Quick review of the G6 GTP coupe (no test drive)

[2003SCT]

If the G6GTP wanted a direct competition motor for the midsize segment..the 3.6L VVT 255 hp 6 cyl out of the CTS would be the most comparable. It would be a solid smooth and reliable powerplant that would be on top of its game. It IS a bit expensive to throw in at this point though...the 3.9 saves alot of money and as far as power output goes is close enough. In reality aside from the LIM issue of past, the 3.4 is a very reliable engine and I would suppose the 3.9 wont have that issue. The 3.6 would be a whole new level kind of engine though. Hopefully soon, we will see a motor like that migrate to the G series Pontiacs. I think the new 2.4 Ecotec isnt a bad base engine though. As far as 4 cyl engines go in midsizers, nobody has anything thats far and away better. Its their 6 cyls that get the yays and the nays.


CHRIS

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by 2003SCT

If the G6GTP wanted a direct competition motor for the midsize segment..the 3.6L VVT 255 hp 6 cyl out of the CTS would be the most comparable.

True, but the goal is to squash the competition like a grape. This is the largest car company on the planet here, they didn't get that way by "comperable".

Originally Posted by 2003SCT

It would be a solid smooth and reliable powerplant that would be on top of its game. It IS a bit expensive to throw in at this point though...the 3.9 saves alot of money and as far as power output goes is close enough.

I agree, but that's why you save it (3.9) for the GT and put the cheap 5.3 in the GTP, smash the competition and still didn't cost alot. Save the expensive DOHC V6 engines for Buick and Caddy.

Originally Posted by 2003SCT

In reality aside from the LIM issue of past, the 3.4 is a very reliable engine and I would suppose the 3.9 wont have that issue. The 3.6 would be a whole new level kind of engine though. Hopefully soon, we will see a motor like that migrate to the G series Pontiacs. I think the new 2.4 Ecotec isnt a bad base engine though. As far as 4 cyl engines go in midsizers, nobody has anything thats far and away better. Its their 6 cyls that get the yays and the nays.

2.4 Ecotec is a great engine. Save it for a smaller car, or make the base G6 cost 15 grand with it. I sure like the 2.2 Ecotec in my Cavalier. 30MPG mixed city and highway with an automatic and I can lay rubber from a dead stop and chirp in second depending on the road, and I just bought new tires. Great for an economy car.

[Exodus]

pontiac does make nice cars but they are not up to par w/ other companies. The GTO is definitely a step in the right direction, but it doesn't ring GTO regarding appearance.
As for the G6, to me its just another grand am w/ a little more horsepower, Grand am looking alot better though.

[GregFarz78]

Originally Posted by Mike3800

Altima SE starts @ 23K. More HP, more TQ, resale value is there, features are comperable.

Hell you can even get a maxima with the 3.5L for the price of a GTP, more HP, more tq, better resale, better features, more luxury. Not supercharging the g6 gtp is a huge disappointment, if GM would've done that and priced it around 26-27k they'd have a winner.

GM did a G6 GTP coupe with a pumped-up 3.9L. They got 270 hp out of the motor. This is a big motor, so all you do is pop in a hotter camshaft with polished and ported heads and you have a 270 + HP 3.9L V6.

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by GregFarz78

Hell you can even get a maxima with the 3.5L for the price of a GTP, more HP, more tq, better resale, better features, more luxury. Not supercharging the g6 gtp is a huge disappointment, if GM would've done that and priced it around 26-27k they'd have a winner.

You freaked me out for a minute there... That's another thing, they should have not named it "GTP".

Yep, a Maxima is 3x the car a G6 is for less money.

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by MetaGTP1

GM did a G6 GTP coupe with a pumped-up 3.9L. They got 270 hp out of the motor. This is a big motor, so all you do is pop in a hotter camshaft with polished and ported heads and you have a 270 + HP 3.9L V6.

...and a void warranty, empty pockets, and the feeling of being stupid for not buying a new GTO for the same money you spent on a G6GTP with ported and polished heads and a hotter camshaft.

It sucks this turned into a G6 bash thread. No one even looked at the positives, just argued on the negatives.

[24VDOHC]

Originally Posted by Mike3800

You freaked me out for a minute there... That's another thing, they should have not named it "GTP".

Yep, a Maxima is 3x the car a G6 is for less money.

word on the maxima thing, I love those cars, they do low 14s with almost no mods at all (intake and thats it)...6 speed maxima is what I want...GM has to figure out a way to make good power without all the displacement...generally displacement = weight, everyone else can make the same power with much less motor (S2K makes 240 with 2.0L!)

Originally Posted by 24VDOHC

...GM has to figure out a way to make good power without all the displacement... (S2K makes 240 with 2.0L!)

GM has the motor, it is called the 2.0L Ecotech. There is nothing wrong with more displacement, as long as the power can be put to the pavement.

What this really comes down to is that you can thank the unions for making GM take cost cutting measures on a new design . For all the little thing that are being nitpicked in this thread .

[Vintalage]

Originally Posted by Mike3800

...and a void warranty, empty pockets, and the feeling of being stupid for not buying a new GTO for the same money you spent on a G6GTP with ported and polished heads and a hotter camshaft.

It sucks this turned into a G6 bash thread. No one even looked at the positives, just argued on the negatives.

There would be alot more positives if GM put more effort towards the product. I don't see it. It doesn't do anything special that the competition can't do and do better, the design is soft for a performance sedan, and features are lacking for $$, and quality is questionable among other things. Reliabilty isn't holding up for it either. I've been reading things for the G6 (GT, GTP) such as creaks and rattles, PCM issues, power steering issues, etc. Initial quality may be there. Long term quality isn't (which I figured).

Personally, i'd purchase a Mazdaspeed6, Suburu Legacy GT, or Nissan Altima SE/SE-R before I consider a G6GTP. The Mazda and Nissan have been on the market for some time now and still look more attractive (inside and out) and aggressive than the G6.

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by Vintalage

Personally, i'd purchase a Mazdaspeed6, Suburu Legacy GT, or Nissan Altima SE/SE-R before I consider a G6GTP. The Mazda and Nissan have been on the market for some time now and still look more attractive (inside and out) and aggressive than the G6.

$28,555... Mazdaspeed6 is the ticket. AWD, 274HP and 280Ft.Lbs of torque, however the V6 Mazda 6 is kinda on the weak side from what I have seen.

Well, I am pleased with the purchase of my G6 GTP Coupe. So bash and criticize to your heart's content.

[2003SCT]

I dunno about Nissan lately with long term quality. All the creaks and rattles and issues they have been having with 350Z cars and Titans doesnt look good. Mazda hs made the RX-8 look like a POS..even the guys at Cycle World who got to drive one for a bit said with 40K on the clock, tons of rattles and questionable things have happened. Plus all the motor swaps they have had to do.

Not that those are related to this car but everyone always pretends like certain brands are devoid of issues. Like Type-S's friends TL....issues up the wazoo. My GA though its not an amazing car....hasnt had one creak or jingle to it...and its got 42K so far, 7 autocrosses and 2 hot laps of Laguna Seca from last fall.

Look at the sales figures of the Legacy GT...nobody is buying them though its a great car...but everyone is buying a Camry. I dont think its power and handling and style that sell a car....look at the Camry. It obviously isnt cool stuff that can sell them...they need to make a bulletproof but watered down boring car if they want to pick up sales. Color them all beige. Look what works in the market...they cant give away GTO's. I guess its market it to 40yr old women or get the hell out..too bad. Its amazing that the Corvette even sells with the 350Z being a way better built car and cheaper....what are those idiot buyers thinking?

CHRIS

[Vintalage]

Originally Posted by Mike3800

$28,555... Mazdaspeed6 is the ticket. AWD, 274HP and 280Ft.Lbs of torque, however the V6 Mazda 6 is kinda on the weak side from what I have seen.

The V6 is not too bad, but it is torqueless on the low end. It opens up at the top. However, the '05 that I drove a couple of weeks ago with the 6 speed auto felt slightly more powerful down low than the '04 I drove a year ago with the 5 speed auto.

[GregFarz78]

Originally Posted by Vintalage

TI've been reading things for the G6 (GT, GTP) such as creaks and rattles

are you serious? that didnt take long

Thats another gripe about GM they cheap out on the interior, my 3 year old econobox sentra doesnt have any of those creaks/rattles

[Vintalage]

Originally Posted by GregFarz78

are you serious? that didnt take long

Thats another gripe about GM they cheap out on the interior, my 3 year old econobox sentra doesnt have any of those creaks/rattles

Yeah, one guy on gminsidenews.com bought his '06 G6 GT in May and is experiencing creaks, rattles, and issues with the electric power steering. Another traded his '05 300C for an '06 G6 GTP (to have a lower monthly payment and well as easier parking in NY streets) and is very disappointed as well as annoyed with the problems he's already having with his car. His is just like Nikki's car, a black sedan.

[iceman]

Holy crap, 2 people had issues with the car.. it must be junk


It's like a broken record around here :

[GrahamKracka]

while i had my GA the cost to the warranty company for repairs over the time i had it pretty much exceeded the value of the car

[Vintalage]

Originally Posted by iceman

Holy crap, 2 people had issues with the car.. it must be junk


It's like a broken record around here :

Did I say that? Never said that. However, it gives an indication of it's reliabilty. I drove a brand new '05 G6 GT last year and I heard a creak coming from the steering column every now and again when the steering wheel was turned. That shouldn't be.

I'm also seeing reports with the Panoramic roof needing repair due to unusual noises.

The Grand am is junk though. G6 doesn't seem to be changing that.