Post a pic of your car as it sits currently

[bricooper78]

Bewbz

[TDavis]

Originally Posted by TDavis

3k HIDs for fogs. Little to no glare, no glare IMO from looking at it straight on. Nonetheless I love them.

Pictures don't do them justice like IRL.

Just to keep it on topic

[DrFabulous]

Originally Posted by TDavis

3k HIDs for fogs. Little to no glare, no glare IMO from looking at it straight on. Nonetheless I love them.

Pictures don't do them justice like IRL.

Any pictures of it facing a wall? I'm guessing there's a lot more glare than you might imagine.... I wouldn't drive around with those on unless there wasn't any traffic.

[TDavis]

Originally Posted by DrFabulous

Any pictures of it facing a wall? I'm guessing there's a lot more glare than you might imagine.... I wouldn't drive around with those on unless there wasn't any traffic.

Trust me. I drove my moms car passed my car when my dad was driving my car and its surprisingly not that bad at all. Also, my dad got in his truck snd said they didnt blind him.

Regardless, like the post i made on GAOC. HIDs dont blind u THAT bad until you look directly at them, which if u do that, its ur own fault. As long as u keep ur eyes on the road ahead of u you're fine, from my experience going head on seeing HIDs.

From the 2 hours of driving with them at night i wasnt flashed once.

[3800L67GAM]

Originally Posted by [ChaosweaveR]

From the most recent wash:

What kind of tires are those?

[Shade2012]

Originally Posted by 3800L67GAM

What kind of tires are those?

Black ones.

[geldartb]

Originally Posted by TDavis

Also, my dad got in his truck snd said they didnt blind him.

no crap sherlock since the truck sits higher than a car.

Originally Posted by TDavis

Regardless, like the post i made on GAOC. HIDs dont blind u THAT bad until you look directly at them, which if u do that, its ur own fault. As long as u keep ur eyes on the road ahead of u you're fine, from my experience going head on seeing HIDs.

your argument is invalid due to the fact that it's BS

[DrFabulous]

Originally Posted by TDavis

Trust me. I drove my moms car passed my car when my dad was driving my car and its surprisingly not that bad at all. Also, my dad got in his truck snd said they didnt blind him.

Regardless, like the post i made on GAOC. HIDs dont blind u THAT bad until you look directly at them, which if u do that, its ur own fault. As long as u keep ur eyes on the road ahead of u you're fine, from my experience going head on seeing HIDs.

From the 2 hours of driving with them at night i wasnt flashed once.

I disagree completely. HIDs are designed to be used in projectors made specifically for that type of bulb. There needs to be a sharp cutoff.

And not blinding "THAT bad"? ANY amount is ridiculously dangerous. All it takes is one second for someone driving towards you to be blinded, and someone could be killed. If it's something you ONLY use on empty roads (think- high beams), that's one thing. If they're on while you're around other cars, it is unsafe.

I don't understand how people justify putting HID's into non-projector housings... it's basically saying that having additional light output from your car (GA's are not that bad stock) is more important than the saftey of other drivers.

There's a reason it's illegal.



But, I digress. Back to the thread.

[3800L67GAM]

Originally Posted by Shade2012

Black ones.

What brand smart a!s!s?

[Shade2012]

Originally Posted by 3800L67GAM

What brand smart a!s!s?

Crap, this isnt the random thoughts thread...

Before tinted tails, new suspension and other random mods.

[geldartb]

pretty much how it will sit for awhile..

[[ChaosweaveR]]

Originally Posted by 3800L67GAM

What kind of tires are those?

[TDavis]

Originally Posted by geldartb

no crap sherlock since the truck sits higher than a car.


your argument is invalid due to the fact that it's BS

Lol I would think the "glare" people talk about would be far up enough to blind truck drivers too. Guess thats BS too .

Originally Posted by DrFabulous

I disagree completely. HIDs are designed to be used in projectors made specifically for that type of bulb. There needs to be a sharp cutoff.

And not blinding "THAT bad"? ANY amount is ridiculously dangerous. All it takes is one second for someone driving towards you to be blinded, and someone could be killed. If it's something you ONLY use on empty roads (think- high beams), that's one thing. If they're on while you're around other cars, it is unsafe.

I don't understand how people justify putting HID's into non-projector housings... it's basically saying that having additional light output from your car (GA's are not that bad stock) is more important than the saftey of other drivers.

There's a reason it's illegal.



But, I digress. Back to the thread.

There's a reason tint is illegal too but people still do it.

Nonetheless doesn't blind me when I've seen them myself from another oncoming car.

Here's my post from GAOC. In the end, people will do it regardless, flame them or not. Deal with it or take my advice and just don't look straight at the dam lights. Be happy that I don't plan on getting HIDs in my headlights. Like I said, that photo doesn't do them justice, the photo is misleading in the sense of the "glare," which there is close to none, if it where a % I would say 5%-10% of glare compared to others that are in headlights that have much more, but I guess seeing it with my own young eyes makes me a liar .

Originally Posted by TDavis

Prepare to be ripped a new one for saying that your glare isn't completely blinding drivers in front of you with a 35w kit .

In all seriousness though. I've concluded, from my experience with going head-on with HIDs in reflector housings at night, that it doesn't blind you THAT much unless you look directly at it and if you do that its your own fault because you shouldn't even look at a car with regular bulbs directly, it gives you that "sun spot" on your eyes for a while. I know people will say its the person who put HID in their reflector housings fault to begin with but you know where I'm getting at.

I don't know if its my young eyes or not but they don't blind as badly as most think, as long as you don't look directly at them you can still see the road in front of you. But all reflector housings are different, some put off more glare then others, I'm specifically referring to an RSX I've seen around here with 6ks in his heads and 3ks in his fogs. Those in particular are not that bad from my experience, haven't noticed any others that I thought where completely repulsive.

But as most, elitists will think the critical and/or literal way and say that even if you don't look into oncoming HIDs, it will put more strain on your eyes then halogen bulbs, even when not looking directly at them.

My point is, if you don't look directly at the car coming towards you, you will still be able to drive safely and see the road ahead of you. I believe there is a certain distance one can look at a car with HIDs before the "glare" starts to strain your eyes. I'm by no means going against a retrofit, but people who don't have the time nor money to do that will settle for different outcomes. Plus, you're never going to completely eliminate reflector housings with HIDs. It's like illegal window tint, most won't care how dark it is or what you think. Bad comparison since window tint doesn't really bother anyone but the police but you get the gist.

Some people say if you aim your headlights correctly after you install the HIDs it will be better and/or help a little bit to reduce glare. I know most people will say that bullsht but idk since I've never personally dealt with HIDs in my car.

[[ChaosweaveR]]

When I had HIDs, they were 35W in my black housings @6000K. I had people drive my car to see how bad the glare was, inside and outside of other cars. It wasn't bad, but that's because of the headlights I had, coupled with a less intense wattage, glare was minimum, and even then, wasn't distracting. If the headlights were normal crystal style, you can bet glare would be worse with the increased reflectivity from the housing itself.

[DrFabulous]

Originally Posted by TDavis

Lol I would think the "glare" people talk about would be far up enough to blind truck drivers too. Guess thats BS too .



There's a reason tint is illegal too but people still do it.

Nonetheless doesn't blind me when I've seen them myself from another oncoming car.

Here's my post from GAOC. In the end, people will do it regardless, flame them or not. Deal with it or take my advice and just don't look straight at the dam lights. Be happy that I don't plan on getting HIDs in my headlights. Like I said, that photo doesn't do them justice, the photo is misleading in the sense of the "glare," which there is close to none, if it where a % I would say 5%-10% of glare compared to others that are in headlights that have much more, but I guess seeing it with my own young eyes makes me a liar .

Window tint does not affect the safety of other drivers, not sure why you think they are comparable.

It's not flaming- it’s trying to correct something that is dangerous, and many people don't seem to realize just how bad it can be for other drivers. And your advice to "don't look at the lights".... where exactly should someone look when driving down the road? If two cars are going opposite directions down a two-way road, they can't exactly look away from the road in front of them just because the other cars' lights are shining in their eyes.

If that picture is "misleading", then by all means, take a picture up against a wall and prove that it doesn't shine into the eyes of oncoming drivers.

Your "young" eyes give you better judgment than others? You're assuming that I never experimented with HIDs in a GA... which is, of course, incorrect. I tried 6ks in the factory housings, in black housings, and in projector housings... the projectors made a huge difference (though not perfect since they were technically halogen projectors), but I didn't like the look, so I went back to my black housings and halogen bulbs.

I realize that people are going to do it anyways, just as there are people who drink and drive, or drive 100+mph, or don't wear a seatbelt. However, I refuse to just sit silently while people slap HID's in every light they have on their car. It is illegal, it is dangerous, and it is nothing but a cheap way of modding your car. If you can't do it correctly, then don't do it at all.

[TDavis]

Originally Posted by DrFabulous

Window tint does not affect the safety of other drivers, not sure why you think they are comparable.

It's not flaming- it’s trying to correct something that is dangerous, and many people don't seem to realize just how bad it can be for other drivers. And your advice to "don't look at the lights".... where exactly should someone look when driving down the road? If two cars are going opposite directions down a two-way road, they can't exactly look away from the road in front of them just because the other cars' lights are shining in their eyes.

If that picture is "misleading", then by all means, take a picture up against a wall and prove that it doesn't shine into the eyes of oncoming drivers.

Your "young" eyes give you better judgment than others? You're assuming that I never experimented with HIDs in a GA... which is, of course, incorrect. I tried 6ks in the factory housings, in black housings, and in projector housings... the projectors made a huge difference (though not perfect since they were technically halogen projectors), but I didn't like the look, so I went back to my black housings and halogen bulbs.

I realize that people are going to do it anyways, just as there are people who drink and drive, or drive 100+mph, or don't wear a seatbelt. However, I refuse to just sit silently while people slap HID's in every light they have on their car. It is illegal, it is dangerous, and it is nothing but a cheap way of modding your car. If you can't do it correctly, then don't do it at all.

Window tint can harm police officers seeing as they don't know if the guy in that car has a gun or not when hes walking up to the car after a pull over.

Trust me I don't need pictures, I've seen it all and heard it all.

I'm sticking with my halogen bulbs in my headlights and my HID fog lights. Whether or not I have HIDs be happy I don't have some in my headlight also. I've seen people MUCH more deadly trucks with HIDs in their housings then my fogs.

Not trying to compare a car to a truck but the trucks who put HIDs in their fogs and heads and then never re-aim them are the worst out there, I'd talk to them first.

Goes back to the old saying, its my car and in the end I'll do what I want. The illegal part is really irrelevant to me seeing as I've rarely heard of people in Missouri getting pulled over for HIDs. The cops in Missouri care about "illegal" HIDs just as they do illegal tint, which is not much.

I'm keeping them and they're staying how they are. You don't have to deal with seeing me and getting annoyed since I'm in MO so don't worry, disregarding other people with HIDs.

[DrFabulous]

Originally Posted by TDavis

Window tint can harm police officers seeing as they don't know if the guy in that car has a gun or not when hes walking up to the car after a pull over.

Trust me I don't need pictures, I've seen it all and heard it all.

I'm sticking with my halogen bulbs in my headlights and my HID fog lights.

Window tint is an issue for officers, sure. But it does not affect oncoming traffic. If you don't care about legality, fine... but realize that it is illegal because of the safety risk to others on the road.

If you don't want to take pictures showing that there is not glare, that's fine... but don't continue saying that there isn't glare unless you're prepared to prove it. And I'm not picking on you, either... I've been against HIDs in halogen housings on EVERY vehicle for a number of years... it just so happens that this is a Grand Am forum.

Like I said, I probably won't convince anyone to switch, I'm just trying to educate others before they make an ill-informed decision.

I think I'm going to start an HID thread in the "all-show" section, if anyone would like to discuss this further.

[AaronGTR]

Window tint isn't illegal either. Saying that simply makes you sound like a moron.

Window tinting... how dark and which windows... is dictated by state law and varies from state to state. Up in Michigan, you can have the rear window and rear side windows tinted as dark as you want, but the front side windows can only be tinted to 4" down from the top edge. Here in Florida you can tint the entire front side window, but the tint can only be so dark.

It pays to research a topic before commenting on it.

[TDavis]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

Window tint isn't illegal either. Saying that simply makes you sound like a moron.

Window tinting... how dark and which windows... is dictated by state law and varies from state to state. Up in Michigan, you can have the rear window and rear side windows tinted as dark as you want, but the front side windows can only be tinted to 4" down from the top edge. Here in Florida you can tint the entire front side window, but the tint can only be so dark.

It pays to research a topic before commenting on it.

You know the gist of where I was getting at, thats all that matters. Certain darkness' are not legal in some states.

It doesn't pay to be so literal even when you knew what I meant >_>

[bricooper78]

Originally Posted by TDavis

Not trying to compare a car to a truck but the trucks who put HIDs in their fogs and heads and then never re-aim them are the worst out there, I'd talk to them first.

this tells the PD "yes, I know I'm illegal, but I feel that someone else is worse, so my actions are justified."

Ticketed.

(Notice I quoted nothing else, it's because I don't give 2 flying ****s, just be careful saying stuff like that, if it ever comes up. I hang out with a bunch of cops, I know how they turn your words against you )