Whats the best Woofer EVER? - Page 5

Ajaxus · 09-01-2005, 07:25 AM

i was thinking of going with 4 10s or 4 12s for the subs, i calculated that 4 12s plus an amp to support them all will come out just under $500.

MIAaron · 09-01-2005, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Punk0Rama

the size of the woofer doesn't have nearly as much of an effect. even with perfect enclosures (which is what a lot of the record holders are capable of building), the woofer does matter a lot. every woofer has it's limits. you can take the worst woofer and still not win competitions. imo, it's 50/50 once you are at a build level where you can make quality enclosures for every situation.

I believe the install counts for a whole lot more than the speaker. For example, I have no doubts Munsen could have pulled 150's even with a cheapie sub in that wall. I'm also sure he could have hit relativly close to the DD score with any sub that has a stong motor.

Designing enclosures isn't very difficult. Designing the enclosure to the car, and maximizing output is what gets to be a pain. That's why you see cars loaded with concrete, massive reinforcements to avoid the structure from flexing, etc. Too many people look at these cars and say, "Wow, that sub is awesome.", when they should be giving the credit to the owner. They don't even understand that they wouldn't want the car as a daily driver. Sure it gets loud, but it sounds like ass. There is that select group that go for sql and get loud and sound descent, but you don't see them at the top nearly as often as those who go for the burpers.

Ajaxus · 09-01-2005, 07:28 AM

haha, he said "burpers"

MIAaron · 09-01-2005, 07:40 AM

Dammit, there aren't any burping smilies.

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Originally Posted by Ajaxus

i was thinking of going with 4 10s or 4 12s for the subs, i calculated that 4 12s plus an amp to support them all will come out just under $500.

That should be easy with the ref subs. You can usually score those for $50 authorized. If you can get 70% off, you should be able to get all 4 for just over a hundred. Don't bother going for anything better. Sure their better subs might sound a little better, but if you going for 4 subs you can't honestly say you are out for sound quality anyways.

I must be getting old. I used to go overboard when I was younger and I thought it sounded great, but in reality it was just a mid 40hz boomer. These days I'm actually considering to sell my single 12, that I havn't even used, and putting 2 8's in the rear deck IB.

Ajaxus · 09-01-2005, 08:37 AM

i can see where you are coming from. but their higher quality subs also can take a bit more of a beating. and id rather have 4 high quality subs that take years to blow than 4 low quality that i can blow in a few months. if i upgrade then it will be my last sound upgrade for many years, so i might as well drop a few extra pennies.

im just not sure if i want 4 12s or 4 10s. then i need to figure out if im going to do a custom enclosure (fiberglass most likely) or not. the mounting will definitely be a big deal for this, but im going to keep it all in the trunk, nothing visible, because i just hate thieves like that. ive just never owned a 10 so i dont know if im gonna stick with 12s or go down a size to save on space a bit.

MIAaron · 09-01-2005, 09:05 AM

fwiw, i've seen the refs take a lot of abuse. 4 12's in a ga trunk and being stealth is gonna be a bitch. I am doing a stealth setup myself, but I may have to raise the floor due to the space the amps take up. And do a custom enclosure no matter what. The majority of prefabs aren't that great, and usually not that solid.

Ajaxus · 09-01-2005, 09:09 AM

im definitely doing two above the wheel wells, custom enclosure. just gotta figure out where to put the other two. the amp will probably be mounted on the back of the seat, i like the accessibility that provides.

MIAaron · 09-01-2005, 09:27 AM

Try and keep them all facing the same direction or you'll get some funky response issues. If you really want to go stealth then use whatever infinity sub that needs the least amount of enclosure volume. Polyfil will help out a lot. If you use a stuffing ratio of 1.5-1.75lbs/cuft you can use an enclosure 75% smaller than required for a specific Q alignment and get the same response.

Ajaxus · 09-01-2005, 09:31 AM

hm, alright. what about a custom enclosure in a crescent shape facing out towards the trunk? how would that work as far as response?

MIAaron · 09-01-2005, 10:18 AM

That's probably the best you're going to do in a ga trunk.

SofaKingLoud · 09-02-2005, 07:48 PM

anyone heard of the MTX Jackhamer its a 22' sub that takes 6000 rms 12000 peak 23' talkk weighs 369lb's

99GApunk · 09-02-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajaxus

im considering upgrading to a full infinity system cause i have a buddy that can get me up to 70% off. what do you guys think? and what size/combo of subs should i go with if i go with this?

two 10"s, 3 tops

Ajaxus · 09-02-2005, 08:56 PM

probably gonna back it down to 3 10s now...im gonna do final measurements tomorrow.

Metallman56 · 09-02-2005, 10:27 PM

you guys that are viewing this page should vote on my car domain for what you think. and if you dont see what one you think is the best still vote on who makes the best out of the group. thanks guys
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2097068

also three infinity 10s should do just fine. but if you are looking for something a little bit better try ebay for new stuff. there prices are really low for alot of good stuff! you can atleast check it out.

botlfed · 09-02-2005, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SofaKingLoud

anyone heard of the MTX Jackhamer its a 22' sub that takes 6000 rms 12000 peak 23' talkk weighs 369lb's

7th post in this thread

Ajaxus · 09-03-2005, 05:32 AM

metallman, ive done the ebay thing. thats how i got the amp for my current system. but with 70% off store pricing, i think i might find a better deal through my buddy.

MantaGreen97 · 09-03-2005, 09:12 AM

This is the kind of thread that gets locked/deleted on a car audio/mobile electronics forum.

I didn't read through the whole thing, I apologise; but honestly if the original post and topic title were posted somewhere like say the SoundDomain forums? You'd see the thread locked or deleted before you even got 3 replies.

There are many subs that are regarded to be fairly high end/top level (JL W7, ID IDMAX, and several others) but there is no simple end-all, be-all "best". I'm sure someone must have stated this already...

Anyway here is a link to a impartial test done at ICIX Forums by elemental Designs. (Yes eD is a subwoofer company but the test actually did not involve any subs from them so I think it is safe to say it is imparital.) I believe the testing was done with enclosures recommended by the manufacturer of each sub; and they tested in both sealed and vented application.

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15791

Ajaxus · 09-03-2005, 09:17 AM

welcome to GrandAmGt buddy. nothin gets closed around here...unless the mods choose to, but thats on occasion.

Metallman56 · 09-03-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MantaGreen97

This is the kind of thread that gets locked/deleted on a car audio/mobile electronics forum.

I didn't read through the whole thing, I apologise; but honestly if the original post and topic title were posted somewhere like say the SoundDomain forums? You'd see the thread locked or deleted before you even got 3 replies.

There are many subs that are regarded to be fairly high end/top level (JL W7, ID IDMAX, and several others) but there is no simple end-all, be-all "best". I'm sure someone must have stated this already...

Anyway here is a link to a impartial test done at ICIX Forums by elemental Designs. (Yes eD is a subwoofer company but the test actually did not involve any subs from them so I think it is safe to say it is imparital.) I believe the testing was done with enclosures recommended by the manufacturer of each sub; and they tested in both sealed and vented application.

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15791

why didnt they try more woofers than that? that seems kinda dump. they should have tried atleast 10 woofers.
also ebay was just a suggestion you probley can get things cheaper @ cc. all im saying is that there is better stuff out there, if you are really willing to spend a few extra pennys.

99GApunk · 09-03-2005, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MantaGreen97

This is the kind of thread that gets locked/deleted on a car audio/mobile electronics forum.

I didn't read through the whole thing, I apologise; but honestly if the original post and topic title were posted somewhere like say the SoundDomain forums? You'd see the thread locked or deleted before you even got 3 replies.

There are many subs that are regarded to be fairly high end/top level (JL W7, ID IDMAX, and several others) but there is no simple end-all, be-all "best". I'm sure someone must have stated this already...

Anyway here is a link to a impartial test done at ICIX Forums by elemental Designs. (Yes eD is a subwoofer company but the test actually did not involve any subs from them so I think it is safe to say it is imparital.) I believe the testing was done with enclosures recommended by the manufacturer of each sub; and they tested in both sealed and vented application.

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15791

because we are allowed to express our personal opinion on which subwoofer is the best in our eyes, which is why this thread is still open most likely

but we all know the 10w7 is the best anyways

09-02-2005, 07:48 PM	#91
SofaKingLoud Tig-Ol-Bitties AKA: Ryan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lubbock, Texas Age: 33 Posts: 98 Vehicle: 03 Gt	anyone heard of the MTX Jackhamer its a 22' sub that takes 6000 rms 12000 peak 23' talkk weighs 369lb's Last edited by SofaKingLoud; 09-02-2005 at 08:09 PM.

09-01-2005, 07:25 AM	#81
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	i was thinking of going with 4 10s or 4 12s for the subs, i calculated that 4 12s plus an amp to support them all will come out just under $500.

09-01-2005, 07:28 AM	#83
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	haha, he said "burpers"

09-01-2005, 08:37 AM	#85
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	i can see where you are coming from. but their higher quality subs also can take a bit more of a beating. and id rather have 4 high quality subs that take years to blow than 4 low quality that i can blow in a few months. if i upgrade then it will be my last sound upgrade for many years, so i might as well drop a few extra pennies. im just not sure if i want 4 12s or 4 10s. then i need to figure out if im going to do a custom enclosure (fiberglass most likely) or not. the mounting will definitely be a big deal for this, but im going to keep it all in the trunk, nothing visible, because i just hate thieves like that. ive just never owned a 10 so i dont know if im gonna stick with 12s or go down a size to save on space a bit.

09-01-2005, 09:05 AM	#86
MIAaron GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Shelby Township, MI Posts: 584 Vehicle: 2000 GT Coupe	fwiw, i've seen the refs take a lot of abuse. 4 12's in a ga trunk and being stealth is gonna be a bitch. I am doing a stealth setup myself, but I may have to raise the floor due to the space the amps take up. And do a custom enclosure no matter what. The majority of prefabs aren't that great, and usually not that solid.

09-01-2005, 09:09 AM	#87
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	im definitely doing two above the wheel wells, custom enclosure. just gotta figure out where to put the other two. the amp will probably be mounted on the back of the seat, i like the accessibility that provides.

09-01-2005, 09:27 AM	#88
MIAaron GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Shelby Township, MI Posts: 584 Vehicle: 2000 GT Coupe	Try and keep them all facing the same direction or you'll get some funky response issues. If you really want to go stealth then use whatever infinity sub that needs the least amount of enclosure volume. Polyfil will help out a lot. If you use a stuffing ratio of 1.5-1.75lbs/cuft you can use an enclosure 75% smaller than required for a specific Q alignment and get the same response.

09-01-2005, 09:31 AM	#89
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	hm, alright. what about a custom enclosure in a crescent shape facing out towards the trunk? how would that work as far as response?

09-01-2005, 10:18 AM	#90
MIAaron GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Shelby Township, MI Posts: 584 Vehicle: 2000 GT Coupe	That's probably the best you're going to do in a ga trunk.

09-02-2005, 08:56 PM	#93
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	probably gonna back it down to 3 10s now...im gonna do final measurements tomorrow.

09-02-2005, 10:27 PM	#94
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	you guys that are viewing this page should vote on my car domain for what you think. and if you dont see what one you think is the best still vote on who makes the best out of the group. thanks guys http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2097068 also three infinity 10s should do just fine. but if you are looking for something a little bit better try ebay for new stuff. there prices are really low for alot of good stuff! you can atleast check it out.

09-03-2005, 05:32 AM	#96
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	metallman, ive done the ebay thing. thats how i got the amp for my current system. but with 70% off store pricing, i think i might find a better deal through my buddy.

09-03-2005, 09:12 AM	#97
MantaGreen97 GAGT - Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Age: 43 Posts: 177 Vehicle: 1997 Grand Am	This is the kind of thread that gets locked/deleted on a car audio/mobile electronics forum. I didn't read through the whole thing, I apologise; but honestly if the original post and topic title were posted somewhere like say the SoundDomain forums? You'd see the thread locked or deleted before you even got 3 replies. There are many subs that are regarded to be fairly high end/top level (JL W7, ID IDMAX, and several others) but there is no simple end-all, be-all "best". I'm sure someone must have stated this already... Anyway here is a link to a impartial test done at ICIX Forums by elemental Designs. (Yes eD is a subwoofer company but the test actually did not involve any subs from them so I think it is safe to say it is imparital.) I believe the testing was done with enclosures recommended by the manufacturer of each sub; and they tested in both sealed and vented application. http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15791

09-03-2005, 09:17 AM	#98
Ajaxus GAGT - Junkie AKA: AJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Age: 35 Posts: 8,403 Vehicle: '01 Subaru Outback LTD	welcome to GrandAmGt buddy. nothin gets closed around here...unless the mods choose to, but thats on occasion.