If you EVER needed help with your GA.. now would be the time that I REALLY NEED IT!! - Page 5

02andahalfgt · 12-19-2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason E

Recourse? What recourse? You paid $88 because you wanted them to fix your problem. You decide they cost too much (which I'm not necessarily arguing with), take it somewhere else, have it "fixed," and then maybe find out their diagnosis was in error? Tough luck, pal. They don't know what you fixed or how it was fixed once it leaves their lot. You have no recourse.

I was gonna say it, but I wouldn't have been as nice about it.

Jason E · 12-19-2005, 08:44 PM

Sometimes, I just can't believe the things I read. I was trying to be nice, while having difficulty comprehending what I was reading. People want to have their cake, blow out the candles, eat it, then b!tch if it hurts too much crapping it back out. Then they want to hold someone responsible because their a** hurts.

Maybe I'm just jaded because I've worked for a dealer for over 5 years, and have literally seen EVERYTHING. Maybe its because I'm tired of people whining about things breaking on GM products, as if imports are so superior. I have news for those who assume they do: Everything has issues. Everything breaks at one point or another. Indeed, N bodies are not exactly the most reliable GM cars...but I'm happy to have one over many other cars I've seen, in terms of reliability.

Take care of a car, treat it well, maintain it, and it will last. Beat on it, and ANY car will break. The only cars I routinely see blowing oil out the tailpipe? Hondas

Beat on anything, and it breaks. Truth be told, I'd take a 3400 with a new LIM over a lot of the import 4 pots any day. Sorry, had to rant

DrFabulous · 12-19-2005, 09:11 PM

^^ I agree, but it depends what you mean by "beat on". If you make sure you're engine is running clean and smooth, you can push it often and for a long time.

12-19-2005, 11:57 PM

I've been nothing but on top of any problems that arise with my Grand AM. I never beat on it and take nothing but care with it. It hasn't treated me well ever since the gas prices when up and I decided to throw the For Sale on her.. shes been giving me problems since. haha.. its like women.. ya love em but they always do something that gets you upset yet you're always back with them again.

Anyhow, what I'm trying to imply is that I paid $88 for a diagnosis.. obviously if that is the case with the problem why on EARTH am I going to spend over $500 to fix such a problem when I can get the very same GM parts for much less and get labor done at no charge? To risk taking the chance that if my problem is fixed by GM with that started being replaced I just threw out a ton of money for no reason when I got it fixed elseware NOW knowing what the problem is through the GM techs diagnosing my problem. You better believe I expect some recourse if that ONE problem that they're saying is causing my car not to work does not fix my problem.. I have the right to whine like a child!

Thanks

DrFabulous · 12-20-2005, 12:10 AM

You do not have any right to whine. Admit that you were raped by GM on this one, and move on.

12-20-2005, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DrFabulous

You do not have any right to whine. Admit that you were raped by GM on this one, and move on.

Yeah, with a ten foot poll.. but if I do find out that doesn't fix my problem.. I will look into it. No way in hell did I pay plus have my car towed to a GM dealership to end up leaving my car there to find out that its my starter and later asking to pay $518 to fix it and then when I get the job fixed by an ASE certified mechanic with the same parts GM was going to use and this does not fix my problem I can very well bet that you and ANYONE else would be extremely upset.

This is infact the case even if I do not get the job done at that dealership but someone else now knowing the information I have learned because I PAID good money for the right diagnosis of what I'm believed is whats wrong with my car.. it would only be obvious that not everyone will end up getting their car fixed at the dealership if they find out its going to cost over $500 when they can do the same job elsewhere for much less.

12-30-2005, 09:40 PM

UPDATE:

I wanted to update everyone on my car situation.. as you all know I had the diagnostic done by GM Pontiac for $88 plus tax, came out to approx $95.. anyhow, the paperwork said the car needed the starter to be replaced but they wanted $558.18 to fix this problem and ofcourse everyone I know said that is NUTS so a very good friend of mine recommened me a family friend who owns a vehicle auto repair shop specializing in engine repairs to get in touch with him and have him take a look at my car because the owner of the shop does very good work and felt bad about my situation.

So anyhow, he said he would do the diagnosis.. I had the car once again towed over and next day he called to inform me that because knowing about my passed problems of the overheating problem from the past with the LIM gasker repairs - my eninge finally gave up which took me by surprise because I didn't have any known problems after the repairs in the 3 months to think this would be the cause. He mentioned because the coolant went into the engine in the passed and the LIM gasket went bad, it was only temporary till I would have a problem again.. internally because the coolant went in the engine, its now causing the ga to knock alot when he tries to crank it over.

He said the GM people more than likely did not even diagnoise my car at all and just assumed it was the starter because he took time to really figure out what was wrong and with the replacement starter I bought elsewhere that was a genuine GM starter in perfect working condition and this still did not fix my problem - he could see that it was much more than that.

HERE IS THE RESULT: $1200 to replace the engine with a used Grand AM engine that is coming off a 2004 grand am with 22,000 miles.. perfect working condition if I decide to go that route.

MY question: UMMMM... Why in the hell should I be responsible for this BS!? Its already enough that I paid $700 just 3 months ago to fix the LIM leak and now I get this again?

Okay, so I already read and did my research that its apparent that its extremely common in this vehicles to go through this problem so I ask again, WHY IS THERE JUST A TSB OUT FOR THIS AND NOT A RECALL!!? SO MANY people have gone or WILL go through this without knowing this and don't even have an idea right now that they will shell down this MUCH money to fix a problem that is already has potential to go BAD AGAIN on them!!! HOW can there not be a recall or a class action law suit? This is unreal.

GM knows full well that they had a bad design of the LIM gaskets.. when they knew this, they should've sent out a recall to fix the problem before it would get to late.. most people don't have any clue whatsoever that this coolant problem is as deadly to the engine as they would usually expect.. like in my case, I thought it needed just a coolant fill up but didn't realize it was actually leaking through the gasket and going internally in my engine screwing the hell out of it!! IF I knew this, it would've been fixed WAY before I had it overheat on me.

Anyway, straight to the question.. I called GM to speak to the service manager that took my order to do the diagnoises and explained to him that it was NOT my starter and I wanted to know about how to get reimbursed for that but ofcourse he gave me nothing but the run around and then had the nerve to HANG UP on me.

I'm sorry, but there is nothing but very dishonest people in the mechanic business.. hate to say it but it is SOO SOO true.

What can be done? I have other news.. I received the vehicle history report from GM with everything fixed under warranty.. turns out the car had the LIM gasket replaced at around 20K miles.. and ofcourse as you all know I had it done just three months AGO.

Wouldn't there be a warranty out for the LIM gasket repair since it had it done for the original owner and then shouldn't it have had like a lifetime warranty for me just like GM said they would give a lifetime warranty on the starter had I got it replaced there?

This is crazy.. I cannot believe this! I've had no car for almost 2 months now and I'm STILL paying the insurance and I can't drive it. UNREAL

I've taken NOTHING BUT EXCEPTIONAL CARE for this car to bite me in the ass like this. I guess bad things do happen to good people... what a crock of crap.

P.S., sorry for my tone in this reply - I'm just really wanting to vent my fustrations.

12-30-2005, 10:00 PM

***As you all can see.. I type WAY to much and really get into what happened, if possible.. can someone PLEASE, with the post above and my passed problems of the LIM repair, possibly write up a short summary in detail but obviously not as long as I've done so that I can use to send to GM headquarters complaint department aswell as forward to the BBB, and the Attorney General Office for review in this case? Possible I might even get in touch with a Lawyer now.. and if I do this, I would be happy to let them all know about anyone else here who has gone through this same problem with the LIM and WE WILL FIGHT GM AND TAKE THOSE BASTARDS DOWN FOR THE CRAP THEY PUT US THROUGH!!!**

atc3434 · 12-30-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by atc3434

Clunking and grinding. My bet is you did lots of damage internally to the motor when you had the first LIM gasket go bad. Coolant in the oil creates engine damage really fast. You overheated it, you had the milky oil, I bet thats when you hurt it, and its never been right since. Get a mechanic that really knows whats going on with it to tell you wants up, and what it'll cost to fix. I suppose you can blame the LIM leak, but not keeping tabs on a car thats known for that one problem... well, the jury is out on that one.

As stated in the very first reply to this thread. Its a bummer what happend to your car, thats for sure. The LIM thing is something to watch carefully on a 3400, especially if its the original gaskets. If you see a low coolant light or overheat, you need immediate attention. Not a bad motor, just one flaw. Plenty of worse designs out there, plenty better too.

GM isn't going to do anything to help you, I'd be really surprised if they did. Maybe if you complain enough, and in a reasonable manner, they might give you the labor if you buy the engine, or something of that nature. Sounds like you just need to eat the $1200 and move on with life. Sucks, but thats really your only good option. Waiting around for paperwork and GM to maybe do something about it is time consuming, and probably will never happen anyways. I feel your frusteration, and I hope things work out.

12-30-2005, 11:56 PM

3 months ago when I had the car fixed with the NEW LIM gaskets and the other good stuff to clean out the coolanet, its been driving great since then.. no coolant light has come on and the coolant has stayed where its suppose to. Car just flat out gave me problems one day that didn't seem to have to do with the LIM situation and BAM, thats it, whadya know.. it has to do with the LIM. I basically just shelled out a bunch of money from what other mechanics have suggested to be the problem by getting a new battery, a new fuel pressure regulator, a new belt, and a starter ( finally, thats the only thing GM said I needed when I had the diagnostic done ).. for what!? NOTHING.

And now, I have to deal with this BS.. is it me, or do I feel like I'm the only one who has taken the repairs for this car and fixed them without full satisfaction of a job well done by throwing all this money out for nothing? I really feel like someone stuck a 10 foot dildo straight up my ass!

Man, I LOVE GM's! HAH, what a laugh.

Hey, heres a good question.. they would've taken my $558, had I gotten the starter from them and obviously that wouldn't fix my problem.. because, MY DAMN CAR ENGINE IS FRIED DUE TO THERE POS LIM GASKETS!!!! Oh but no.. they didn't dare disclouse that on the diagnosis that I got!! And you know what? They would've gave me some BS excuse that I needed the starter anyway and that there is other known problems and probably wouldn't reimburse on the starter that would cost me over $500, am I right?

Hey, if anyone here works for GM and you know you've been dishonest to your customers about their car and made them shell out a bunch of money for reasons that you knew had NOTHING to do with their car.. man, I hope karma bites you in the ASS.

Someway to celebrate the new year.

12-31-2005, 12:20 AM

I don't get something.. FORD put out a recall on their gaskets - June of 2005, why the heck hasn't GM done this yet? I found a website where there is over 9000 signatures on a petition regarding the LIM gasket repair situation that was forwarded to GM.. and it looks like nothing has still not been done but this petition was like 2 years ago.. how could nothing be done yet?

This is the website: http://groups.msn.com/GMConsumers

And the website with the information pertaining to Ford doing the recall of their plastic manifold gaskets: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0..._manifold.html

02andahalfgt · 12-31-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GRocks10

3 months ago when I had the car fixed with the NEW LIM gaskets and the other good stuff to clean out the coolanet, its been driving great since then.. no coolant light has come on and the coolant has stayed where its suppose to.

Pay attention.... YOU WAITED TOO LONG THE FIRST TIME TO FIX IT.

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Originally Posted by GRocks10

***As you all can see.. I type WAY to much and really get into what happened, if possible.. can someone PLEASE, with the post above and my passed problems of the LIM repair, possibly write up a short summary in detail but obviously not as long as I've done so that I can use to send to GM headquarters complaint department aswell as forward to the BBB, and the Attorney General Office for review in this case? Possible I might even get in touch with a Lawyer now.. and if I do this, I would be happy to let them all know about anyone else here who has gone through this same problem with the LIM and WE WILL FIGHT GM AND TAKE THOSE BASTARDS DOWN FOR THE CRAP THEY PUT US THROUGH!!!**

You must be like 16, cuz you whine like a little brat. The BBB isn't going to do anything for you. A lawyer isn't going to do anything for you. GM isn't going to do anything for you. Stop your focking bitching. I just spent way more than $1200 to fix my LIM problems and I caught it right at the beginning before it overheated and before any coolant got into the engine and caused permanent damage.

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Originally Posted by GRocks10

I would be happy to let them all know about anyone else here who has gone through this same problem with the LIM and WE WILL FIGHT GM AND TAKE THOSE BASTARDS DOWN FOR THE CRAP THEY PUT US THROUGH!!!

'Gone through' is the key phrase here. GM isn't going to reimburse the people who have already fixed this problem. And since the gasket design was revised in '03 they're not going to put out a recall 3 years after they addressed the problem and took, in their own minds, the appropriate action.

YOU didn't address your LIM problem quickly enough when the car first overheated. YOU are to blame for not taking better care of your car. Chalk it up as a lesson learned in life and pay more attention in the future.

01-01-2006, 12:19 AM

Let me explain something to YOU! First of all, your typical everyday person doesn't expect a vehicle to have such a flaw that it will actually overheat your vehicle and make it die and cause this PERMANANT damage once fixed if it overheats with coolant going through the engine because the normal everyday person who doesn't read up on this type of problem that doesn't expect to EVEN exist ESPECIALLY with the coolant where its guranteed to not have to be changed usually for 150,000 MILES to drain out through the gaskets and ruin the cars engine from a damn "low coolant" light coming on especially when that same person ( ME ) would go and re-fill the system with more coolant and not expect another problem.. when it indeed started showing the coolant light to often and the car finally overheated ON MY MOTHER when I LENT her the car - SHE continued to drive it anyway 5 minutes later when she shouldn't have but I WILL NOT blame her for something because I should've apparently read up on this forum and find out every little known problem when I shouldn't even have to because GM should know how to make CARS!!! And you would think a recall would be out for something this deadly on a cars engine.. WHY should we have to suffer paying crazy amounts of money to temporarily fix something that'll evetually happen again?

I don't know about you.. but thats nuts, call me a whiney brat all you want.. unlike you, I shelled out $700 for the LIM, and now am going to pay just 3 months later $1200 to replace the engine with a 2004 engine with 22k miles that is in perfect running condition.. okay, thats great and all but I shouldn't HAVE TO pay this without some recourse and GM telling me with the their "diagnosis", that all my car needed was a starter.. and when I got it replaced, I find out my engine is fried either wayh.. what a BUNCH OF BS!!

P.S., you just paid $1200 BEFORE your car overheated to fix JUST the lim problem? Wow buddy.. you got RIPPED OFF! You sure feel good knowing that GM is bending you over and take a pipe straight up your ass, eh?

Hey, those that don't complain and whine are people like you that don't care about your hard earned money and will continue to be passive and let others walk over you.. not me, PAL.

01-01-2006, 12:49 AM

Btw, for a second I want to forget about my whole ordeal with my fustrations I'm going through with the GA and would like to wish all of you a Happy New Year hoping for good things that will happen for everyone, good health, and success.

Let 2006 be a good year we all don't forget! When there is bad.. most of the time, something good will come of it at the end.

atc3434 · 01-01-2006, 07:04 PM

In My Opinion, a typical everyday normal car has typical everyday normal idiot lights for typical everyday normal people who don't know enough to check out stuff on the car. You would think, that if I light for low coolant came on, you'd wonder "Gee, where did that coolant go?" Topping it off once, without looking into it, maybe. More that once, and you're not using common sense. And anytime a gauge, such as the temperature gauge, goes all the way into the red, turns a red light and an idiot light on, and sounds a chime, one might stop and figure out that there is a serious problem. But, there are a lot of varieties on typical, everyday people.

02andahalfgt · 01-01-2006, 09:10 PM

Moral of the story.. Ask more questions the first time around and take better care of your belongings. You're not going to get a free hand out over this problem, so shut up and move on with your life.

Oh, and p.s.

... No, I spent more than $1200 to fix the LIM and other wonderful problems that go along with owning a Pontiac. But I still love my car and I'm not going to look for a hand out from anyone. It was my decision to buy it so I'll suck it up, like a MAN, and take care of my car.

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Originally Posted by atc3434

In My Opinion, a typical everyday normal car has typical everyday normal idiot lights for typical everyday normal people who don't know enough to check out stuff on the car. You would think, that if I light for low coolant came on, you'd wonder "Gee, where did that coolant go?" Topping it off once, without looking into it, maybe. More that once, and you're not using common sense. And anytime a gauge, such as the temperature gauge, goes all the way into the red, turns a red light and an idiot light on, and sounds a chime, one might stop and figure out that there is a serious problem. But, there are a lot of varieties on typical, everyday people.

Period. This can be locked now.

01-02-2006, 04:32 AM

So I guess.. those that received a "free handout" from FORD for the plastic manifold gaskets were idiots aswell, eh? Considering some people decided not to be ignorant and actually complain to make it a recall.

Anyhow, your typical everyday person will realize that there was only so often the light would pop on.. in my case, I would say a total of 3 times before it finally red lined on the temputare gauge.. you need to also realize that I never knew about the coolant problem and how common it was so when I figured to just top it off with coolant, there wouldn't such a big problem considering all the coolant WASN'T even gone.. it was 3/4 full.. I guess a typical person like myself who isn't usto knowing that Pontiac are dumb fu*cks and actually make poorly designed LIM gaskets.. would would've ever thought? And to think that a recall wasn't put out..

But hey, 02andahalfgt,

Just for info.. I'm NOT looking for a hand out - I just expect a vehicle that has been nothing but love put into it would never screw me over like this.. but you want to know something? It wouldn't have if those LIM gaskets weren't sh*it.. I could handle all the other misc stuff that come along with keeping a car in top condition.. the other faulty part was done by the smart asses that overlooked such a major flaw.

You would think even after the car already went through the LIM the first time around that GM would figure out that they couldn't do the right job the second time around and I had to deal with the BS.. and then, AGAIN.

Continue to think I'm looking for a hand out.. but what it comes down to is I need to now replace my engine and I'm taking full responsibilty when I KNOW I shouldn't have to.

01-02-2006, 04:36 AM

Oh and P.S.,

I LOVE my car too.. and that is the only reason I continue to fix the problems when they arise.. its crap like this case that makes me hate the car and wish I never even bought it.

But hey, just like women.. sometimes, we hate them, but can't live without em. hah!

02andahalfgt · 01-02-2006, 12:22 PM

I know you're stupid, so I'll try to keep this simple. GM is near bankruptcy, have you not been following the news? Do you have any idea how much it would cost to fix so many gaskets? Just because it would be free to you doesn't mean it's free for them, it's a very labor intesive job. Also, they fixed the problem 3 years ago by redesigning the gasket. They took care of the problem on their end. Before the car overheats, 99.9% of the time the 'low coolant' light will come on long before so you know something's wrong.
For example, my low coolant light came on, I checked it, added some and 3 days later it came on again. Four days later the car was in the shop to be fixed. No waiting around. Thanks to my quick acting, there was no long term damage done to the engine. That's all it takes, nice and simple and move on with life. Raise as much hell as you'd like, GM will never issue a recall for this problem.

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01-02-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 02andahalfgt

I know you're stupid

EXCUSE ME!? I don't think thats a proper way to go about belittling my character like that.. do not ASSUME anything about myself until you KNOW me personally.. until then, I could give a rats ass what you think or anyone else for that matter.

Now, the reply you posted above after leaving that uncalled for comment was interesting and made good points.. however, I have not kept up with the news of whats going on with GM and don't really care to because I don't live my life knowing whats going on with crap companies that don't know how to make gaskets correctly that evetually die out engines for a simple problem that shouldn't have been overlooked in the FIRST PLACE.

Not surprised though that GM is going bankrupt.. go figure.

Anyhow, thank you all for your insight and your help positive or negative.

Staff: please close this thread.

12-19-2005, 08:44 PM	#82
Jason E SHIFT_Domestic AKA: Jason Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South Deerfield, Ma Age: 41 Posts: 365 Vehicle: '01 GPGT/ '97 30th Z28	Sometimes, I just can't believe the things I read. I was trying to be nice, while having difficulty comprehending what I was reading. People want to have their cake, blow out the candles, eat it, then b!tch if it hurts too much crapping it back out. Then they want to hold someone responsible because their a** hurts. Maybe I'm just jaded because I've worked for a dealer for over 5 years, and have literally seen EVERYTHING. Maybe its because I'm tired of people whining about things breaking on GM products, as if imports are so superior. I have news for those who assume they do: Everything has issues. Everything breaks at one point or another. Indeed, N bodies are not exactly the most reliable GM cars...but I'm happy to have one over many other cars I've seen, in terms of reliability. Take care of a car, treat it well, maintain it, and it will last. Beat on it, and ANY car will break. The only cars I routinely see blowing oil out the tailpipe? Hondas Beat on anything, and it breaks. Truth be told, I'd take a 3400 with a new LIM over a lot of the import 4 pots any day. Sorry, had to rant __________________ -'01 Grand Prix GT Coupe 61k miles, moonroof, 17" chrome AR Fusions -'97 30th Anniversary Camaro Z28 62k miles, t-tops, 6 speed, SLP exhaust, intake, etc. -'99 Grand Am SE1 Sedan (Girlfriend's car) 71k miles, 2.4, moonroof, all stock '95 Grand Am SE 3100 Coupe (sold) '02 Grand Am GT Coupe (sold)

12-19-2005, 09:11 PM	#83
DrFabulous FIGJAM AKA: Matt Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: MN Posts: 9,675 Vehicle: Acura\|Chevy\|Porsche	^^ I agree, but it depends what you mean by "beat on". If you make sure you're engine is running clean and smooth, you can push it often and for a long time. __________________ '18 Acura MDX Kid hauler '15 Chevrolet Tahoe Toy Hauler '01 Porsche Boxster Project

12-20-2005, 12:10 AM	#85
DrFabulous FIGJAM AKA: Matt Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: MN Posts: 9,675 Vehicle: Acura\|Chevy\|Porsche	You do not have any right to whine. Admit that you were raped by GM on this one, and move on. __________________ '18 Acura MDX Kid hauler '15 Chevrolet Tahoe Toy Hauler '01 Porsche Boxster Project

12-30-2005, 09:40 PM	#87
GRocks10 Guest Posts: n/a	UPDATE: I wanted to update everyone on my car situation.. as you all know I had the diagnostic done by GM Pontiac for $88 plus tax, came out to approx $95.. anyhow, the paperwork said the car needed the starter to be replaced but they wanted $558.18 to fix this problem and ofcourse everyone I know said that is NUTS so a very good friend of mine recommened me a family friend who owns a vehicle auto repair shop specializing in engine repairs to get in touch with him and have him take a look at my car because the owner of the shop does very good work and felt bad about my situation. So anyhow, he said he would do the diagnosis.. I had the car once again towed over and next day he called to inform me that because knowing about my passed problems of the overheating problem from the past with the LIM gasker repairs - my eninge finally gave up which took me by surprise because I didn't have any known problems after the repairs in the 3 months to think this would be the cause. He mentioned because the coolant went into the engine in the passed and the LIM gasket went bad, it was only temporary till I would have a problem again.. internally because the coolant went in the engine, its now causing the ga to knock alot when he tries to crank it over. He said the GM people more than likely did not even diagnoise my car at all and just assumed it was the starter because he took time to really figure out what was wrong and with the replacement starter I bought elsewhere that was a genuine GM starter in perfect working condition and this still did not fix my problem - he could see that it was much more than that. HERE IS THE RESULT: $1200 to replace the engine with a used Grand AM engine that is coming off a 2004 grand am with 22,000 miles.. perfect working condition if I decide to go that route. MY question: UMMMM... Why in the hell should I be responsible for this BS!? Its already enough that I paid $700 just 3 months ago to fix the LIM leak and now I get this again? Okay, so I already read and did my research that its apparent that its extremely common in this vehicles to go through this problem so I ask again, WHY IS THERE JUST A TSB OUT FOR THIS AND NOT A RECALL!!? SO MANY people have gone or WILL go through this without knowing this and don't even have an idea right now that they will shell down this MUCH money to fix a problem that is already has potential to go BAD AGAIN on them!!! HOW can there not be a recall or a class action law suit? This is unreal. GM knows full well that they had a bad design of the LIM gaskets.. when they knew this, they should've sent out a recall to fix the problem before it would get to late.. most people don't have any clue whatsoever that this coolant problem is as deadly to the engine as they would usually expect.. like in my case, I thought it needed just a coolant fill up but didn't realize it was actually leaking through the gasket and going internally in my engine screwing the hell out of it!! IF I knew this, it would've been fixed WAY before I had it overheat on me. Anyway, straight to the question.. I called GM to speak to the service manager that took my order to do the diagnoises and explained to him that it was NOT my starter and I wanted to know about how to get reimbursed for that but ofcourse he gave me nothing but the run around and then had the nerve to HANG UP on me. I'm sorry, but there is nothing but very dishonest people in the mechanic business.. hate to say it but it is SOO SOO true. What can be done? I have other news.. I received the vehicle history report from GM with everything fixed under warranty.. turns out the car had the LIM gasket replaced at around 20K miles.. and ofcourse as you all know I had it done just three months AGO. Wouldn't there be a warranty out for the LIM gasket repair since it had it done for the original owner and then shouldn't it have had like a lifetime warranty for me just like GM said they would give a lifetime warranty on the starter had I got it replaced there? This is crazy.. I cannot believe this! I've had no car for almost 2 months now and I'm STILL paying the insurance and I can't drive it. UNREAL I've taken NOTHING BUT EXCEPTIONAL CARE for this car to bite me in the ass like this. I guess bad things do happen to good people... what a crock of crap. P.S., sorry for my tone in this reply - I'm just really wanting to vent my fustrations. Last edited by GRocks10; 12-30-2005 at 10:00 PM.

12-30-2005, 11:56 PM	#90
GRocks10 Guest Posts: n/a	3 months ago when I had the car fixed with the NEW LIM gaskets and the other good stuff to clean out the coolanet, its been driving great since then.. no coolant light has come on and the coolant has stayed where its suppose to. Car just flat out gave me problems one day that didn't seem to have to do with the LIM situation and BAM, thats it, whadya know.. it has to do with the LIM. I basically just shelled out a bunch of money from what other mechanics have suggested to be the problem by getting a new battery, a new fuel pressure regulator, a new belt, and a starter ( finally, thats the only thing GM said I needed when I had the diagnostic done ).. for what!? NOTHING. And now, I have to deal with this BS.. is it me, or do I feel like I'm the only one who has taken the repairs for this car and fixed them without full satisfaction of a job well done by throwing all this money out for nothing? I really feel like someone stuck a 10 foot dildo straight up my ass! Man, I LOVE GM's! HAH, what a laugh. Hey, heres a good question.. they would've taken my $558, had I gotten the starter from them and obviously that wouldn't fix my problem.. because, MY DAMN CAR ENGINE IS FRIED DUE TO THERE POS LIM GASKETS!!!! Oh but no.. they didn't dare disclouse that on the diagnosis that I got!! And you know what? They would've gave me some BS excuse that I needed the starter anyway and that there is other known problems and probably wouldn't reimburse on the starter that would cost me over $500, am I right? Hey, if anyone here works for GM and you know you've been dishonest to your customers about their car and made them shell out a bunch of money for reasons that you knew had NOTHING to do with their car.. man, I hope karma bites you in the ASS. Someway to celebrate the new year. Last edited by GRocks10; 12-31-2005 at 12:05 AM.

12-19-2005, 11:57 PM	#84
GRocks10 Guest Posts: n/a	I've been nothing but on top of any problems that arise with my Grand AM. I never beat on it and take nothing but care with it. It hasn't treated me well ever since the gas prices when up and I decided to throw the For Sale on her.. shes been giving me problems since. haha.. its like women.. ya love em but they always do something that gets you upset yet you're always back with them again. Anyhow, what I'm trying to imply is that I paid $88 for a diagnosis.. obviously if that is the case with the problem why on EARTH am I going to spend over $500 to fix such a problem when I can get the very same GM parts for much less and get labor done at no charge? To risk taking the chance that if my problem is fixed by GM with that started being replaced I just threw out a ton of money for no reason when I got it fixed elseware NOW knowing what the problem is through the GM techs diagnosing my problem. You better believe I expect some recourse if that ONE problem that they're saying is causing my car not to work does not fix my problem.. I have the right to whine like a child! Thanks

12-30-2005, 10:00 PM	#88
GRocks10 Guest Posts: n/a	*As you all can see.. I type WAY to much and really get into what happened, if possible.. can someone PLEASE, with the post above and my passed problems of the LIM repair, possibly write up a short summary in detail but obviously not as long as I've done so that I can use to send to GM headquarters complaint department aswell as forward to the BBB, and the Attorney General Office for review in this case? Possible I might even get in touch with a Lawyer now.. and if I do this, I would be happy to let them all know about anyone else here who has gone through this same problem with the LIM and WE WILL FIGHT GM AND TAKE THOSE BASTARDS DOWN FOR THE CRAP THEY PUT US THROUGH!!!

12-31-2005, 12:20 AM	#91
GRocks10 Guest Posts: n/a	I don't get something.. FORD put out a recall on their gaskets - June of 2005, why the heck hasn't GM done this yet? I found a website where there is over 9000 signatures on a petition regarding the LIM gasket repair situation that was forwarded to GM.. and it looks like nothing has still not been done but this petition was like 2 years ago.. how could nothing be done yet? This is the website: http://groups.msn.com/GMConsumers And the website with the information pertaining to Ford doing the recall of their plastic manifold gaskets: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0..._manifold.html Last edited by GRocks10; 12-31-2005 at 12:24 AM.

01-01-2006, 12:19 AM	#93
GRocks10 Guest Posts: n/a	Let me explain something to YOU! First of all, your typical everyday person doesn't expect a vehicle to have such a flaw that it will actually overheat your vehicle and make it die and cause this PERMANANT damage once fixed if it overheats with coolant going through the engine because the normal everyday person who doesn't read up on this type of problem that doesn't expect to EVEN exist ESPECIALLY with the coolant where its guranteed to not have to be changed usually for 150,000 MILES to drain out through the gaskets and ruin the cars engine from a damn "low coolant" light coming on especially when that same person ( ME ) would go and re-fill the system with more coolant and not expect another problem.. when it indeed started showing the coolant light to often and the car finally overheated ON MY MOTHER when I LENT her the car - SHE continued to drive it anyway 5 minutes later when she shouldn't have but I WILL NOT blame her for something because I should've apparently read up on this forum and find out every little known problem when I shouldn't even have to because GM should know how to make CARS!!! And you would think a recall would be out for something this deadly on a cars engine.. WHY should we have to suffer paying crazy amounts of money to temporarily fix something that'll evetually happen again? I don't know about you.. but thats nuts, call me a whiney brat all you want.. unlike you, I shelled out $700 for the LIM, and now am going to pay just 3 months later $1200 to replace the engine with a 2004 engine with 22k miles that is in perfect running condition.. okay, thats great and all but I shouldn't HAVE TO pay this without some recourse and GM telling me with the their "diagnosis", that all my car needed was a starter.. and when I got it replaced, I find out my engine is fried either wayh.. what a BUNCH OF BS!! P.S., you just paid $1200 BEFORE your car overheated to fix JUST the lim problem? Wow buddy.. you got RIPPED OFF! You sure feel good knowing that GM is bending you over and take a pipe straight up your ass, eh? Hey, those that don't complain and whine are people like you that don't care about your hard earned money and will continue to be passive and let others walk over you.. not me, PAL.

01-01-2006, 12:49 AM	#94
GRocks10 Guest Posts: n/a	Btw, for a second I want to forget about my whole ordeal with my fustrations I'm going through with the GA and would like to wish all of you a Happy New Year hoping for good things that will happen for everyone, good health, and success. Let 2006 be a good year we all don't forget! When there is bad.. most of the time, something good will come of it at the end.

01-01-2006, 07:04 PM	#95
atc3434 Grand Am Again AKA: Andrew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auburn, NY Age: 38 Posts: 1,999 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	In My Opinion, a typical everyday normal car has typical everyday normal idiot lights for typical everyday normal people who don't know enough to check out stuff on the car. You would think, that if I light for low coolant came on, you'd wonder "Gee, where did that coolant go?" Topping it off once, without looking into it, maybe. More that once, and you're not using common sense. And anytime a gauge, such as the temperature gauge, goes all the way into the red, turns a red light and an idiot light on, and sounds a chime, one might stop and figure out that there is a serious problem. But, there are a lot of varieties on typical, everyday people. __________________ 1999 Grand Am SE2 - Blue, TOG Headers, SLP Exhaust, DHP - SOLD 1996 Vert' Z-28 - M6, magnaflow muffler-back, K&N FIPK, Hurst Short-throw - 13.6 @ 103mph. 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona - Go Mango Orange #2832 of 4000. Tune/exhaust. 14.009@97mph. 2002 Saab 9 5 Aero Wagon - 3" turboback/tune. 17psi of sleeper fun just waiting to surprise you.

01-02-2006, 04:32 AM	#97
GRocks10 Guest Posts: n/a	So I guess.. those that received a "free handout" from FORD for the plastic manifold gaskets were idiots aswell, eh? Considering some people decided not to be ignorant and actually complain to make it a recall. Anyhow, your typical everyday person will realize that there was only so often the light would pop on.. in my case, I would say a total of 3 times before it finally red lined on the temputare gauge.. you need to also realize that I never knew about the coolant problem and how common it was so when I figured to just top it off with coolant, there wouldn't such a big problem considering all the coolant WASN'T even gone.. it was 3/4 full.. I guess a typical person like myself who isn't usto knowing that Pontiac are dumb fucks and actually make poorly designed LIM gaskets.. would would've ever thought? And to think that a recall wasn't put out.. But hey, 02andahalfgt, Just for info.. I'm NOT looking for a hand out - I just expect a vehicle that has been nothing but love put into it would never screw me over like this.. but you want to know something? It wouldn't have if those LIM gaskets weren't shit.. I could handle all the other misc stuff that come along with keeping a car in top condition.. the other faulty part was done by the smart asses that overlooked such a major flaw. You would think even after the car already went through the LIM the first time around that GM would figure out that they couldn't do the right job the second time around and I had to deal with the BS.. and then, AGAIN. Continue to think I'm looking for a hand out.. but what it comes down to is I need to now replace my engine and I'm taking full responsibilty when I KNOW I shouldn't have to.

01-02-2006, 04:36 AM	#98
GRocks10 Guest Posts: n/a	Oh and P.S., I LOVE my car too.. and that is the only reason I continue to fix the problems when they arise.. its crap like this case that makes me hate the car and wish I never even bought it. But hey, just like women.. sometimes, we hate them, but can't live without em. hah! Last edited by GRocks10; 01-02-2006 at 04:38 AM.

01-02-2006, 12:22 PM	#99
02andahalfgt Camaro Junkie AKA: Jon Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orefield, PA Age: 39 Posts: 3,638 Vehicle: 06 Jeep/10 Camaro SSRS	I know you're stupid, so I'll try to keep this simple. GM is near bankruptcy, have you not been following the news? Do you have any idea how much it would cost to fix so many gaskets? Just because it would be free to you doesn't mean it's free for them, it's a very labor intesive job. Also, they fixed the problem 3 years ago by redesigning the gasket. They took care of the problem on their end. Before the car overheats, 99.9% of the time the 'low coolant' light will come on long before so you know something's wrong. For example, my low coolant light came on, I checked it, added some and 3 days later it came on again. Four days later the car was in the shop to be fixed. No waiting around. Thanks to my quick acting, there was no long term damage done to the engine. That's all it takes, nice and simple and move on with life. Raise as much hell as you'd like, GM will never issue a recall for this problem. x100000000000000000000000000000000