Whats the best Woofer EVER?

[Ajaxus]

i made it halfway before giving up. good points tho.

[slapnuts8725]

DEE DEE DEE

[Ajaxus]

wtf?

[Shane N]

Funky Pup > *

[DevilDriver]

i'm sorry, but there is no way that boston makes a better sounding woofer than the W7. having heard 90% of their products, i can assure you that it is impossible. the fact that you are still arguing that the wrong companies were invited indicates to me that you haven't been into car audio for that long, because if you were, you would KNOW that all the drivers on that list (with the exception of the solo x) are big time sql drivers. not just really loud, not just sounding clean, but both. i tried to explain to you previously that none of the companies you mentioned have any driver that is on the level of those tested, but that post clearly went over your head. i'm glad pioneer got an spl record with 10+kw of power and 18 subs (or however many they used) but that does NOT mean that they make a decent sql driver. winning an spl competition is very different from getting loud AND sounding good. now to say alpine is overrated is a bit of a farce if you ask me. the type R's are probly the best budget sub on the market. alpine has amongst the best, if not the best, HU's (although the AVIC's are better in terms of in-dash dvd players) so i don't see where that accusation comes from.

if you're buying a W7 for $1000, you're getting screwed. the W7 will still beat your beloved g5's because it has way more excursion and more linear displacement. the double cone area of the 2 g5's in your example is defeated by the W7's higher power handling and excursion. 130's for 1 W7? i think if you're hitting less than 140 with a 10W7 or larger, you've screwed up.

i'm sorry, but you simply are not going to be able to convince anyone who knows anything that a W7 is not a superior driver. your original post did not ever mention price, so i'm not going to include that, although i will say i would rather get an xbl^2 tech driver for less than shell out the money for a W7. but barring that, the W7 is the next on the list because it is that good and that's all there is to it.

[Shane N]

I love these threads. No one's opinion ever changes.

Listen to as many subwoofers you can yourself, and make up your own mind about what is the "best," because "best" is insanely objective.

Take me for example. I personally think nothing is better than the W7, even looking at cost to performance. JL went above and beyond EVERYTHING. I've lost track of how many patents they have on the driver. It has impressed me with everything it does, whether that be SPL or SQ. It really is an amazing driver.

Next, I hate the Brahma / XXX. IMO, they sound like poop no matter what enclosure you toss them in.

Arguing about something like this is arguing about who's penis is bigger. Why? Because we all know mine is the biggest

[Ajaxus]

Originally Posted by Punk0Rama

i'm sorry, but there is no way that boston makes a better sounding woofer than the W7. having heard 90% of their products, i can assure you that it is impossible. the fact that you are still arguing that the wrong companies were invited indicates to me that you haven't been into car audio for that long, because if you were, you would KNOW that all the drivers on that list (with the exception of the solo x) are big time sql drivers. not just really loud, not just sounding clean, but both. i tried to explain to you previously that none of the companies you mentioned have any driver that is on the level of those tested, but that post clearly went over your head. i'm glad pioneer got an spl record with 10+kw of power and 18 subs (or however many they used) but that does NOT mean that they make a decent sql driver. winning an spl competition is very different from getting loud AND sounding good. now to say alpine is overrated is a bit of a farce if you ask me. the type R's are probly the best budget sub on the market. alpine has amongst the best, if not the best, HU's (although the AVIC's are better in terms of in-dash dvd players) so i don't see where that accusation comes from.

if you're buying a W7 for $1000, you're getting screwed. the W7 will still beat your beloved g5's because it has way more excursion and more linear displacement. the double cone area of the 2 g5's in your example is defeated by the W7's higher power handling and excursion. 130's for 1 W7? i think if you're hitting less than 140 with a 10W7 or larger, you've screwed up.

i'm sorry, but you simply are not going to be able to convince anyone who knows anything that a W7 is not a superior driver. your original post did not ever mention price, so i'm not going to include that, although i will say i would rather get an xbl^2 tech driver for less than shell out the money for a W7. but barring that, the W7 is the next on the list because it is that good and that's all there is to it.

just out of curiosity, how long have you been in the car audio scene?

Edit: and if you get your head out of your ass and reread metallman's last post you would realise that he is saying two bostons are better than one w7 when it comes to price. you get basically the same bang and quality out of the two as the one w7 and save alot more money in the process. thank you, and have a good day.

[DevilDriver]

Originally Posted by Ajaxus

just out of curiosity, how long have you been in the car audio scene?

admittedly, only about 3 years. but i have heard a LOT of different drivers, hence where the strong opinion comes in. heh

yeah, my last post was a little strong minded. it's all opinion.

[Ajaxus]

exactly, if you notice my edit you will see that metallman had an entirely different point than you interpreted.

[DevilDriver]

Originally Posted by Ajaxus

Edit: and if you get your head out of your ass and reread metallman's last post you would realise that he is saying two bostons are better than one w7 when it comes to price. you get basically the same bang and quality out of the two as the one w7 and save alot more money in the process. thank you, and have a good day.

did you read what i put about the W7 not being $1000 and that it will be louder and sound just as good if not better?

[Metallman56]

he is right about the price, a 12w7 retails for $799. they must have come down on it sence i was looking into them about a year ago. they used to be a grand. any way there is no way that 1 w7 could take 2 g5s. have you ever heard a g5? alot of people havent. i am not saying that the w7 is better than a g5! i am saying that a g5 is one hell of a better value. ported the w7 got up to 144.3 db, and sealed 140.7db. acording to this test. sealed boxes are the way to go for sound quality. any woofer sounds like crap at high volume in a ported box when listening to music. i said music not rap. again the bostons would get probley mid 140s sealed. i have no doubt about that. i have heard the w7 and g5 back to back and to be 100% honest the boston sounds cleaner, and crisper. you dont have to be a car audio genuis to pick up on that. my girlfriend who hates car audio even picked up on it. i dont know the excursion is for a w7 but i know the g5 is 3". that means theres 6" of travel for the cone. thats the size of a dollar. now but that dollar next to anthor and you have a foot. between the 2 woofers they can move upto a foot of air. i am positive the w7 comes no where near that. boston makes a better sounding woofer jl makes a louder woofer. i am really getting sick of this damn argument. neither of us are gaining traction. lets just agree to disagree.
i have never heard a good sounding alpine anything. ever.

[DevilDriver]

Originally Posted by Metallman56

i dont know the excursion is for a w7 but i know the g5 is 3". that means theres 6" of travel for the cone. thats the size of a dollar. now but that dollar next to anthor and you have a foot. between the 2 woofers they can move upto a foot of air. i am positive the w7 comes no where near that. boston makes a better sounding woofer jl makes a louder woofer.

the g5 is 3" peak to peak excursion. there actual xmax is 15.5 mm, while the 12W7 is 29 mm. and not all ported boxes sound like crap at high volume.

i'm done discussing this

[Metallman56]

ok you we can drop it but i need to know have you ever heard a g5 and w7 next to each other? answer this and there will be no more discussion.

[DevilDriver]

Originally Posted by Metallman56

ok you we can drop it but i need to know have you ever heard a g5 and w7 next to each other? answer this and there will be no more discussion.

not side by side, but yes, i have heard both woofers

[Metallman56]

thankyou

[DevilDriver]

Originally Posted by Metallman56

thankyou

don't see how that has any real reference one way or the other, but ok!

[Wild Country]

I had 2 12" Image Dynamics powered by a 600W PhoenixGold Amp... seen here and LOVED it

[DevilDriver]

Originally Posted by Wild Country

I had 2 12" Image Dynamics powered by a 600W PhoenixGold Amp... seen here and LOVED it

IDQ's?

[MIAaron]

Originally Posted by Metallman56

perhapes you have missed my piont. i understand that the piont of this test is to find out what the "best" subwoofer out there is. i get it. i also understand that there could be a million difernt reasons why the manufactures didnt send there stuff in. i get it. all i am saying is how can you make a test of something so contriversial and not have everyone that should be there there? you cant! you can say a sony is the best sub ever if all that comes to the test is crap from the 80s. you cant compair subs fairly and not have some of the big hitters there. well you can but would shouldnt title the test "best woofer ever" that is not fair. and who its not fair to is not the companys that didnt partisapate, its us! we suffer from inadaquite tests. what this test is saying is that if i had a w7 or a solo x then no one woofer in the world would be louder. that isnt true. not by a long shot. so i have just waisted a grand for a woofer that i thought was the best that may not be. i am not trying to say they did a ****ty comparison of the woofers they had. its true out of that group the w7 and solo x are clearly the best choice. but from a compatition stance if i go in there with 2 of either woofer and think i am untouchable and talk like i am untouchable, then get my ass handed to me by a pair of eclipse of premiers then i look like an ass. and i have just spent alot of money to find that out.
price does make a differnce! i know the test didnt cover this but why not? your everyday joe probley cant just go out and wirte a check for a w7. just stop and think about this for a second. take 2 woofers in the $500 or less range. good woofers, not crap from best buy or circut cuty. in this case lest take the boston g5s. there $400, and are perfect for this example. if i gave you a thousand dollars to spend, and what you dont spend you can keep, would you buy a w7, or 2 g5s and save $200 for yourself? the w7 got up to what mid 130s db, i bet the bostons would get in the mid 140s! and in a comp if you had 800 watts( i know the rms is 750) going to your w7, and 400 (rms 450) going to each boston, which would be louder? the bostons, and you would have an extra 200 bucks! yeah its 2 against 1, but a w7 is 2 and 1/2 times more expensive, so is it really 2 on 1? in price the w7 still has the "advantage".
all i am doing is trying to look out for the folks that are new to this stuff. value is everything everywhere! and value means differnt things to differnt people. your goal shouldnt be to find the best sub out there it should be to get the best sound for your budget. sure people get sponcerd and stuff but most of us dont and have to dish out are own hard earned money for this stuff. there are too many brands out there to list all cliaming to have the best speakers. to me the best woofer is the one that my ear thinks is the best. not what people in some thread on the internet think. its what the ear and checkbook like. if it sounds good to you thats all that should matter, unless you have distortion. most people know what that sounds like and if you dont its pretty much when the speaker sounds like crap and pops more than plays music. this review is right untill they said the "best sub ever" then its not. i personally am glad someone finally compared some woofers. i just think that it could have been done alot better by more subs being in the test than what 7 or 8. its just not that simple.
wow i just wrote a book. i hope i have cleared all questions up and this isnt alot of bs. just a guy who is looking out for people who cant afford a $1000 woofer, but can still sound better than one.

And Two IDv3's are half the price of one boston, so now why don't we get 8 ID's instead of 2 bostons? They will massacre the bostons in sq and spl, and are still cheaper, so why don't we get them? Oh, but wait, 2 inifinty refs are less than 1 idv3, and we can get 16 of them for less than the idv3 and be louder and sound better... See where this is going? You can never get an adequate price/performance ratio cuz everyones budget/opinion is different. But a bunch of blind tests about performance and sound quality gives you a good idea about how they perform in relation to each other. Pair that with the fact that the prices are easy to find, and you have everything needed for someone to make up their OWN decision. I mean here it is, you start the thread about best sub ever, and now you're talking about how cost effective a sub is??? That thread gave excellent subjective and objective data on a level that is far beyond what has been in this thread. Sure the subs in there might not be someones favorite, and there are no guarantees that the ones in there are the best, but they are some of THE best in the audio scene. Punkorama is right about the level/type of woofers being tested. And I don't know what you read, but I didn't see where in that thread they stated "best sub ever".

Also, if someone thinks having the best stuff gives them the basis to talk like they are gods gift, then they have some bigger issues than car audio.

On a side point, you need to get more familiar with distortion. By the time your sub starts to pop, you are into some major distortion...probably at least 20%. There is a test I know of that will help you quantify your ability to detect distortion. If you test yourself regularly then it will also help you improve your ability to detect it. I'll try to find it and post it up later.

[MIAaron]

Originally Posted by Metallman56

he is right about the price, a 12w7 retails for $799. they must have come down on it sence i was looking into them about a year ago. they used to be a grand. any way there is no way that 1 w7 could take 2 g5s. have you ever heard a g5? alot of people havent. i am not saying that the w7 is better than a g5! i am saying that a g5 is one hell of a better value. ported the w7 got up to 144.3 db, and sealed 140.7db. acording to this test. sealed boxes are the way to go for sound quality. any woofer sounds like crap at high volume in a ported box when listening to music. i said music not rap. again the bostons would get probley mid 140s sealed. i have no doubt about that. i have heard the w7 and g5 back to back and to be 100% honest the boston sounds cleaner, and crisper. you dont have to be a car audio genuis to pick up on that. my girlfriend who hates car audio even picked up on it. i dont know the excursion is for a w7 but i know the g5 is 3". that means theres 6" of travel for the cone. thats the size of a dollar. now but that dollar next to anthor and you have a foot. between the 2 woofers they can move upto a foot of air. i am positive the w7 comes no where near that. boston makes a better sounding woofer jl makes a louder woofer. i am really getting sick of this damn argument. neither of us are gaining traction. lets just agree to disagree.
i have never heard a good sounding alpine anything. ever.

You should delete this post, cuz shows how very little you know about audio.