that is willing to pay that much buys.

[rickhigginshtbr]

Originally Posted by CyberianHusky

If you're really concerned about having amber reflectors just slap a couple aftermarket reflectors on the side. They are legal and work well. And if you really want to go all out and are willing to punch holes in your panel, you can get some that light up. It's a unique look for a 5th gen Grand Am.

I think I'm more concerned that this guy making a new product is using an DOT number from another product, which may make him be shut down.

[RamAirGT22]

Originally Posted by pyromaniac6565

thats a lot of queers

That's because that statement was very very qeer. Therefore is deserved a very very queer response...

[02andahalfgt]

Originally Posted by Hodge

i will never buy these until the price goes down, i can't believe his shipping is 45 bucks and then its going for 220

That's what bothers me more. I can deal with the price of the lights, to me it's somewhat fair. But after working in a warehouse shipping department for the last 6 years and dealing with all the major shipping carriers I know that it doesn't cost that much to ship a package roughly that size. Even cross country.

They're easily making $15 profit just on the shipping on orders coming as far as the East Coast, and $25-30 on local orders.

[DrFabulous]

^^ Jon, look on eBay at how much people charge for shipping rims... I've seen them charge 200 for it. Yikes.

[02andahalfgt]

^ Yeah I know, that's why I refuse to buy large items like that on Ebay.

[DrFabulous]

Makes my search for rims... well, it makes me cry.

[tenspeed]

It cost me $60 to ship four rims from Miami to NY. It was $60 for rims and tires from NJ.

If the shipping is too high for you, move on. Some people use it like a minimum bid.

[Ajaxus]

you guys shouldnt forget that those are shipping & HANDLING fees. i found that one out when i argued an overcharge on shipping to a seller. even tho its bs, they can hike the price up and use it as the handling charge.

[DrFabulous]

I know what it is and what it covers, doesn't mean it's not insane sometimes.