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Old 12-11-2011, 11:17 AM   #141
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Well I'll watch the thread and see how long it takes you to get running again!
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Old 12-11-2011, 06:24 PM   #142
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Sorry I don't follow your personal life!

I've pulled engines from N-Bodies in less than 3 hours on flat ground. I'm sure you could do better than me since you are just a better mechanic. You just need to source a cherry picker (many tool rental places around here deliver and pick up tools for cheap!)

Also, if you did a 3500 swap you wouldn't need a ring compressor.


You don't have to follow my personal life.... I've posted EVERYTHING about the circumstances in the last couple pages of this thread... if you'd been paying attention at all...

And there is only one tool rental place around me that has a hoist and they don't deliver. Plus, still no garage to work in... DUH! And I DON'T WANT a 3500 so just shut up about it already! There are no cheap low miles ones near me, and anything else is not going to be in as good a shape as my engine with a fresh bore and hone and brand new pistons and rings. All I need is a new rod bearing and it should be fine, but we'll see.
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Old 12-11-2011, 06:27 PM   #143
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>That FEEL when LX9 swaps are indifferent to a built LA1.
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:56 PM   #144
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You don't have to follow my personal life.... I've posted EVERYTHING about the circumstances in the last couple pages of this thread... if you'd been paying attention at all...

And there is only one tool rental place around me that has a hoist and they don't deliver. Plus, still no garage to work in... DUH! And I DON'T WANT a 3500 so just shut up about it already! There are no cheap low miles ones near me, and anything else is not going to be in as good a shape as my engine with a fresh bore and hone and brand new pistons and rings. All I need is a new rod bearing and it should be fine, but we'll see.
Good luck, just looking out for you.

Don't forget the plastigauge this time
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Good luck, just looking out for you.

Don't forget the plastigauge this time


Oh GOD.... don't start trying to give me technical advice when you don't even know wtf you are talking about.
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Old 12-12-2011, 04:39 PM   #146
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Oh GOD.... don't start trying to give me technical advice when you don't even know wtf you are talking about.
Aaron, you need to chill bro.

Trolled, you have been.
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:30 PM   #147
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I assembled the engine. I have no idea why it did this though since I didn't have any crank work or rod modifications done, and I used stock size replacement bearings. Only thing I can think is that the tolerance on one of the bearings was just off somehow, or it was caused by detonation... although it never ate a rod bearing before when it would see minor KR.
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Oh GOD.... don't start trying to give me technical advice when you don't even know wtf you are talking about.
>Plastigauge is a measuring tool used for measuring bearing clearances, especially on engines.


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Old 12-12-2011, 10:54 PM   #148
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LRN2GREENTEXT, n00b.

>Implying you'll win against a mod.

Dude, I may fock with people on here, but d!cking with staff never ends well.
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Old 12-13-2011, 12:22 AM   #149
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LRN2GREENTEXT, n00b.

>Implying you'll win against a mod.

Dude, I may fock with people on here, but d!cking with staff never ends well.
We aren't totally on 4chan.

I respect Aaron, we just have different ideas on what should be done to the car...almost 100% different...
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No, it isn't 4chan. But you are irritating the fock out of Aaron.
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:04 AM   #151
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Lol...u have a different opinion of what should be done with THE car...didnt you mean HIS car?
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Old 12-13-2011, 01:23 PM   #152
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Lol...u have a different opinion of what should be done with THE car...didnt you mean HIS car?
The platform and how the idea of modifying them has changed.
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Old 12-13-2011, 05:59 PM   #153
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>Plastigauge is a measuring tool used for measuring bearing clearances, especially on engines.




I know what plastigauge is what it's used for you twit.


What you don't know is that it's not the preferred method for measuring bearing clearances. It gives you a direct measurement of clearance, but does not allow you to measure bearing run-out (changes in clearance around all sides of the bearing).

The factory manual talks about the plastigauge method, but says the preferred method is to measure the crankshaft bearing journals and the inside of the bearings and compute the clearance.

That's what I did using my dial caliper gauge. That only lets me take measurements at the edge of the bearings though and not across the face. I was told by several sources that would be sufficient to check clearance since there was no damage to the crank or block and no machine work done, and I was using stock size replacement bearings. I would need a dial bore gauge to check the crank mains and the rod ends for taper or out of round, and to check the bearing run out across the face. I would also need a micrometer caliper to get any more accurate on the measuring of the crank journals. Both of those are expensive tools I don't have. That's why I plan on having the engine shop do the work this time and reassemble, since they have those tools and should be able to make sure there are no more surprises.

Even still, at this point there is no knowing if the bearing failed because of a clearance problem or something else altogether. If it was a clearance problem, I would think it would have started knock well before it got to 2,400 miles.
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Old 12-13-2011, 06:56 PM   #154
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It just seems like you did something wrong.

I rebuilt my LX9 with new GM bearings and I've got about 7k miles on it (DD) now and she runs just fine...
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It just seems like you did something wrong.

I rebuilt my LX9 with new GM bearings and I've got about 7k miles on it (DD) now and she runs just fine...

You also didn't replace a rod or do any other machine work, and you aren't running 10psi of boost.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:38 PM   #156
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You also didn't replace a rod or do any other machine work, and you aren't running 10psi of boost.
I had the crank snout machined (I know this has nothing to deal with the rods).

You didn't have any machine work done to the crank did you?
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No, but the block got bored and honed, so it did get work done. And cam bearings were replaced. And I had to replace the one bent rod, so it had a different rod in #2. Basically it was much more involved than what you did, so many different factors could be affecting things.
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Have you found out what cylinder the problem is on yet?
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I haven't driven the car for about two weeks and haven't had any time to go outside and mess with it. We've been working overtime at work. Maybe tomorrow I'll go out and start it and pull the plug wires one at a time and see if the noise goes away. Could be tough since I can only actually hear it above 2k rpm, so I'd have to try and hold the throttle linkage or jam it open with something while I pull the wires....
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Tried the spark plug thing today. It's a no go. Maybe that trick works on older cars with distributors? They only get one spark for each contact point. We have a "waste spark" system though were each coil fires two cylinders at the same time twice per cycle, so even if you pull one plug, the coil is still firing. It shocked the sh!t outta me! Pulled one plug wire at the coil and got zapped multiple times and even once I pulled the wire far enough away from the post I could see spark trails going down the outside of the coil... probably grounding out to something on the engine.

I thought maybe I was resting my arm on something metal and grounding myself, so I tried it again being careful not to touch the car. Still got zapped, and I could see the sparks jumping across posts to other plug wires and the ICM mounting bracket! So I decided the hell with that! It obviously wasn't working, and I didn't want to risk frying my ignition module or something else and having to spend even more money replacing parts for no reason. So it looks like I won't know what cylinder it is until the engine gets pulled.
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