TOG Headers Installed (Plus dyno results!) - Page 8

Schweppe23 · 09-11-2002, 08:54 AM

Can these headers be used with my Randomtech hi-flow cat/downpipe.

Pat Lavanty

mfuller · 09-11-2002, 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by Schweppe23
Can these headers be used with my Randomtech hi-flow cat/downpipe.

Pat Lavanty

Nope. I will probably cut mine and weld up the RT cat to TOG's downpipe (it actually terminates in a flexpipe); I want to keep the RT cat since it comes with the secondary O2 bung, and the flange bolted right up to my Borla....if I bought a new cat, I'd need to source a new flange to bolt up to the cat-back as well as getting a rear )2 sensor fitting....too much of a headache.

aleroboy · 09-11-2002, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by black99gt

Edit: Dyno and Times are a different story tho. Although this MAY provide 18whp, this might only make .1-.3tenths off at the track.

Cant wait to see the track results.

Well the Tb and CAI added 6hp and 8 ft lbs and gained 4 tenths at the track because the power was added all accross like the headers do. but since torque is maintaned longer with the headers, track times could be more impressive than the dyno sheet.

If the track is open this sunday I'll be there and I'll do runs with and with out nitrous.

I'll try to get a before time slip and then slips of this sunday.

black99gt · 09-11-2002, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by aleroboy

Well the Tb and CAI added 6hp and 8 ft lbs and gained 4 tenths at the track because the power was added all accross like the headers do. but since torque is maintaned longer with the headers, track times could be more impressive than the dyno sheet.

If the track is open this sunday I'll be there and I'll do runs with and with out nitrous.

I'll try to get a before time slip and then slips of this sunday.

Big Pimpin'

I like #'s

Drew99GT · 09-11-2002, 12:50 PM

Hey AleroBoy, awesome results. I'm in the Springs, could I stop by and check your ride out sometime? What kind of times are you pulling here? Do you go to Bandimere or PMI? I've run a best of 16.5 @ 83mph at PMI, pretty weak, but enough to spoil a few Civic owners pride

Anyhow, nice job. I'm heading to Bandimere today for test and tune, you should head up there if you can, starts at 4:30. Pray for no rain

Drew99GT · 09-11-2002, 12:51 PM

By the way, is PMI still doing Friday night drags?

aleroboy · 09-11-2002, 02:24 PM

My best was 16.4 with bad traction at PMI. I'd go to Bandi but I have to get a bunch of intakes out. I'll be out htis weekend if you want to meet up.
I'm always arround. Just drop me a line.

Oh and friday nights quit over a month ago

GTManiac · 09-11-2002, 02:39 PM

INTAKES!!!!

YAY!!!

Knappy1 · 09-11-2002, 06:18 PM

Those are some pretty impressive numbers...

09-12-2002, 07:33 PM

So hey were those dyno numbers with just the TOG headers or were there other mods on that car?

mfuller · 09-13-2002, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by DuBri
So hey were those dyno numbers with just the TOG headers or were there other mods on that car?

He has other modifications done to his car, so headers alone won't yield 175HP at the wheels, but he did compare two runs (showing a 18HP difference), with the only change between runs being the addition of headers.

nfsga · 09-13-2002, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by mfuller

with the only change between runs being the addition of headers.

and a high flow cat

aleroboy · 09-13-2002, 11:02 AM

Actually it wasn't but the cat was tracked before the runs and yelded no difference in times. the biggest gain form the RT cat is form the larger down pipe. Also TOG said some of the biggest gains form their headers were with stock cats so mine very well could be hurting performance. but I doubt it.

09-13-2002, 11:33 AM

Do the headers hook right up to the stock cat pipe
or is cutting and welding involved?

aleroboy · 09-13-2002, 12:04 PM

Cutting and welding is involved. You cut rignt in fron of the stock cat and weld up the new flex pipe.

SteveGT1 · 09-16-2002, 02:31 PM

I just read 11 pages and my congrats go out to aleroboy, it seems nobody is "talking" now that the numbers back up his inital responce....good job bro

Vegeta · 09-16-2002, 02:56 PM

Im not talking cause its pointless. We dont have anything else to compare his results too, nor a stock vehicle tested to see what the gains are there. No point in beating a dead horse right.

aleroboy · 09-16-2002, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Vegeta
Im not talking cause its pointless. We dont have anything else to compare his results too, nor a stock vehicle tested to see what the gains are there. No point in beating a dead horse right.

A stock vehicle was tested by magnacharger but they won't release the dyno run.
It also gained 18hp but more torque than me. But the rest of my exhaust could cause that. I dunno.
True though it is pretty much a dead horse. The headers do add power. But if what you say is true about the design I'm curious to see what a set built the way you say would do. If they were equal length and shaped to the head how much more do you think would be gained if I got 19 from somthing like this?

kinda makes me wonder.

RGAGT · 09-16-2002, 05:21 PM

can't Believe that this thread is 32 pages long but i'm adding to that Looking at the pics you won't beable to use a supercharger or Turbo with the headers

Vegeta · 09-16-2002, 05:47 PM

Well I dont know if anyone will ever build a set of equal length heads cause its not gonna be me. If I had a 3400 I would do it, but I have the DOHC. I know of one person who might do it but its a wait and see deal. 18 hp is nice already so really the cost is the only issue I see for TOG right now. Your automatic is likely in the way for equal length as well cause the rear head will require 3 pipes running down and back for a while before the collector.

09-11-2002, 08:54 AM	#141
Schweppe23 GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Age: 41 Posts: 1,549 Vehicle: Pontiac	Can these headers be used with my Randomtech hi-flow cat/downpipe. Pat Lavanty __________________ First 99+ GAGT to run 14s First E/M (only) GA to run 13s First turbo'D GAGT to run 12s 11's coming soon

09-16-2002, 02:31 PM	#156
SteveGT1 GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 42 Posts: 190 Vehicle: 2001 GAGT Coupe	I just read 11 pages and my congrats go out to aleroboy, it seems nobody is "talking" now that the numbers back up his inital responce....good job bro __________________ http://www.n-body.net/registry/stevegt1/

09-16-2002, 02:56 PM	#157
Vegeta WOT-Tech AKA: Ben Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indiana Age: 42 Posts: 1,089 Vehicle: 1999 Alero	Im not talking cause its pointless. We dont have anything else to compare his results too, nor a stock vehicle tested to see what the gains are there. No point in beating a dead horse right. __________________ Ben Wide Open Throttle Technologies 60DegreeV6.com

09-16-2002, 05:47 PM	#160
Vegeta WOT-Tech AKA: Ben Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indiana Age: 42 Posts: 1,089 Vehicle: 1999 Alero	Well I dont know if anyone will ever build a set of equal length heads cause its not gonna be me. If I had a 3400 I would do it, but I have the DOHC. I know of one person who might do it but its a wait and see deal. 18 hp is nice already so really the cost is the only issue I see for TOG right now. Your automatic is likely in the way for equal length as well cause the rear head will require 3 pipes running down and back for a while before the collector. __________________ Ben Wide Open Throttle Technologies 60DegreeV6.com

09-11-2002, 12:50 PM	#145
Drew99GT GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Age: 41 Posts: 111 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT Coupe	Hey AleroBoy, awesome results. I'm in the Springs, could I stop by and check your ride out sometime? What kind of times are you pulling here? Do you go to Bandimere or PMI? I've run a best of 16.5 @ 83mph at PMI, pretty weak, but enough to spoil a few Civic owners pride Anyhow, nice job. I'm heading to Bandimere today for test and tune, you should head up there if you can, starts at 4:30. Pray for no rain

09-11-2002, 12:51 PM	#146
Drew99GT GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Age: 41 Posts: 111 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT Coupe	By the way, is PMI still doing Friday night drags?

09-11-2002, 02:24 PM	#147
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	My best was 16.4 with bad traction at PMI. I'd go to Bandi but I have to get a bunch of intakes out. I'll be out htis weekend if you want to meet up. I'm always arround. Just drop me a line. Oh and friday nights quit over a month ago

09-11-2002, 02:39 PM	#148
GTManiac GDC is here Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sterling Heights, MI Age: 40 Posts: 439 Vehicle: Yo	INTAKES!!!! YAY!!!

09-11-2002, 06:18 PM	#149
Knappy1 V6ONPSI Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 373 Vehicle: 2002 SC GT1	Those are some pretty impressive numbers...

09-12-2002, 07:33 PM	#150
DuBri Guest Posts: n/a	So hey were those dyno numbers with just the TOG headers or were there other mods on that car?

09-13-2002, 11:02 AM	#153
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	Actually it wasn't but the cat was tracked before the runs and yelded no difference in times. the biggest gain form the RT cat is form the larger down pipe. Also TOG said some of the biggest gains form their headers were with stock cats so mine very well could be hurting performance. but I doubt it.

09-13-2002, 11:33 AM	#154
AROD2000 Guest Posts: n/a	Do the headers hook right up to the stock cat pipe or is cutting and welding involved?

09-13-2002, 12:04 PM	#155
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	Cutting and welding is involved. You cut rignt in fron of the stock cat and weld up the new flex pipe.

09-16-2002, 05:21 PM	#159
RGAGT GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calgary/Alberta Age: 51 Posts: 151	can't Believe that this thread is 32 pages long but i'm adding to that Looking at the pics you won't beable to use a supercharger or Turbo with the headers