TOG Headers Installed (Plus dyno results!) - Page 9

aleroboy · 09-16-2002, 06:18 PM

The 2 problems I had were with the stock exhaust gaskets and the o2 extension.
both of which TOG is working out.
99-200 use one type of plug and the 01 02 use a different type.
The original car used was a 99 or 00 so the harness didn't work right on my 01. but now TOG has both styles.
also the exhaust manifold gaskets had to be modded to fit. but now all the headers come with a set of new gaskets that are met for the headers.

Also it threw a code about the cat, but after clearing that code it never came back. And just this saturday we had the tech 2 on it and had no codes about anything.

aleroboy · 09-16-2002, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by RGAGT
can't Believe that this thread is 32 pages long but i'm adding to that Looking at the pics you won't beable to use a supercharger or Turbo with the headers

Actually the magnacharger was test fit with the headers and is fine.

Watch4MyBu · 09-16-2002, 07:29 PM

Why would you not be able to run a supercharger. It doesn't fit to the exhaust at all. I want the rsm supercharger as well as the headers. Will the drive shaft of the vortech supercharger interfere with the headers

RGAGT · 09-16-2002, 07:30 PM

good to know Aleroboy, I was wondering also why by the pic anyways looks like the header on the Front Runs on top of the motor past the intake to the back i could be wrong If this is so Why could they not just have it the Same Route as the Factory

bszopi · 09-16-2002, 08:52 PM

Hmm... just thought of something. Anyone ever see John mention anything about issues with the knock sensor? Nope, don't think so. Gee, I guess those GM "engineers" who said that a 3400 will never be able to have headers because it will throw a code for the KS are pretty much, well... wrong!

Hmm... so, all of those people out there (and yes, there were alot of you) who kept bringing up the KS issue because Spoon or Fork, or whichever GM Engineer, said it wouldn't work... what do you have to say now? I guess all that time when I kept saying that you won't have KS issues, I was just talking out my ass because it "hadn't been done on a 3400".

Vegeta · 09-16-2002, 08:53 PM

I completely forgot about that one. Of course I dont listen to those guys anyway.

aleroboy · 09-16-2002, 09:04 PM

Yea I was looking forwad to proving him wrong.
And now he won't even look at this topic.
I knew no problems would exzist because of franz's car and how close his custom headers are to his knock snesor. and he had no retard on the scaner. Oh well, life goes on and more mods will be made. Now time for tranny upgrades since thats about the only thing limiting our power now.

GTManiac · 09-17-2002, 03:42 AM

yes yes. tranny upgrades *rubs hands together and cackles* MANUAL!

aleroboy · 09-17-2002, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GTManiac
yes yes. tranny upgrades *rubs hands together and cackles* MANUAL!

Manual could be done. But that would be computer upgrades and wiring work.
plus the auto is better with nitrous.

Watch4MyBu · 09-17-2002, 06:38 PM

For the tranny let level ten build one. Ther are the best around

09-24-2002, 11:13 AM

Aleroboy did you go to the track yet and get your runs in?

aleroboy · 09-24-2002, 11:22 AM

not yet

was goign to go to idrc but weather sucked.
I'll try to get to a test and tune soon. but the next one isin't till october

RGAGT · 09-25-2002, 03:52 PM

Ok Gotta Ask this Quesstion Why Do The Headers Run the Front pipe up over and by the Air intake Which would not be a good thing. Why not run it the Way the Factory one isrun

aleroboy · 09-25-2002, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RGAGT
Ok Gotta Ask this Quesstion Why Do The Headers Run the Front pipe up over and by the Air intake Which would not be a good thing. Why not run it the Way the Factory one isrun

Sorry I'm a little lost. Go look at your motor, it's in the same spot as factory.
Also they headers are very well insulated and my intake stays colder with them installed.

Gator · 09-25-2002, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bszopi
Hmm... just thought of something. Anyone ever see John mention anything about issues with the knock sensor? Nope, don't think so. Gee, I guess those GM "engineers" who said that a 3400 will never be able to have headers because it will throw a code for the KS are pretty much, well... wrong!

Hmm... so, all of those people out there (and yes, there were alot of you) who kept bringing up the KS issue because Spoon or Fork, or whichever GM Engineer, said it wouldn't work... what do you have to say now? I guess all that time when I kept saying that you won't have KS issues, I was just talking out my ass because it "hadn't been done on a 3400".

Could this perhaps be the reason it took TOG something like 207 freaking years to bring the product to market! Don't get me wrong I am glad to see the headers are working without problems and show some sweet gains in the HP and TQ depts....I just don't understand what took so damn long to get them produced.

Richard
"Gator"

Schweppe23 · 10-05-2002, 10:17 AM

I am not sure if this was discussed already but i have a question, what are the benefits of the titanium ceramic coated headers over the nickel coated headers and is it worth the extra money.
Thank You

Pat Lavanty

AaronGTR · 10-05-2002, 02:06 PM

I've got a question. I thought I saw a thread somewhere with a boost brother who got the headers, but I can't find it. Anyone know how that turned out. Did they fit? Did they make a big difference in power?

Also, has anyone heard about the S&S headers yet? Last I heard they were supposed to be ready to ship on 9/30/02.

bszopi · 10-05-2002, 04:20 PM

GPXSS talked to S&S on Thursday and they said 3 weeks....

Vegeta · 10-06-2002, 07:44 AM

I doubt they took that long because of the knock sensor. I mean, franz didn't do any testing on his headers to make sure the knock sensor wasn't an issue. Sure, the knock sensor probably picks up his header being so close...but the frequency its picking up is filtered out and not declared knock anyway.

aleroboy · 10-06-2002, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vegeta
I doubt they took that long because of the knock sensor. I mean, franz didn't do any testing on his headers to make sure the knock sensor wasn't an issue. Sure, the knock sensor probably picks up his header being so close...but the frequency its picking up is filtered out and not declared knock anyway.

Yea I know he had a scan tool on it and wasn't getting any more knock retard with or without headers. and his headers came real close to his knock sensor.

09-16-2002, 08:53 PM	#166
Vegeta WOT-Tech AKA: Ben Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indiana Age: 42 Posts: 1,089 Vehicle: 1999 Alero	I completely forgot about that one. Of course I dont listen to those guys anyway. __________________ Ben Wide Open Throttle Technologies 60DegreeV6.com

10-05-2002, 10:17 AM	#176
Schweppe23 GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Age: 41 Posts: 1,549 Vehicle: Pontiac	I am not sure if this was discussed already but i have a question, what are the benefits of the titanium ceramic coated headers over the nickel coated headers and is it worth the extra money. Thank You Pat Lavanty __________________ First 99+ GAGT to run 14s First E/M (only) GA to run 13s First turbo'D GAGT to run 12s 11's coming soon

10-05-2002, 02:06 PM	#177
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	I've got a question. I thought I saw a thread somewhere with a boost brother who got the headers, but I can't find it. Anyone know how that turned out. Did they fit? Did they make a big difference in power? Also, has anyone heard about the S&S headers yet? Last I heard they were supposed to be ready to ship on 9/30/02. __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

10-06-2002, 07:44 AM	#179
Vegeta WOT-Tech AKA: Ben Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indiana Age: 42 Posts: 1,089 Vehicle: 1999 Alero	I doubt they took that long because of the knock sensor. I mean, franz didn't do any testing on his headers to make sure the knock sensor wasn't an issue. Sure, the knock sensor probably picks up his header being so close...but the frequency its picking up is filtered out and not declared knock anyway. __________________ Ben Wide Open Throttle Technologies 60DegreeV6.com

09-16-2002, 06:18 PM	#161
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	The 2 problems I had were with the stock exhaust gaskets and the o2 extension. both of which TOG is working out. 99-200 use one type of plug and the 01 02 use a different type. The original car used was a 99 or 00 so the harness didn't work right on my 01. but now TOG has both styles. also the exhaust manifold gaskets had to be modded to fit. but now all the headers come with a set of new gaskets that are met for the headers. Also it threw a code about the cat, but after clearing that code it never came back. And just this saturday we had the tech 2 on it and had no codes about anything.

09-16-2002, 07:29 PM	#163
Watch4MyBu Lost Malibu Owner Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 493 Vehicle: 1998 Chevy Malibu	Why would you not be able to run a supercharger. It doesn't fit to the exhaust at all. I want the rsm supercharger as well as the headers. Will the drive shaft of the vortech supercharger interfere with the headers

09-16-2002, 07:30 PM	#164
RGAGT GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calgary/Alberta Age: 51 Posts: 151	good to know Aleroboy, I was wondering also why by the pic anyways looks like the header on the Front Runs on top of the motor past the intake to the back i could be wrong If this is so Why could they not just have it the Same Route as the Factory

09-16-2002, 08:52 PM	#165
bszopi User account under probation AKA: Brad Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rogers, AR Age: 46 Posts: 1,391 Vehicle: 1989 Ford Mustang	Hmm... just thought of something. Anyone ever see John mention anything about issues with the knock sensor? Nope, don't think so. Gee, I guess those GM "engineers" who said that a 3400 will never be able to have headers because it will throw a code for the KS are pretty much, well... wrong! Hmm... so, all of those people out there (and yes, there were alot of you) who kept bringing up the KS issue because Spoon or Fork, or whichever GM Engineer, said it wouldn't work... what do you have to say now? I guess all that time when I kept saying that you won't have KS issues, I was just talking out my ass because it "hadn't been done on a 3400".

09-16-2002, 09:04 PM	#167
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	Yea I was looking forwad to proving him wrong. And now he won't even look at this topic. I knew no problems would exzist because of franz's car and how close his custom headers are to his knock snesor. and he had no retard on the scaner. Oh well, life goes on and more mods will be made. Now time for tranny upgrades since thats about the only thing limiting our power now.

09-17-2002, 03:42 AM	#168
GTManiac GDC is here Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sterling Heights, MI Age: 40 Posts: 439 Vehicle: Yo	yes yes. tranny upgrades rubs hands together and cackles MANUAL!

09-17-2002, 06:38 PM	#170
Watch4MyBu Lost Malibu Owner Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 493 Vehicle: 1998 Chevy Malibu	For the tranny let level ten build one. Ther are the best around

09-24-2002, 11:13 AM	#171
PULSAR16 Guest Posts: n/a	Aleroboy did you go to the track yet and get your runs in?

09-24-2002, 11:22 AM	#172
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	not yet was goign to go to idrc but weather sucked. I'll try to get to a test and tune soon. but the next one isin't till october

09-25-2002, 03:52 PM	#173
RGAGT GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calgary/Alberta Age: 51 Posts: 151	Ok Gotta Ask this Quesstion Why Do The Headers Run the Front pipe up over and by the Air intake Which would not be a good thing. Why not run it the Way the Factory one isrun

10-05-2002, 04:20 PM	#178
bszopi User account under probation AKA: Brad Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rogers, AR Age: 46 Posts: 1,391 Vehicle: 1989 Ford Mustang	GPXSS talked to S&S on Thursday and they said 3 weeks....