Quick review of the G6 GTP coupe (no test drive)

It's obvious that Vint has deep hatred for GM products(sans Corvette), due to his tainted Grand Am. He is entitled to his own opinion, but the frequency of his same rant is growing tiresome. I think this thread should be closed.

[bigbenSC]

Originally Posted by Vintalage

I But as it stands, it's a ripoff. Like I said, i'd rather have a base Mazdaspeed 6 with it's AWD system and more powerful engine for 28k than the GTP loaded for that same price. However, i'd spend the extra dollars and add the nice options such as HID headlamps and Navigation (can't go without them on my next new vehicle). I'd even settle for a Nissan Altima SE with those features. But since I know a new Altima is around the corner (2007), i'd wait for that. Sorry, the G6 is 3 years too late. It sure looks that way...dated.

When will you all stop looking at GM sticker prices and believe that they actually mean something? A $28,000 G6 doesn't exist, nobody pays that. True price is closer to $24,000. For 24 large the GTP is a very nice car. For 20k my GT is a decent bargain.

unpainted mirrors, a bit of wheel gap,come on talk about bein picky.the g6 is the nicest lookin car out of the competition in its class.the accord is ugly as well as the camry who the hell wants a nissan(pukes).u gotta remember that the g6 is made 100% in NORTH AMERICA with NORTH AMERICAN parts which is why gm has to go with the plastic unpainted mirrors etc.those jap cars are NOT 100% NORTH AMERICAN made, they may be assembled in NORTH AMERICA but most of the parts are IMPORTED from ASIA which is why they can build cheaper cars. by buying a g6 you can be proud of the fact that you're contributing to your economy in a positive way as well as buyin 1 hell of a nice car

if u wanna get picky the nissan logo as well as the toyota and honda are all ugly.pontiacs logo is one of the best looking logos around

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by MetaGTP1

It's obvious that Vint has deep hatred for GM products(sans Corvette), due to his tainted Grand Am. He is entitled to his own opinion, but the frequency of his same rant is growing tiresome. I think this thread should be closed.

Didn't know that was you Keith! Congrats on the new ride. I'm gonna drive one soon for fun. I am going to try to find a MT.

[GrahamKracka]

Originally Posted by canuck

unpainted mirrors, a bit of wheel gap,come on talk about bein picky.the g6 is the nicest lookin car out of the competition in its class.the accord is ugly as well as the camry who the hell wants a nissan(pukes).u gotta remember that the g6 is made 100% in NORTH AMERICA with NORTH AMERICAN parts which is why gm has to go with the plastic unpainted mirrors etc.those jap cars are NOT 100% NORTH AMERICAN made, they may be assembled in NORTH AMERICA but most of the parts are IMPORTED from ASIA which is why they can build cheaper cars. by buying a g6 you can be proud of the fact that you're contributing to your economy in a positive way as well as buyin 1 hell of a nice car

if u wanna get picky the nissan logo as well as the toyota and honda are all ugly.pontiacs logo is one of the best looking logos around

that has got to be one of the most retarded things iv ever read.....hell you dont even know why american cars cost more for less...jesus


go back into your hole

[GrahamKracka]

Originally Posted by 2003SCT

The 4.3L V8 from Toyota/Lexus is only making 290 hp...hardly any more than the 3.5L 6 cyl....and 2 or 3 sec. is quite a bit.


CHRIS

another stupid statment....the GM 5.3 is making....what.... 303?...barely more

coming from someone who owns a nissan truck im not surprised youd say that,isnt this a forum for ga owners

[GrahamKracka]

im a former owner of a GA you dumbass

[Vintalage]

Originally Posted by MetaGTP1

It's obvious that Vint has deep hatred for GM products(sans Corvette), due to his tainted Grand Am. He is entitled to his own opinion, but the frequency of his same rant is growing tiresome. I think this thread should be closed.

You know keith, I could care less if that is obvious.

Why come in here if you feel this thread should be closed? This thread is concerning the G6 and what it has going for it and what it doesn't.

[UNCTYPE-S]

Originally Posted by GrahamKracka

im a former owner of a GA you dumbass

and so is like 25% of this site.

he's a . He will understand

[Vintalage]

Originally Posted by bigbengt67

When will you all stop looking at GM sticker prices and believe that they actually mean something? A $28,000 G6 doesn't exist, nobody pays that. True price is closer to $24,000. For 24 large the GTP is a very nice car. For 20k my GT is a decent bargain.

It should mean something. Again, Camry, Accord, and Altima don't need incentives to sell. Ok, put that aside. If the G6 is such a bargain, why isn't the brand getting conquest sales? Why is the competition pulling in the large numbers and the G6 isn't? What makes the imports sell better than the domestics?

[GrahamKracka]

its not like GM is doing any good with these deep incentive...it seems like its just hurting them really

Originally Posted by Vintalage

You know keith, I could care less if that is obvious.

Why come in here if you feel this thread should be closed? This thread is concerning the G6 and what it has going for it and what it doesn't.

I don't a flyin' F@#k what you think either,Bud. All you are doing here is berating GM vehicles. Read the thread title and you'll know why I am here. There are people who are former GA owners and don't spew the venom that you do. At one time you actually a good guy and made useful contributions to threads. I'm sorry life is not working out for ya.

[Vintalage]

Originally Posted by MetaGTP1

I don't a flyin' F@#k what you think either,Bud. All you are doing here is berating GM vehicles. Read the thread title and you'll know why I am here. There are people who are former GA owners and don't spew the venom that you do. At one time you actually a good guy and made useful contributions to threads. I'm sorry life is not working out for ya.

You don't give a flyin' F@#K yet here you are replying. Hypocritcal. That's what I don't get. You take the time to read and reply to my post yet you don't care.

I'm berating GM vehicles? Please, GM did that on their very own. Check the sales.

I've barely been here these past few months, and haven't talked about the lackluster G6 in quite some time (many months now). The most i've done here is post new threads in autonews. Only recently have I decided to post my thoughts on the G6 because of cetain threads that stood out to me.

I've made useful contributions to this thread. It's just that you don't want to see them. The positives don't get old. The negatives do.

[bigbenSC]

Originally Posted by Vintalage

It should mean something. Again, Camry, Accord, and Altima don't need incentives to sell. Ok, put that aside. If the G6 is such a bargain, why isn't the brand getting conquest sales? Why is the competition pulling in the large numbers and the G6 isn't? What makes the imports sell better than the domestics?

A select few competitors are pulling in better numbers. Other Japanese companies, Mitsubishi with the Galant, Subaru with the Legacy, and Suzuki with the Verona are all outsold by the G6. I think one reason why people don't even consider the G6 is because Pontiac is a brand that many don't regard as a quality vehicle. The average person has been told that the Accord and Camry are great cars quality wise from somebody. Being normal consumers they believe what they hear and buy those vehicles. If they did any research at all they would find that the G6 has won awards for quality. This same argument can apply to the other Japanese cars, they are all brands that the average consumer has heard negative remarks about and thus overlook. The Legacy is a really nice car, why doesn't it sell? It all comes down to one's opinion of a brand.

[Vintalage]

Originally Posted by bigbengt67

A select few competitors are pulling in better numbers. Other Japanese companies, Mitsubishi with the Galant, Subaru with the Legacy, and Suzuki with the Verona are all outsold by the G6. I think one reason why people don't even consider the G6 is because Pontiac is a brand that many don't regard as a quality vehicle. The average person has been told that the Accord and Camry are great cars quality wise from somebody. Being normal consumers they believe what they hear and buy those vehicles. If they did any research at all they would find that the G6 has won awards for quality. This same argument can apply to the other Japanese cars, they are all brands that the average consumer has heard negative remarks about and thus overlook. The Legacy is a really nice car, why doesn't it sell? It all comes down to one's opinion of a brand.

Good point on the Legacy. The problem there is price. That is what is holding it back I think. Reducing the price while maintaining the features, quality, and power is the key. The Suzuki is an outcast in the market and Mitsubishi's styling is plaguing the car among other things. I think both Suzuki and Mitsubishi are in the same position Pontiac is in.

What I disagree with you on is that the average consumer doesn't do their research and simply buys Toyota and Honda based on hearsay. What the average consumer does is drive the superior products and go with that. They want the best that money can buy. That is, the products that have proven quality, reliabilty, and class leading features for the $$$ are the ones that get the customers to purchase them. The problem with the Verona, Galant, and G6 is the risk involved. Will the quality hold up? How many problems will it have? Will resale be high? What does it offer that the competition doesn't? What makes it better?

Is perception the reason why Toyota and Honda acheive their sales goals each month? Well, partly. But that is because they built products that were stronger than the competition. And that holds true today. But what about Nissan? 6 or 7 years ago, Nissan wasn't doing to well but now they are continously improving sales while improving products. How is this? It was the formula that they used. Nissan used power, styling, and latest exclusive technology for their newer cars and it worked to their advantage. Nissan redeemed themselves. So, just like the Japanesse big 3 are perceived as good is the same reason the domestics are perceived as bad. They built that reputation for themselves based on product. That's all it comes down to, product. Meeting the competition is not good enough. The product must beat them inorder to achieve true sucess. Becoming the benchmark is the goal.

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by bigbengt67

I think one reason why people don't even consider the G6 is because Pontiac is a brand that many don't regard as a quality vehicle. The average person has been told that the Accord and Camry are great cars quality wise from somebody. Being normal consumers they believe what they hear and buy those vehicles.

I disagree with ya there buddy. If it was a quality thing or people talking about quality etc... GM would be in bankruptcy years ago.

I think it's 1.Price and 2.Re-sale value.

Most people don't know or care what's under the hood, are easily impressed by quality reports/advertisments positive or negative, but when it comes time to buy, they have to dig in their wallet and then everything looks different.

Some people feel the G6 is a good deal, some think it is too much money for what you get, and some people feel they don't want to keep a new car forever so why lose your ass on depreciation. If they lowered the price even more closer to what the GAGT was several years ago, but without using incentives to do it, it would sell even better.

[2003SCT]

I dunno why stuff sells and why it doesnt..alot of it is a mystery to me. I love the G35 Coupe but they will sell a bunch of them at $40K+ with a V6 yet GM wont sell many GTO's with a 400 hp V8 for $32K...hmmmm

Other top sellers being Britany Spears and Jessica Simpson, Billy Big Mouth Bass that sings, FurBy pets, Popeil Pocket Fishermen, Louie Vuitton bags and the Salad Shooter. When you look at what things can outsell demand in a market, it raises alot of questions. I have given up all hope of knowing what will sell.


CHRIS

[SikMindz]

Originally Posted by 2003SCT

I dunno why stuff sells and why it doesnt..alot of it is a mystery to me. I love the G35 Coupe but they will sell a bunch of them at $40K+ with a V6 yet GM wont sell many GTO's with a 400 hp V8 for $32K...hmmmm

Other top sellers being Britany Spears and Jessica Simpson, Billy Big Mouth Bass that sings, FurBy pets, Popeil Pocket Fishermen, Louie Vuitton bags and the Salad Shooter. When you look at what things can outsell demand in a market, it raises alot of questions. I have given up all hope of knowing what will sell.


CHRIS

Totally off topic but that's got to be one of the greatest posts ever made.

[Mike3800]

Originally Posted by 2003SCT

I love the G35 Coupe but they will sell a bunch of them at $40K+ with a V6 yet GM wont sell many GTO's with a 400 hp V8 for $32K...hmmmm

hmmmm.... could it be that GTO's are limited production? Geee.... dunno.

Originally Posted by 2003SCT

Other top sellers being Britany Spears and Jessica Simpson, Billy Big Mouth Bass that sings, FurBy pets, Popeil Pocket Fishermen, Louie Vuitton bags and the Salad Shooter. When you look at what things can outsell demand in a market, it raises alot of questions. I have given up all hope of knowing what will sell.


CHRIS

Good, cause bad singers and stupid gifts have nothing to do with what makes a car sell.