Cerious Performance Carbon Fiber SD & SC/T Group Buy

[Bouchie11982]

i've emailed Linda about my refund and still havent gotten any word back. I had emailed Will and with no sales and production going on, there are no full time people at Cerious to answer the phones and the emails don't get back to me for like 2 weeks.

[Bouchie11982]

Originally Posted by rickhigginshtbr

Yea, I'm startin to debate about this.... CF SD Hood, or a used S/C off a Colbalt SS..... hmmm.....

hmmm that's a hard decision :P i'd go with the S/C

[rickhigginshtbr]

give them time, they'll get back to you.... and all the s/c on ebay i've seen dont come with the intake or comp, just the unit and the fuel lines / injectors...

[Bouchie11982]

Originally Posted by rickhigginshtbr

give them time, they'll get back to you.... and all the s/c on ebay i've seen dont come with the intake or comp, just the unit and the fuel lines / injectors...

i know it would be a trip but maybe RSM's SC...or look around for local shops that are closer that will do installions of SC's . i wouldn't trust anything from Ebay ...sorry. unless you luck out and someone is selling theirs

[SikMindz]

Well one or two members have already gotten their money back IIRC so just email them again.

[rickhigginshtbr]

forget RSM, i know its a good kit and all, but the SC off a Cobalt SS bolts right up. Plus, RSM is like nearly $3K.

[SikMindz]

Let's keep the thread on topic guys. Anyways, some more from Will @ Cerious.

Originally Posted by Cerious

You're right, according to our suppliers, we may not be able to get any carbon at all until September, it is really hurting our business. I have a source that may be able to get me about 25 yards, but I won't know until Monday. But, if people want the hoods in fiberglass that is fine, the price would be $500 each.

[digitalballz]

sorry fella's but I got my refund today. Im out.

[videoman]

Well as far as I am concerned, I can wait a little while longer , but around the end of april I might be willing to accept a fibreglass SCT hood if the price is right. I would like to have something to show for this summer. But I still would give preferance to a carbon fibre hood.

[AaronGTR]

So this deal fell thru huh? Honestly I gotta say those who got out are probably lucky they did.


A little info... some may remember I had an incident where my hood wasn't latched and flew up and broke my windshield. It was a CF SC/T hood from cerious that I got at a discount because it was one of the early ones they made and the weave was messed up. No problem for me since I just wanted it for the light weight and was painting it anyway. So I spent $800 getting it finished and painted along with my front bumper, and then it got damaged.

Anyway, when that happened the frame on the underside of the hood cracked and came loose from the top of the hood in about a dozen places. Now if it was made properly it shouldn't have done that. First off, they claimed it was 100% CF but it's not. It's a single sheet of CF laid on top of a fiberglass sheet on top with a full fiberglass frame underneath. They made it so thin too that even when it wasn't broken you could push on the hood and it would flex. If it was made properly with several sheets of CF on top they wouldn't have even needed the frame work under the center section of the hood, but it's obvious they just took a mold of the GM SC/T hood and made it like that. It looks exactly the same.

Now for the kicker. I decided to try and fix my hood, and I was going to take out the center framing and reinforce it myself with aluminum honeycomb and new fiberglass sheeting so that it would be stiffer. I started taking out the frame work and guess how they attached the two pieces... silicone! Thats right, they glued the two halves together with clear silicone! That's cheap as hell construction and not the right way to do it at all. They are supposed to be joined with regular fiberglass resin or at least panelbond, or even bondo. No wonder it all came apart and was so flexible. It just had a bunch of silicone dabs underneath it. So basically this is the WORST constructed hood I have ever seen. Since I've already spent so much money on hoods, I'm going to try to salvage this one, but if I was to buy another one right now I'd get the fiberglass one from PFYC.

[SikMindz]

So because you failed to latch the hood correctly, it came up and slammed into your hood and was damaged and it's their fault?

Find me a CF hood for this range that really is 100% CF.

Lastly, the hood was in no danger of falling apart or malfunctioning UNTIL you decided to chop it up and do your "reinforcing" to it.

So I take it you're the resident SC and CF expert now? How does having a full layer of bondo or even more resin holding it together make sense? That's why CF on most applications isn't painted- the added components (resin, silicone, paint, whatever) adds weight thereby defeating the purpose.

Considering you paid roughly 1/2 the price that anyone else would and didn't have problems with the hood until your mistake you sure are nit picking.

For everyone else, I've had the hood longer than Aaron and dealt with 3 other manufacturers and their CF applications and Cerious' piece is superior to most companies hands down. I wouldn't just let any bumfock company sponsor me.

Besides, no one lost any money nor is being scammed out of any money so I don't see the problem. If you want out of the GB 'cause it's taking so long, I've repeatedly said as has Cerious, that they had no problem with refunds.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by SikMindz

So because you failed to latch the hood correctly, it came up and slammed into your hood and was damaged and it's their fault?

No, but it was their fault it all came apart. Like I said, a properly made hood wouldn't have done that.

Find me a CF hood for this range that really is 100% CF.

There are about half a million honda hoods in that price range that are 100% CF and are strong enough to drive a car on without breaking.

Lastly, the hood was in no danger of falling apart or malfunctioning UNTIL you decided to chop it up and do your "reinforcing" to it.

You must have the time line wrong here. THE HOOD WAS ALREADY FALLING APART. The frame was already seperated from the top, so I had no choice except to reinforce it myself. It had nothing to do with me cutting anything out. I didnt touch the structure of it before it failed! My modifications where a forced response to their shoddy construction.

So I take it you're the resident SC and CF expert now? How does having a full layer of bondo or even more resin holding it together make sense? That's why CF on most applications isn't painted- the added components (resin, silicone, paint, whatever) adds weight thereby defeating the purpose.

Considering you paid roughly 1/2 the price that anyone else would and didn't have problems with the hood until your mistake you sure are nit picking.

You must have missed the part about it flexing before it was broken? A properly made hood shouldn't do that. And considering the number of CF parts I've inspected on other cars and what I've read about the process in magazines and books (ever read "fiberglass & composite materials" by Forbes Aird from HP books? I have.) I think I'm plenty qualified to make that statement. Your statement about adding materials and weight just shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. The hood has resin on it already. Thats the nice shiny surface on the top duh. That shiny surface is made but adding a lot of resin and polishing it, so that adds weight. A "good" CF hood has a dull finish because they use the minimal amount of resin needed. Bonding the pieces together with resin doesn't add any significant weight because they are already using resin on both sides anyway. It does add a lot of strength though, which this hood was obviously missing.

[SikMindz]

My lack of knowledge? I'm sure I'm just as qualified as you are making statements about the carbon fiber I've dealt with, the sources I've read and the classes I've taken on composites. My statement about adding weight is perfectly valid- why add any extra weight as marginal as it is if you don't need it? Yes CF is coated in resin and is sealed with it. Nowhere did I say it wasn't.

I'm not going to argue back and forth with you because I know how you are and there's no changing or budging your opinion. My point being is that this hood is no less structurally sound than any other fiberglass hood on the market for our cars. From PFYC:

Originally Posted by PFYC.com re: their fiberglass SC/T hood

Q: What happens if I'm in an accident? Will the hood shatter into a million pieces?
A: No, it will probably split into several sections but should not affect your car's crash performance. This has yet to be tested.

Point being is that neither the fiberglass nor CF hood are any different in regards to their integrity. Maybe you got a bunk hood, I don't know. Mine is perfectly fine as are the 8 others that were made and no one has the same symptoms as yours. And if it WERE such an issue before, then why didn't you say anything about. You never mentioned anything about flexing prior to the incident- I walked across my hood the day I got it and noticed no flexing at all. Your story just doesn't add up.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand.

[Bouchie11982]

ok i just want to throw this in there.....before when the group buy first started i asked Cerious if i woudl need hood pins. they said i didn't.....the hood won't fly up.

but i did get my refund and wrote Will and Linda an email. Hopefully these hoods will come out soon and i'm sure they will look great and please everyone's needs.

[SikMindz]

You don't need hood pins since it uses all the OEM mounting latches/points. Just need to remember that because it is that much lighter than the stock or fiberglass one that the wind will catch it- if you forget to latch it properly, unfortunately as AaronGTR found out.

For the record, for those of you that feel cheated or let down for whatever reasons I apologize on my behalf for hyping the whole deal in the first place. Although I still stand behind my sponsors it just plain sucks about the carbon fiber shortage deal- though I've been waiting on a diff. company's product for over 2 years now. 4 months for you guys....pshhh! LoL Sometimes things happen that are out of everyone's hands.

[rickhigginshtbr]

i'm still holdin out... unless i come across a S/C for cheap

[Grand_Damn]

i'm also holding out for it.....

but about the fiberglass version, does it come colored???

[SikMindz]

Colored fiberglass? What?

Normally you would paint fiberglass.

[Grand_Damn]

i meant, the CP fiberglass hood, is it pre-colored (say white) or primered (or whatever it is) when you buy it/get it shipped.

but it dont matter, cause i'll wait on the CF one

[Blight]

Make your hood pop open reverse like a corvette