super bowl picks - Page 7

MSJHWT · 11-01-2005, 12:00 AM

I was wrong, here it is from NFL.com
18/30COMP 177YDS 2TD 1INT
So worse completion, better yardage, 60 yrds that last drive.

Metallman56 · 11-01-2005, 09:10 PM

this is only his second season guys. he can have a bad game or two. i mean look at Farve this week. he is one h*ll of a qb, that took alot to say, and he had a bad week. it happens. i think big ben will get alot better with time, not worse. although he didnt look too great he did not just throw the ball to ward. he spread the ball out well. atleast i thought.

MSJHWT · 11-01-2005, 09:42 PM

Well, it kind of gets old hearing about how good he is.
Is he a good QB, hell yeah, but not as good as I every media outlet likes to spew about him.

99GApunk · 11-01-2005, 10:29 PM

he isnt that good if you ask me (good yes, but not amazing by any means), not because i hate pitt, because i have seen him play and his calmness is impressive, but his actual skill... accuracy especially is not. decision making is shaky from time to time, but that will come with experience

he still stares down WRs and telegraphs too much

i can only imagine what his completion percentage would be if ward wasnt there

Metallman56 · 11-02-2005, 03:30 PM

he is not the best qb in the nfl. i agree with that. but to take a team to the acf chapionship your rookie year says something. the most important thing for a qb is not what shows up on paper. but how well he performs when he HAS to. when the game is on the line. like against balt. we all said his best drive was the last one. he got it done. winning is everything. if he couldnt perform under pressure i would agree with you. but when its do or die, he just flat out does. remember he is only in his 2nd year. great accomplishments(sp?) are yet to come for young ben.

eric99gt · 11-02-2005, 04:06 PM

i'm surprised you feel that way Matt. In all reality he should remind you very much of your own QB tom brady. Not an amazing athlete, but gets the job done. Play best when it counts the most.

99GApunk · 11-02-2005, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric99gt

i'm surprised you feel that way Matt. In all reality he should remind you very much of your own QB tom brady. Not an amazing athlete, but gets the job done. Play best when it counts the most.

brady i would say has better QB talent, but not very athletic thats for sure, his composure does remind me of brady's. but i feel brady's talent is overrated as well.

i was speaking purely about qb talent, accuracy and whatnot
ben is a good leader and solid when it counts. which is why i still say he is good. but it annoys me when people argue with me about how he is so great

Metallman56 · 11-02-2005, 08:52 PM

oh yes well in that case i agree with you. he isnt too special on paper. but dont get me wrong i think he needs to be a Bear!

MSJHWT · 11-02-2005, 08:54 PM

No Kyle Orton love?

AndyVTek · 11-02-2005, 09:40 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics

Passer rating is the best statistical means to calculate the overall effectiveness of a quarterback in the NFL. This rating is designed based on efficiency (accuracy), turnovers, and scoring.

Ben was rated #5 out of 32 teams last year as a rookie, and is currently 12 points ahead of Carson Palmer for the lead through 7 games this season.

Not good on paper?

99GApunk · 11-02-2005, 10:14 PM

to be good in my book you have to prove yourself by actually throwing a moderate amount of passes over a season, hell even in more than 1 game a year

i dont think its hard for an nfl player to throw 12 or 9 complete passes in a whole game
and for someone who does that to be compared to all other QBs who throw over 20 a game, bothers me

i mean brady is 5th in qb rating but has thrown 119 more passes than big ben, so therefore there is more chance for the true numbers to come through

again, im not saying anyone is a bad quarterback, i just dont like the kiss ass credit ben gets

eric99gt · 11-02-2005, 10:22 PM

very true. I think he's way overhyped. I believe he's a good QB but not in the same class as the manning's or pre sports hernia McNabb.

badboy2451 · 11-02-2005, 11:36 PM

aight well my input...the steelers are a running team, always have been and always will be. The reason ben doesn't throw a lot is because we depend a lot more on the run game to kill the clock once we get the lead. Not to give ben to much props, but he does put up the stats to show that he is a good qb.

i went to the game on monday and i def saw some things that he needs to work on, rookie mistakes that he still makes and stuff like that, and in another year or so, i think he will be up there with many of the qb's excluding manning. manning is a totally different breed of a qb and picks apart every defense that he comes against with the audibles and hot routes...no way to compare ben to that

basically, he def has some rookie tendencies but the leadership he brings to the team and also the city is uber important and will help him even more the rest of the year and into next

MSJHWT · 11-02-2005, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric99gt

very true. I think he's way overhyped. I believe he's a good QB but not in the same class as the manning's or pre sports hernia McNabb.

Pre Injury McNabb was a beast. If he wasn't hurt I believe Philly would be 1st in the NFC.

Metallman56 · 11-03-2005, 08:48 PM

again steeler fans we are not saying big ben sucks. all we are tryin to say is he isnt the best qb in the league as the stats might indicate. i like ben, and i like the steelers. ben is an excellent qb for only his 2nd year. his winning % show that. which is where all the hype comes from. he is a crunch time qb. when it needs to get done he gets er done. thats really the most important stat out there. oh wait its not a stat. but it should be. not just for qb but about every position in the game.

as for mr.orten. he isnt a bad back. . . when he doent play cinci. 4-3 aint bad for a rookie qb. i would just rather see ben, or anther qb with a little more experiance. but i dont think he sucks. infact if he keeps learning i will even venture to say that he will be the best bears qb since. . . wait have the bears ever had a really qb? hmm. i guess you could say mcmahn, but he was more of a "up yours" qb than anything. anyways go orten and go bears.

99GApunk · 11-04-2005, 05:50 PM

this weeks punk pool picks

san diego 6.5 favorites over the jets
carolina, 1.5 point favorites over tampa
KC 4.5 point favorites over oakland
detroit 1.5 point favorites over minnesota
seattle 4.5 point favorites over arizona
washington 2.5 favorites over the eagles

if washington screws me for two weeks in a row im taking a trip over there
i didnt realize i picked all favorites till now oops. hope it works out

MSJHWT · 11-04-2005, 06:30 PM

Dammit, it's better when we're picked to loose! We do better then haha

MSJHWT · 11-05-2005, 02:27 AM

My picks this week
Alanta at Miami
Alanta

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Carolina

Cincinnati at Baltimore
Cincinnati

Detroit at Minnesota
Detroit

Houston at Jacksonville
Jacksonville

Oakland at Kansas City
Kansas City

San Diego at NY Jets
San Diego

Tennessee at Cleveland
Cleveland

Chicago at New Orleans
Chicago

NY Giants at San Francisco
NY Giant

Seattle at Arizona
Seattle

Pittsburgh at Green Bay
Pittsburgh

Philadelphia at Washington
Washington

Indianapolis at New England
Indianapolis

Metallman56 · 11-05-2005, 10:04 PM

i took ten over clev, and ne over the colts. other than that we are the same. on one more note a big HAHA goes out to no ones man T.O. god i hate that little b*tch!

MSJHWT · 11-06-2005, 12:10 PM

I wanted to take Pats over Colts, but the Colts are just playing too well....

11-01-2005, 12:00 AM	#121
MSJHWT Green with Envy AKA: Justin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 36 Posts: 980 Vehicle: 02 GA SE V6/99 TransAm	I was wrong, here it is from NFL.com 18/30COMP 177YDS 2TD 1INT So worse completion, better yardage, 60 yrds that last drive. __________________ ** My RankMyRide Site ~~Representing the SEs~~** NEW Best NITROUS ET: 14.283@ 96.27 MPH

11-01-2005, 09:42 PM	#123
MSJHWT Green with Envy AKA: Justin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 36 Posts: 980 Vehicle: 02 GA SE V6/99 TransAm	Well, it kind of gets old hearing about how good he is. Is he a good QB, hell yeah, but not as good as I every media outlet likes to spew about him. __________________ ** My RankMyRide Site ~~Representing the SEs~~** NEW Best NITROUS ET: 14.283@ 96.27 MPH

11-01-2005, 10:29 PM	#124
99GApunk hockey? yes please AKA: Matt Join Date: May 2004 Location: franklin massachusetts Age: 36 Posts: 2,457 Vehicle: 04 gtp/compG	he isnt that good if you ask me (good yes, but not amazing by any means), not because i hate pitt, because i have seen him play and his calmness is impressive, but his actual skill... accuracy especially is not. decision making is shaky from time to time, but that will come with experience he still stares down WRs and telegraphs too much i can only imagine what his completion percentage would be if ward wasnt there __________________ grand am: OUT! GTP.... IN! (check it out) Wizair cold air intake 235/50/18 BFG G-Force KDWS on 18" enkei zr1's in hyperblack front and rear STBs Last edited by 99GApunk; 11-01-2005 at 10:58 PM.

11-02-2005, 04:06 PM	#126
eric99gt just go for it AKA: Eric Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houston, TX Age: 39 Posts: 1,505 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT Sedan	i'm surprised you feel that way Matt. In all reality he should remind you very much of your own QB tom brady. Not an amazing athlete, but gets the job done. Play best when it counts the most. __________________ Check the rig out here. http://rankmyride.com/?page=cars/view&CID=250 Check out my Interceptor digital scan tool

11-02-2005, 08:54 PM	#129
MSJHWT Green with Envy AKA: Justin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 36 Posts: 980 Vehicle: 02 GA SE V6/99 TransAm	No Kyle Orton love? __________________ ** My RankMyRide Site ~~Representing the SEs~~** NEW Best NITROUS ET: 14.283@ 96.27 MPH

11-01-2005, 09:10 PM	#122
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	this is only his second season guys. he can have a bad game or two. i mean look at Farve this week. he is one h*ll of a qb, that took alot to say, and he had a bad week. it happens. i think big ben will get alot better with time, not worse. although he didnt look too great he did not just throw the ball to ward. he spread the ball out well. atleast i thought.

11-02-2005, 03:30 PM	#125
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	he is not the best qb in the nfl. i agree with that. but to take a team to the acf chapionship your rookie year says something. the most important thing for a qb is not what shows up on paper. but how well he performs when he HAS to. when the game is on the line. like against balt. we all said his best drive was the last one. he got it done. winning is everything. if he couldnt perform under pressure i would agree with you. but when its do or die, he just flat out does. remember he is only in his 2nd year. great accomplishments(sp?) are yet to come for young ben.

11-02-2005, 08:52 PM	#128
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	oh yes well in that case i agree with you. he isnt too special on paper. but dont get me wrong i think he needs to be a Bear!

11-02-2005, 09:40 PM	#130
AndyVTek I just crush a lot. AKA: Andrew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Age: 37 Posts: 554 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1	http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics Passer rating is the best statistical means to calculate the overall effectiveness of a quarterback in the NFL. This rating is designed based on efficiency (accuracy), turnovers, and scoring. Ben was rated #5 out of 32 teams last year as a rookie, and is currently 12 points ahead of Carson Palmer for the lead through 7 games this season. Not good on paper?

11-02-2005, 10:14 PM	#131
99GApunk hockey? yes please AKA: Matt Join Date: May 2004 Location: franklin massachusetts Age: 36 Posts: 2,457 Vehicle: 04 gtp/compG	to be good in my book you have to prove yourself by actually throwing a moderate amount of passes over a season, hell even in more than 1 game a year i dont think its hard for an nfl player to throw 12 or 9 complete passes in a whole game and for someone who does that to be compared to all other QBs who throw over 20 a game, bothers me i mean brady is 5th in qb rating but has thrown 119 more passes than big ben, so therefore there is more chance for the true numbers to come through again, im not saying anyone is a bad quarterback, i just dont like the kiss ass credit ben gets __________________ grand am: OUT! GTP.... IN! (check it out) Wizair cold air intake 235/50/18 BFG G-Force KDWS on 18" enkei zr1's in hyperblack front and rear STBs Last edited by 99GApunk; 11-02-2005 at 10:18 PM.

11-02-2005, 10:22 PM	#132
eric99gt just go for it AKA: Eric Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houston, TX Age: 39 Posts: 1,505 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT Sedan	very true. I think he's way overhyped. I believe he's a good QB but not in the same class as the manning's or pre sports hernia McNabb. __________________ Check the rig out here. http://rankmyride.com/?page=cars/view&CID=250 Check out my Interceptor digital scan tool

11-02-2005, 11:36 PM	#133
badboy2451 GAGT - not so n00bee AKA: Zac Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: City of 3 rivers and 5 rings Age: 36 Posts: 1,426 Vehicle: 99 gt coupe	aight well my input...the steelers are a running team, always have been and always will be. The reason ben doesn't throw a lot is because we depend a lot more on the run game to kill the clock once we get the lead. Not to give ben to much props, but he does put up the stats to show that he is a good qb. i went to the game on monday and i def saw some things that he needs to work on, rookie mistakes that he still makes and stuff like that, and in another year or so, i think he will be up there with many of the qb's excluding manning. manning is a totally different breed of a qb and picks apart every defense that he comes against with the audibles and hot routes...no way to compare ben to that basically, he def has some rookie tendencies but the leadership he brings to the team and also the city is uber important and will help him even more the rest of the year and into next __________________ 20% window tint / Grafxwerks arrowhead overlay with GT emblems / CCG grille inserts / 18" AT Italia Inox with 235/40/18 Pirelli PZero Nero M&S (sitting in my basement) / Intrax lowering springs / Doctor Speed stage 3 intake / Taylor 8mm spark plug wires / Pioneer overhaul: headunit (broken) and 3-ways / Custom headlights with amber overlays / Angel eye fogs / 2 gauge piller with volt and a/f / 2 12' Rockford Fosgate P1 Subs with 325.2 amp (all stolen) / Milzy PCM My FQuick My GAGT Garage

11-03-2005, 08:48 PM	#135
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	again steeler fans we are not saying big ben sucks. all we are tryin to say is he isnt the best qb in the league as the stats might indicate. i like ben, and i like the steelers. ben is an excellent qb for only his 2nd year. his winning % show that. which is where all the hype comes from. he is a crunch time qb. when it needs to get done he gets er done. thats really the most important stat out there. oh wait its not a stat. but it should be. not just for qb but about every position in the game. as for mr.orten. he isnt a bad back. . . when he doent play cinci. 4-3 aint bad for a rookie qb. i would just rather see ben, or anther qb with a little more experiance. but i dont think he sucks. infact if he keeps learning i will even venture to say that he will be the best bears qb since. . . wait have the bears ever had a really qb? hmm. i guess you could say mcmahn, but he was more of a "up yours" qb than anything. anyways go orten and go bears.

11-04-2005, 05:50 PM	#136
99GApunk hockey? yes please AKA: Matt Join Date: May 2004 Location: franklin massachusetts Age: 36 Posts: 2,457 Vehicle: 04 gtp/compG	this weeks punk pool picks san diego 6.5 favorites over the jets carolina, 1.5 point favorites over tampa KC 4.5 point favorites over oakland detroit 1.5 point favorites over minnesota seattle 4.5 point favorites over arizona washington 2.5 favorites over the eagles if washington screws me for two weeks in a row im taking a trip over there i didnt realize i picked all favorites till now oops. hope it works out __________________ grand am: OUT! GTP.... IN! (check it out) Wizair cold air intake 235/50/18 BFG G-Force KDWS on 18" enkei zr1's in hyperblack front and rear STBs

11-04-2005, 06:30 PM	#137
MSJHWT Green with Envy AKA: Justin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 36 Posts: 980 Vehicle: 02 GA SE V6/99 TransAm	Dammit, it's better when we're picked to loose! We do better then haha __________________ ** My RankMyRide Site ~~Representing the SEs~~** NEW Best NITROUS ET: 14.283@ 96.27 MPH

11-05-2005, 02:27 AM	#138
MSJHWT Green with Envy AKA: Justin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 36 Posts: 980 Vehicle: 02 GA SE V6/99 TransAm	My picks this week Alanta at Miami Alanta Carolina at Tampa Bay Carolina Cincinnati at Baltimore Cincinnati Detroit at Minnesota Detroit Houston at Jacksonville Jacksonville Oakland at Kansas City Kansas City San Diego at NY Jets San Diego Tennessee at Cleveland Cleveland Chicago at New Orleans Chicago NY Giants at San Francisco NY Giant Seattle at Arizona Seattle Pittsburgh at Green Bay Pittsburgh Philadelphia at Washington Washington Indianapolis at New England Indianapolis __________________ ** My RankMyRide Site ~~Representing the SEs~~** NEW Best NITROUS ET: 14.283@ 96.27 MPH

11-05-2005, 10:04 PM	#139
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	i took ten over clev, and ne over the colts. other than that we are the same. on one more note a big HAHA goes out to no ones man T.O. god i hate that little b*tch!

11-06-2005, 12:10 PM	#140
MSJHWT Green with Envy AKA: Justin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 36 Posts: 980 Vehicle: 02 GA SE V6/99 TransAm	I wanted to take Pats over Colts, but the Colts are just playing too well.... __________________ ** My RankMyRide Site ~~Representing the SEs~~** NEW Best NITROUS ET: 14.283@ 96.27 MPH

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